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May 22, 2011, 02:29:08 AM
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Okay, it seems as if every port of Doom that I've come across has it's own list of pros and cons. For instance, I know the Super Nintendo version has awesome music, but terrible graphics. The 32X version has great graphics, but terrible music. The list goes on and on.

Well, I'm looking to find a definitive port of Doom to add to my collection, and I want to know which one you guys think is the best. (And please don't say PC.)

Thanks in advance.  ;)
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May 22, 2011, 02:39:18 AM
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Ps1 version would get my vote.  Fast, smooth and plays pretty nice.

May 22, 2011, 03:04:01 AM
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Ps1 version would get my vote.  Fast, smooth and plays pretty nice.


Agreed. One of my first ps1 games  ;D. Jaguar is best IMO
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May 22, 2011, 04:42:16 AM
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it's actually the only game i have for Jaguar - but then, i've never even plugged the Jag in - always waiting until i got either theme park or tempest..........

May 22, 2011, 07:42:29 AM
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Ps1 version would get my vote.  Fast, smooth and plays pretty nice.
Agreed. One of my first ps1 games. Jaguar is best IMO

Woah, wait. Are you serious!? I just might get the Jag version of it. It'll give me a reason to give that console some exercise every now and then! :P What makes it better than the PS1 version? The only thing I'm scared of is using the Jag's God-awful controller, but if it works, then I'd definitely give it a shot.

it's actually the only game i have for Jaguar - but then, i've never even plugged the Jag in - always waiting until i got either theme park or tempest..........

I'd be willing to part with my copy of Theme Park, if you want it bad enough. Original box, instructions and all.

Tempest, however, is an entirely different story. Nothing could make me part with that game. OR it's soundtrack. ;D
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May 22, 2011, 09:50:26 AM
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What's wrong with the PC version? (Especially with one of those source ports.)

May 22, 2011, 10:46:50 AM
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What's wrong with the PC version? (Especially with one of those source ports.)

Well, first off, I already have it for PC. Windows 95, of course, but PC nonetheless.

And secondly, and the most important reason, I'm not a PC gamer at all. Keyboard+Mouse is just extremely foreign to me. I'd much rather have a controller of any sort that I can hold in my hands and play that way. It's how I grew up, and it's what I'm comfortable with. Also, there's something that just feels more authentic about playing a game on a television. It's just different, and I like it a lot more.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Diablo and Age of Empires, but those are computer games. Computer games and video games are different things to me, and I don't qualify FPS-type games as computer games. I know keyboards and mice are more accurate for shooting, and all that mess, but it just doesn't feel right to me. Complete matter of opinion. I save point and click games like Diablo, AoE, Myst, Sims, etc. for computers, and anything else for home video game consoles.

That's why not PC... :)
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May 22, 2011, 11:07:37 AM
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I have a controller that plugs into my computer for that reason. :)

May 22, 2011, 01:07:08 PM
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If you want a port of the PC version then I think the best ports are the Xbox versions which were included in the collector's edition of Doom³. This edition includes "The Ultimate Doom" and "Doom II" and two new levels, "Sewers" and "Betray". The standard edition of Doom³- Resurrection of Evil includes "The Ultimate Doom" and "Doom II", as well as Master Levels for Doom II. The Master levels was an expansion pack for Doom II and has 21 extra levels.  The Xbox ports have all the PC levels for both games however, the 8 console-only levels which appeared on the Jaguar, Playstation, Saturn, and 3DO versions are omitted.

The Jaguar version has more levels than the SNES and 32X versions, and as many levels as the 3DO and GBA versions. It features 22 of the PC version's 27 levels, though many of them are simplified, plus 2 new levels (the levels titled "Tower of Babel" and "Hell Keep" are not the same as the PC levels of the same names). But hey have axed three enemies from the game: the Cyberdemon, the Spider Mastermind and the Spectre and I think the Cyberdemon is one of Doom's most iconic enemies.

