Author Topic: Univeral Game Cases for the Internationally Impaired.  (Read 8727 times)

February 03, 2007, 07:50:58 AM
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Lish

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The Universal games case, the case that in many ways is the key to this sites growing success; and I am sure that Media Shelving and Shopper Inc. are appreciative of the business this site provides.  Alas, they are in the USA, and through no fault of theirs, obtaining cases from the US is possible but laced with impediments due to the pitfalls of international courier/postage.

I have been doing so research and there are some interesting findings, including accusations of international airfreight cartels, price fixing, and why I think moving to NZ might be a good idea.

So.  I have considered buying 2 cases (200) of these little buggers (aussie slang which does not have it's literal meaning for those in the deep south of the US who are about to have the banning of this site added to the bi-laws of your dry county). Joining two packages with tape to make the following size: 41lbs 10.5"x15.25"x11.25" (Girth is then 43.5 inches.  Girth+length=58.75 inches)

US Postal Service to Australia

Global Express Guaranteed Documented Service   1-3 days      $275.00
Global Express Mail            3-5 days      $202.60+$13.25 for pickup
Airmail Parcel Post             4-10 days   $198.15
Surface Mail               4-6 weeks   $72.10

UPS Worldwide Expedited             7 days      $362.17
FEDEX International Economy         7 days      $387.58
DHL Worldwide Priority            2 days      $415.61

All in all, freight to the land of OZ appears to be astronomical.  Hmmm, could there be anti-competitive behaviour at play.  I can't say, but there are allegations.  The attached was in the paper this week: (The Age, Melbourne, 1 February 2007)

"$200 million class action against Qantas and six other major airlines accused of freight price-fixing......alleges the airlines formed a cartel to fix fuel, security and war-risk surcharges against Australian freight users, who were fleeced an estimated $200 million over seven years."

and it is alleged that this is not unique to Australia:

"German carrier Lufthansa has reached an $85 million out of court settlement in the US, guaranteeing the airline immunity from civil prosecution in that jurisdiction. The remaining claim against the more than 15 other airlines involved in the US lawsuit is estimated at $1 billion. Ms Parker said the Australian international freight market was one fifth the size of the US and losses were estimated at $200,000."

Hmm, one fifth the amount of air freight as the US and only one fifteenth the population.  Economies of scale would suggest (all things being equal and I believe they are) that mailing by air freight from Australia to the USA should be cheaper than from the USA to Australia (as the scale is 3 times...that is every man woman and child sends or receives 3 times as much in Australia as against the US when distributed on a per capita basis so the Aussie end should at least be more efficient).  A quick look and conversion from $US to $AU and it appears that the same service, if sent from australia is about 10% dearer.  Now I have studied economics at a post graduate level.  This one I can't fathom.  Maybe americans get paid much less than Australians or have higher productivity.

HERES THE REAL KILLER, AIR FREIGHT FROM USA TO NEW ZEALAND IS 10% CHEAPER THAN FROM USA TO AUSTRALIA.  WHAT GIVES!  A LORD OF THE RINGS DISCOUNT! IS NZ FIGHTING ALONG SIDE U.S. TROOPS IN AT LEAST TWO OVERSEAS COUNTRIES?-NO! CAN U.S. NUCLEAR WARSHIPS VISIT NEW ZEALAND?-NO!.  I am starting to want to move to NZ.  Cheap second hand cars, no nucs, no drought, plenty of possums (love those little Aussie marsupials - Have two in the gum tree in my back yard) and now this.

Anyway, for a universal case at 0.19 each+shipping via USPS Global Express + Pickup, the total price for 200 is $253.85 or US$1.27 each (which is about AU$1.69 each).  All I can say is that thank god the exchange rate isn't what it was six years ago when I actually had the bad timing of going to the states.  Only US$1 for every AU$2 (now it is AU$1.33 for US$1). For Surface Mail, the cost is $72.10+$38=$110.00 total or US$0.55 per case (AU$0.73).  This is far more resonable.  I would even go as far as to say that Shoppers inc. should add $30 for packaging (tapping the two cases together) and effort (going to the post office and completing those customs forms).  The total cost would then be US$140.00.  Very Reasonable.

