Re-Scan of N64 Covers

[Arseen]

I'm with ShootHimNow on this honestly.

The way I'm reading this is:
Upload a cover with a blurry front logo: "Sorry, we have strict quality standards and this won't pass"
Talk about re-scanning covers which no longer meet the site's quality standards: "You jerk you're being disrespectful"

Everything I've seen in these forums about this site has been about its quality standards. I don't think what ShootHimNow was asking is at all out of line or even remotely disrespectful. If anything I'd say TheValeman was being disrespectful.

I feel kinda bad for ShootHimNow right now, his time on this forum hasn't been totally pleasant and it's not really any fault of his own. First he gets accused of being a pirate and now he's getting griped out by an admin for asking us to help up the quality standards of a few games in our NTSC n64 collection, a request that's perfectly in-line with the site's goals.

You asshole, how dare you take side of one person and mock the other.

 

No, honestly I agree with you. What ShootHimNow asked is reasonable, as some covers are not top quality.

I was at work, laughing hard while watching this "conversation" progressed.

Please Valeman, if someone politely asks (as he did) that the existing covers that are low quality to be updated, don't take it as an insult.

It is much appreciated that you and others have spend money and provided scans for the site, but some of the covers were not done as well as they could have been done.

[KaiserWAVE]

I think this is getting out of hand

It's true, as this site progressed the quality standards were raised and some of the covers that made it to the site would have been rejected or would have needed additional work to pass now. So asking for rescans if available is understandable.

But you have to understand where TheValeman is coming from. He did the majority of the N64 covers we have. The vast majority that is! He spent A LOT of money to get the boxes. In a lot of cases he bought them solely for the purpose of making covers. He didn't even own some of the games he bought boxes for or bought boxed games that he didn't want at all. All that just to contribute to the project. Then he cleaned the scans and made covers for them. So just think of the time and money(!) he spent to get us to where we are right now.

If you take this into consideration, it's understandable why he felt a bit snubbed, don't you think?

So why don't we all take a step back, take a deep breath and start from scratch?

If anyone has N64 scans and you think they'll result in a better cover than what we have, then please upload them the the raw scans or send them ShootHimNow's way.

[wshbrngr]

I totally agree,
If anyone of you have better covers than the ones we were able to purchase/get our hands on back in the day, I say go for it.
If you don't, then feel free to get your photoshop out and correct any defects on the covers.

I believe you could remove any stickers and recreate the cover with some effort, you could also remove any black marks and reconstruct the barcodes.
You could even cut and paste a clean barcode from a good cover, but then someone would notice that the barcode was for a different game and complain about that. (Already seen that in the past).

The beauty of this site is you can customize the covers anyway you like, they are all scanned at 300dpi.

Believe it or not, the quality standards have not changed much since we started this project. The problem is we used the best available boxes we could, get our hands on.
Several covers were deleted when better boxes and scans became available. (ask me how I know this and how much it cost me )
and nothing says that cannot happen in the future as well.

When you say re-scan the covers, surely you do not mean to re-scan our boxes again, because I still have all my original scans (600dpi). If the boxes we originally used could have been scanned better, we would have done it at the time. (we had people rescan covers several times)

What you are really saying is - hey, go get different boxes and create new scans.
Absolutely nothing here stops you from getting new/better scans, creating covers and posting them.
We did not scan the flaps since we did not need them for the way we decided to create the covers, I will be more than happy to scan the flaps of any boxes I have that you want when I get home. (Working out of town right now)

Couple of things.
1. Believe it or not, not every box sold for the N64 has retained the same color pigment over the years, so, if some appear a to be a bit darker than others well, that is how they looked when we scanned them. I am not even sure every manufacturer used exactly the same pigment originally. I have several original boxes and they do not match 100% with each other.
Some of these boxes are about as collectible as the games, and they can get expensive - especially to just buy them, scan them and toss them.

2. Vertical vs. Horizontal? There was a LOT of discussion early on as to how we were going to scan/make the covers.
The idea was to basically get them to look close to having the original boxes sitting on a shelf. Sorry if that looks like crap to some, but that is what we decided to do.

Again, I am not complaining or flaming, I agree that not every cover is 100% perfect, but we created what we could with what we had.
Some (a lot) of the people that provided the original scans are no longer here.

I agree with KaiserWAVE, please upload better scans.

[BadChad]

I have a few N64 boxes I can scan when I have time.

- Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
- Mischeif Makers
- Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
- Worms Armageddon

[tiktektak]

Some people here should really have a little more respect towards people who have been here so much longer and did so much more for the coverproject than they have been or will ever do!

I'm all for replacing lower quality scans with higerh qual ones BUT still show some respect and appreciation for so much work and so much time some people put in this!

If not then get the fuck out!

[ShoothimNow]

I showed respect in my first post.  Asking for new scans for-

1) To continue Shenske's Minicases
2) Improve Quality on the site
3) To Provide -better- images for future references (Minicases, vertical covers, Virtual console cases, etc)

How about showing me a little goddamn respect when I say that I appreciate everything you guys do here.  I respect that you have a website that has far more better quality boxes than ANYWHERE else on the web.  If you can't APPRECIATE that one of your own contributors/uploaders has an interest in updating what once was old can now be new, then bye.  Im gone.  Get your own damn raws, ill keep my 94 more I was planning on uploading.

[TheValeman]

I guess I should've just shut my mouth the way this thing has spiralled out of control.