The PlayStation and Saturn ports feature almost all the levels from the final releases of the PC version, though edited much like the Jaguar and 32X versions, with a few brand new levels designed by the Midway team, plus most of the levels from Doom II. But again they cut an enemy from the game, this time it's the Arch-Vile monster from Doom II, which is a very tough enemy on higher difficulties due to his fire attack and the fact that he resurrects enemies as long as he is alive. Worth noting is that the PS and Saturn ports don't have the Nightmare difficulty setting and they use passwords instead of save games for progression.

The SNES version of Doom features all five PC version levels that were missing from the Jaguar version, but is missing a different set of five levels instead, and like the 32X version, does not have any console-only levels. The levels included resemble the PC levels moreso than other ports. Also like the 32X version, the player's heads-up display doesn't utilize the whole screen, and enemies are only animated from the front, which means that they always face the player. That's quite a big deal because that means that the monsters won't fight each other and focus their attacks on you.


All in all it really comes down to personal preference when you weigh the pros and cons and pick what suits you the most. I am a massive Doom fan, if a console I own has a port of Doom or Wolfenstein then I buy it. Even if it is the exact same version I own for a different console. I just love the game to death :) My personal choice for best port would be the Jaguar version. It plays really well with the controller, so don't be afraid of that, and when you have the overlay for the controller (or know which button is for which weapon) you can pick the weapon you want with just one button instead of repeatedly pressing a button to cycle through them like on the other versions.


What I CAN tell you with absolute certainty is that the 3DO version is the worst port. It runs in a small screen and at a low frame rate, though it includes the option to shrink the screen size even further, which allows the game to run faster.

To sum it all up:

Best port of the PC version: Doom on Xbox (via Doom³ collector's edition or Doom³ - Resurrection of evil)
Best version of the console ports: Atari Jaguar
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May 22, 2011, 01:18:02 PM
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If you want a port of the PC version then I think the best ports are the Xbox versions which were included in the collector's edition of Doom³. This edition includes "The Ultimate Doom" and "Doom II" and two new levels, "Sewers" and "Betray". The standard edition of Doom³- Resurrection of Evil includes "The Ultimate Doom" and "Doom II", as well as Master Levels for Doom II. The Master levels was an expansion pack for Doom II and has 21 extra levels.  The Xbox ports have all the PC levels for both games however, the 8 console-only levels which appeared on the Jaguar, Playstation, Saturn, and 3DO versions are omitted.

Did understand this part correctly:

Collector's edition of Doom³ includes 2 extra levels, but Resurrection of Evil doesn't.

And Resurrection of Evil includes Master Levels for Doom II, but Collector's edition of Doom³ doesn't

So to get all levels both games must be bought.

May 22, 2011, 01:34:00 PM
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No, sorry, maybe I didn't make that point clear.

To get all levels you just have to buy Doom³ - Resurrection of Evil.

Sewers is a secret level in the Xbox version of Ultimate Doom
Betray is a secret level in the Xbox version of Doom II

I just listed them by name because these two levels are exclusive to the Xbox versions and only available in these versions, they are not even in the Xbox360 versions of Doom and Doom II.

I mentioned the collector's edition and "Resurrection of Evil" because if SonicAdvDX wants to get the Xbox ports he knows what he'll get with each version.

The collectors edition is the full version of Doom³, came in a nice tin case and had Ultimate Doom and Doom II as a bonus.
Resurrection of Evil is only an expansion pack of Doom³, but playable as a stand alone version. Maybe because of the lack of content they added the ports from the collector's edition as a bonus and went one step further and also inluded the master levels for Doom II.
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May 22, 2011, 02:05:00 PM
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Anyone wanna play some PC DooM?  It's been years...

Heh... reinstalling DooM...