So how do we organise a mechanism to have these items easily shipped via surface post?  TikTekTak has been leading the way, but even if he succeeds, I feel that this may not set a precedent that will stand (or be easily repeated) as these large companies weigh the risks of dealing with the public over untracked, lost shipments.

Surely there are people much smarter than me with a solution.  Can anyone who has received a case find any indication of who, or what country, these things are made in?  That might be a good start.
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February 03, 2007, 08:57:09 AM
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I think I have to say, and I do this with tears in my eyes, that even after bugging theshopperinc. for about 1 1/2 month I was not sucessful!!!!
It almost looked like it would work and they allready sent me the estiamted shipping costs with USPS which were really!!!!!!!! reasonable but now no word from them for a week.  :'(
I proposed that I will order even 500 or more cases at once if they ship it oversea to make the deal more attractive but they seem not interested!
Maybe they know that they have a kind of a monopol in international shipping of those cases and just wait that people like me and you say, "Ok I'll pay the shipment because I need my cases soooooo desperate!"
But I say NO WAY!!! If they don't want to make business with me ok f**k you!!
Sooner or later some Ebay guy or maybe another seller will see the market in sending those and other storage solutions worldwide and then we'll get what we need.
You know after all we're talking market economy here....  :)
You've just got to be patient my son...

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February 03, 2007, 10:33:02 AM
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Upon inspection of my box, the info stamped on the sides reads: 
Item #50-755
Clear F/S - Slim Univ.
Combo Game Case
G.W.: 23lbs
N.W.: 21lbs
Meas: 25 1/4 X 15 1/8 X 11

I believe the first case I purchased over a year ago was also clearly marked 'Made in China'  (where else?)

I purchased mine from Mediashelving (both times) so I have no firsthand knowledge of the service from Videoshopper.

I do find it hard to believe that these 2 U.S. companies are the only companies in the world which import these cases for video stores. If there are video rental stores in Austria and Australia I wonder where they get their rental cases?

However, I am from the South, so as Lish pointed out, I may have to consider suggesting to my ISP the banning of this site.


February 03, 2007, 10:59:16 AM
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Just out of curiosity, could someone on this board who lives in the US calculate the cost for the cases if he/or she reships them to Europe? I have the feeling that this would be still cheaper than anything TheVideoShopper offers. This would not be the best solution to this problem because you'd always have to find someone to help you out but at least it is a possibility.

February 03, 2007, 11:12:51 AM
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I allready tried to ask some of austrians video stores....
I went to five different biiiiiiiiiig rental stores in vienna(capital of austria) but they all rather laughed at me....  ;D
They said that I'm searching for things so old the'd be never found in any store in austria because they simply don't have SNES, Mega Drive, ect. games for rental....
Even the companies selling the package stuff to them don't have such cases anymore.... I asked one but not only did he reply that such a case would be useless for them sell he also said that his company would never sell to a private person.... Double f**ked up....

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February 03, 2007, 11:38:35 AM
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Heres another site in the US that sells them:

https://www.specialtystoreservices.com/productchild.aspx?group=7673&img=7673.jpg&category=18

My appologies to everyone who lives in the Southern States.  I have actually been to Alabama (and Kentucky...but I assume thats the start of the mid west?) and thought it was lovely.  Nice people, great country fried chicken.  I was even surprised to find emus at a farm when I was driving around with that silly steering wheel on the wrong side.
No Metroid on N64, What was Nintendo thinking? ;)

February 03, 2007, 11:40:44 AM
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As best as I can figure (again, I am from the South)

These are the rates for 100 cases shipped in the carton received from the distributor, shipped parcel post (economy - 4-6 weeks) - using 23 lbs as a guide (weight shown on carton)
As I stated in an earlier post, My carton UPS label charged Mediashelving for actual weight of 18.8 lbs.
(I have no way here at home to weight this box acurately)

Estimated shipping for 1 carton of 100 cases:

$47.45 to Australia  - has many restrictions, none affect the cases unless they would be considered Seditious
                               (also carton must not be stamped 'Anzac')

$47.45 to New Zealand - many less restrictions than Austrailia - cases are not radioactive.

