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July 09, 2011, 12:20:04 AM
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mariocaseman

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According to wikipedia, the top-loader NES is supposed to be region free.  I live in the US and purchased 2 games from the UK - Aladdin and The Lion King.  Neither will play for more than about 30 seconds.  The games are in like new condition if not perfect.  So, is the NES 101 being region-free a myth?

July 09, 2011, 12:22:31 AM
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ugh.  Japanese have 60 pins on their games, while US games have 72 pins.  That is why there is a thing called a 60pin to 72 pin connector.  That "connector" is easier to use on the 'toaster' than the normal NES.  You have been somewhat ill informed.  Only somewhat.  The games are differently pinned.  It's like placing a NES game inside a SNES if they both played the same game.  Bad analogy but still

July 09, 2011, 01:25:11 AM
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Try cleaning the cartridge slot a tad.
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July 09, 2011, 09:17:08 AM
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They are PAL games, they are clean as can be.  I even tried cleaning them.  I can play PAL Saturn games on my TV.  Any other ideas?

July 09, 2011, 09:39:28 AM
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They are PAL games, they are clean as can be.  I even tried cleaning them.  I can play PAL Saturn games on my TV.  Any other ideas?

Buy PAL NES, or do the internationalization to your console or if it can't be done to this model buy the old model and then do the internationalization, or buy one of the clone NES systems.

July 09, 2011, 10:07:24 AM
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the nes 101 is not region free if you use the old style youll have to disable the lockout chiip i did on mine and it works perfect
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July 09, 2011, 10:35:14 AM
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I would never purchase a clone.  The NES-101 doesn't have a lock-out chip, it was never installed in those units...

July 09, 2011, 10:45:03 AM
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The NES-101 doesn't have a lock-out chip, it was never installed in those units...

the nes 101 is not region free

So is it region free or not?

if you use the old style youll have to disable the lockout chiip i did on mine and it works perfect

I have 3 older type NES systems with th e lock-out disabled and I have neve had problems with playing PAL A, PAL B or USA games.
I also have 3 clone systems (Retro Duo) and have never had problems playing any NES or SNES games.

July 09, 2011, 01:53:47 PM
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Looks like its gonna have to be Satoshi Matrix to the rescue  ;D I've been asked these sorts of questions many times so I'll erite up an FAQ for you. This will detail all reliant info so you might already know some of this.

Q: Is the Japanese Famicom region free?

A: Technically, yes. The Famicom (HVC-001) and its many variants including the SHARP Twin and AV Famicom are region free and will play almost every game made worldwide through the use of a pin adapter.

Q: Is the North American or European NES "toaster" region free?

The North American and European Nintendo Entertainment System models NES-001 featured a lockout chip called the NES-10 on the motherboard. The lockout chip was installed to thwart small developers from simply making their own terrible games and flooding the market as had happened with the Atari 2600. A side effect of the lockout chip was region locking. An NES-001 "toaster" can only play games from its own region.

However, you can (and should) disable the pesky little chip by simply cutting pin 4 to rob it of power. This poses no ill effects on the system and allows you to play games from other regions on your NES-001. There are many tutorials on exactly how to do this online, just google "disable NES lockout".

Q: Is the North American NES-101 "NES 2 Toploader" region free?

A: Like the Famicom, technically yes, the NES-101 is region free. Like the Famicoms, the NES-101 does not feature the NES-10 lockout chip. As of 1993, Nintendo of America no longer felt the need to police NES game production, especially since the major unlicensed game developers (tengen, color dreams, camerica) had figured out ways of getting around the NES-10 anyway. The NES-101 will play almost every game made worldwide and almost every Famciom game through the use of a pin adapter.

Q: You said almost every game will play. What do you mean? Which ones won't?

A: Even though the question is about software, this is really a hardware question. PAL NES games are different than US/Japan ones because the hardware was slightly different. Under the hood of the NES, you have the same general chips as the Famicom, meaning the only difference is the pin connectors, shape of the motherboard and shape of the casing. The European NES however was different.
 
The European NES had a slightly slower 1.66Mhz processor to the US/Japan's 1.79Mhz, meaning the Europeans got a system 17% slower than the rest of the world. PAL TV standards were such that the number of pixels on screen was different in PAL land. This meant that automatically North American games could not simply be put on a PAL NES, even without getting into the lockout chip problem. If you try and run the vast majority of North American or Japanese game on a PAL system, the game will not display correctly and will run 17% slower than it should. The reverse is also true - most PAL NES games on an North American system won't display correctly and will run 17% faster than they should.

Therefore, PAL games had to be designed for the hardware they had in mind, with an adjusted clock speed and new aspect ratio. To further complicate matters, games in Europe came in two formats, depending on the country - PAL A and PAL B. PAL A and B aren't compatible with each other, let alone North American NTSC.

So the bottom line is that there are some European NES games that simply won't play on anything but a PAL NES and a PAL TV.

Hope this helps!  ;)
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July 10, 2011, 09:12:24 AM
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I'm not 100% with you there satoshi.

I have quite a lot US NES games and never had a problem playing them on my region free made normal front loading german PAL-NES.

Are you also sure about the PAL-A and B uncompatibility?

Afaik all of these problems are solved when disabling the lockout chip. Only very few games won't work properly then. A few yes but certainly not most.
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July 11, 2011, 10:56:18 AM
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thats what I said tiktektak. Most PAL games will play on an NTSC NES with the lockout chip disabled or on a toploader, but not all. There are issues with certain titles, particularly towards the end of the system's life. The PAL A and B thing was imposed to stop Europeans from buying games from other, neighboring countries. I don't know a heck of a lot about it, but I am aware that for instance, an NES game from Germany won't play on an NES from the UK.
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July 11, 2011, 12:46:51 PM
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From what I read from your last posts last answer it sounded to me as if you were saying that even with the lockout disabled most of the games won't work.

But if you meant most of the games work then yes you are absolutely right. Even PAL A and B is no problem with the chip disabled and it's soooo easy!
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