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DOOM(tm) Collector's Edition
Minimum System Requirements*

·486 processor operating at a minimum of 50Mhz
 or any Pentium(r) / Athlon(r) processors

·8 MB of RAM(64MB for Windows XP, 128MB recommended)
·Microsoft(r) Windows(r) 95/98/ME/2000/XP Operating System
·100% Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP-compatible
 computer system (including compatible
 32-bit drivers for CD-ROM, video card,
 sound card and input devices)
·140 MB of uncompressed hard-drive space
 (plus 100 MB for the Windows swap file)
·Quad-speed CD-ROM drive
 (600k/sec sustained transfer rate)
·DirectX(r) 8.0a (included)
·100% Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP-compatible
 true 16-bit sound card and drivers
·100% Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP-compatible mouse
 and driver
·100% Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP-compatible keyboard

Multiplayer Minimum System Requirement:

·Modem (TCP/IP and IPX) and
 LAN (TCP/IP and IPX) play supported.
 
Modem play requires
·100% Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP-compatible
 9600 Kbps (or faster) modem. 
 LAN play requires
·100% Windows 95/98/ME/2000/XP-compatible
 network interface card and drivers.

*NOTE: In addition to the Minimum System Requirements
for the DOOM Collector's Edition,
it is required that your system meets
Microsoft’s requirements for your chosen operating system.

And this is the rockin' collector's edition (I *think* the last retail release of the PC version)...
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May 22, 2011, 02:14:54 PM
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No, sorry, maybe I didn't make that point clear.

To get all levels you just have to buy Doom³ - Resurrection of Evil.

Sewers is a secret level in the Xbox version of Ultimate Doom
Betray is a secret level in the Xbox version of Doom II

I just listed them by name because these two levels are exclusive to the Xbox versions and only available in these versions, they are not even in the Xbox360 versions of Doom and Doom II.

I mentioned the collector's edition and "Resurrection of Evil" because if SonicAdvDX wants to get the Xbox ports he knows what he'll get with each version.

The collectors edition is the full version of Doom³, came in a nice tin case and had Ultimate Doom and Doom II as a bonus.
Resurrection of Evil is only an expansion pack of Doom³, but playable as a stand alone version. Maybe because of the lack of content they added the ports from the collector's edition as a bonus and went one step further and also inluded the master levels for Doom II.

OK, that's a relief, then I only have to buy multiple copies of resurrection of evil.

I have one copy CE of Doom 3

May 22, 2011, 08:56:08 PM
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I have both the 32X and Saturn versions.  In all honesty, if I recall correctly, the 32X is better...

May 22, 2011, 11:48:07 PM
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But they have axed three enemies from the game: the Cyberdemon, the Spider Mastermind and the Spectre and I think the Cyberdemon is one of Doom's most iconic enemies. [...] Worth noting is that the PS and Saturn ports don't have the Nightmare difficulty setting and they use passwords instead of save games for progression. [...] Also like the 32X version, the player's heads-up display doesn't utilize the whole screen, and enemies are only animated from the front, which means that they always face the player. That's quite a big deal because that means that the monsters won't fight each other and focus their attacks on you.

All of those are huge deal-breakers for me. I hate passwords, I hate two-dimensional enemy sprites always facing me, I always try to get good enough at a game to play the hardest difficulty setting, and Nightmare mode was a goal I set for myself years ago, and I would absolutely miss the Cyberdemon, the Spider Mastermind and the Spectre.

Seriously, though, Kaiser, thank you for that response, that was easily the ultimate answer I could have gotten on this forum. ;D I think I'll get the regular edition of Doom³ and also get Resurrection of Evil. I remember playing through Doom³ a long time ago and I REALLY enjoyed it, so I definitely want that standalone game. Plus, I'm not a huge fan of Collector's Editions of games that come in metal cases because they look so crazy when lined up on a shelf with all my other games. They kinda stand out, and I try to go for uniformity. Also, I've never played Resurrection of Evil, plus it comes with all the levels I need! So, that's why I'll get both.

Thanks a lot for the very helpful response, my man! ;)

EDIT: One more question, do both Doom³'s play on 360's? I ask, because the 360 controller is hands-down my favorite FPS controller. The dual-stick placement, and all that; everything about it just screams FPS to me, and I love it. :P

RE-EDIT: Why waste someone's time and ask a question you could just Google? According to Wikipedia, they all work just fine in a 360, so in closing, thanks a lot for your help, Kaiser. :D
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