ShoothimNow. Nothing I said was intended to stop people contributing new covers. I am all for getting the best available and if that means dumping existing covers etc then I am/always have been totally cool with it.

wshbrngr is right .... we worked with what we had/were able to obtain at the time. I think I alluded to that as well somewhere in my comments.

Again ... this site has been based around individuals contributing ... and truthfully there's been bugger all of us re N64 boxes over the years. It's not like anyone has contributed new stuff over the years. Some have, but it hasn't been that much in quantity to be honest. Some of this stuff is incredibly difficult to acquire. Take Battlezone for instance. I purchased two boxes ... the only two to come up on EBAY over a 2 year period. And neither were the best. It's the nature of dealing with Nintendo's whack-a-doodle decision to use cardboard boxes. We simply don't have these problems with PSX or Dreamcast cases etc.

I personally would never say that stuff here is utter crap even if that was the case as it is only as good/bad as the contributors to the site and the availablilty of the items. I guess my coutesy stance differs somewhat from other people. I will take that onboard in future. Everyone needs to stand back and take deep breaths .... this is meant to be a fun place to contribute okay?

[ShoothimNow]

We are not being disrespectful stating that there is a problem with the N64 covers, because, for a majority of them, there is no problem.  However I would like to point out that THERE ARE SOME MINOR FLAWS in the cases.  If you can't again APPRECIATE that the covers you have up (for the few 15/300 that they are, then you are a great admin telling me that I should keep my mouth shut.  I'll suppress any 'rage' from now on and NEVER point out any flaws that are created because we are all so perfect.  

If you can't see that all I asked was for a simple Re-Call in N64 scans for other purposes than MOCKING the uploaded covers already, you are blind.  I can easily fix the cases that are already posted.  However it would take time.  Any uploader knows that and that is why nothing has been fixed yet.  

What is needed with a new scan?  Pretty much... Paste the cover over the old (Many thanks to the covers provided by The Valeman, SMMM, and wishbrngr for the many covers they have uploaded) and crop out the .05% of the new raw to fix the .05% of the old cover.  What is so goddamn hard to grasp about that?  Congradulations on the scans.  I appreciate them.  But I guess I am the only person who see's there are small imperfections that a couple admins could care less about.  Thank you for the covers, they are 95% perfect, but not complete.  I would like to complete them.  Asking for other members to scan some scans.  If you don't want to scan the scans, as I stated earlier, stop flaming my fucking thread

[TheValeman]

I guess you didn't read my comment "Everyone needs to stand back and take deep breaths .... this is meant to be a fun place to contribute okay?" before posting again? Or that maybe I possibly reacted the wrong way hence the "I guess I should've just shut my mouth" comment?

Or that EVERYONE agreed with you that posting new covers was appreciated?

I know perfectly well what is required for cleaning up scans etc so I know the effort involved in doing so. At this point I guess it boils down to whether you are contributing or not? If you are I applaud your efforts ... I honestly do.

If not .... well .... again .... it's your call. No-ne can make anyone do anything they don't want to at the end of the day.

[Arseen]

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKmfkJpt2PM

Now that everyone is happy (admit that video made you at least smirk), let's get back to making great covers we need.

Now no more fighting!!!

Would some one make vertical Euro/black version of Jet Force Gemini.

[ShoothimNow]

I have 50 cases still in the process of scanning.  Meaning I have 16% of N64 cases that this site can use.  At 1000 DPI, it takes a while to scan.  Seeing that I have 50 cases, I am sure that others have cases.  There is no disrespect in asking if others can scan there cases.  I've closed this thread because I don't want to continue with Shenske's Minicases as of right now, I feel completely unappreciated.

All I needed was a few side scans

I printed this and took a picture of it.  Should have just screen shotted



Already have some boxes I was planning on contributing with.  Have created 5 minicases in the time it took me to scan 37 / 50 cases.  Just thought it would be nice to continue Shenske's work as I really REALLY liked his idea.  Thats what this whole site is... Is reacting on Ideas to create something new.

I understand that some don't like Vertical cases, but on the other hand those who don't need to see that there are some who do.  And for these minicases, I would have really liked some spine scans from people.  I know that a majority just hit and run with this site on something they see, I felt it was my turn to contribute.

[KaiserWAVE]

It would be a shame to see this project die. I don't own a N64 anymore and I'm not planning to pick one up again but I was really fond of that minibox idea.

[tiktektak]

Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKmfkJpt2PM

Now that everyone is happy (admit that video made you at least smirk), let's get back to making great covers we need.

This shit almost made me vomit! We had this one on a handy ring tone TV commercial here in austria for months.

[ShoothimNow]

Quality is poo on this picture as I placed 5 covers into one (was a 12MB file, downsized into a 1MB file), but this is what I am working on.  (Thanks goes to Shenske for the original idea)

Again, if you could provide some new scans, it would be very much appreciated.

And yes, my Pokemon Stadium cover has no "INCLUDES TRANSFER PAK".  If wants to do a vertical cover or update the old horizontal cover / Add a new horizontal cover (which I might do later), PM me and ill send a better looking version of it to you.



There are multiple sides of these cases that I cannot find anywhere, if you could upload yours to either here, box.net, rapidshare, megaupload, etc, I would download them in a heartbeat

[TheValeman]

ShoothimNow ..... They look fab BTW.

Seriously, I got rid of the boxes after I scanned them to try and recoup the money I'd spent. If I had known about the mini boxes I would've scanned the whole danged things at the time. Sigh!!!!!

Good luck with the cause. Hopefully people still have their boxes and can contribute.

PS. I THINK those black N64 spines might have come from the PAL boxes when we had front/rears but no spines. That was all we could do at the time.