$37.90 to Austria - few restrictions - cases do not contain any human remains.

$37.90 to Germany - about the same number of restrictions as Austrailia, carton will not have any political
                              or religious notations.

I know the restrictions do not apply here, but it made for interesting reading, and some are confusing.
I am not sure why you cannot mail playing cards to Germany (unless they are completely in the original packaging....) Knowing the Germans, there is probably a damn good reason for this. :)

P.S. any states which fought on the southern side of the war betwitx the states I consider southern.

« Last Edit: February 03, 2007, 11:43:01 AM by wshbrngr »


February 03, 2007, 11:52:43 AM
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Heres another site in the US that sells them:

https://www.specialtystoreservices.com/productchild.aspx?group=7673&img=7673.jpg&category=18

My appologies to everyone who lives in the Southern States.  I have actually been to Alabama (and Kentucky...but I assume thats the start of the mid west?) and thought it was lovely.  Nice people, great country fried chicken.  I was even surprised to find emus at a farm when I was driving around with that silly steering wheel on the wrong side.

Unfortunately it says "NO SLEEVE" at the bottom :( So there's no place for a cover.


$37.90 to Germany - about the same number of restrictions as Austrailia, carton will not have any political
                              or religious notations.

I know the restrictions do not apply here, but it made for interesting reading, and some are confusing.
I am not sure why you cannot mail playing cards to Germany (unless they are completely in the original packaging....) Knowing the Germans, there is probably a damn good reason for this. :)

$37.90 for shipping to Germany? My DVD player had higher shipping costs some time ago and it was shipped within Germany :D For that amount I'd consider being all nice and sweet to a fellow board member to have him/her reship the cases to me :)

Oh, and you'd be surprised, playing cards are a deadly weapon in the hands of a German. That's something your airport security didn't think of... :)

February 03, 2007, 12:08:01 PM
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Hi guys,

Remember, the problem with shipping by USPS is that items do quire often get lost (I have seen news reports of posties houses lined with VCR's and other goods).  Commercial companies won't take the risk.

Also, it takes effort to grab the box, trip down to the post office, wait in line, fill out the customs forms and mail.  The companies prefer to simply have a courier collect daily dispatches.  They prefer UPS etc. because they guarantee delivery and track shipments.  Our 40 bucks or so is possibly 1 millionth of their annual turnover.

Whilest we are happy to accept the risk of loss, they are more reluctant.

With regard to a previous comment about sourcing these items on Australia or Australia minus the "al", these cases are sized for the NTSC SNES soe were not intended for the Australiasian or European Markets (although Europe+australasia is a pretty big market and maybe there is or once was an alternative)

Like most things in life, there is a solution and I/we will find it.
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February 05, 2007, 05:32:43 AM
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I've tried doing a little bit of research.  The best I can offer so far is that the cases may actually be manufacturered by Pride Plastics Div Ufe Inc in the U.S. (or they may not.  I haven't confirmed this - They have a patent on a universal storage case that takes cartridges and disks). If this is the case, then it looks like time to save and pay those international courier costs for those who are desperate enough.

I have asked a local chinese importer here to do some enquiries with their wholesalers in China.  These are the people who turn up with all sorts of plastic disc cases at the computer markets.  If I am wrong about the manufacturer being U.S. based, they might be the ones who would know. wshbrngr believes that one of the boxes he received was marked made in China, and I am inclined to think he is right,
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February 07, 2007, 07:38:05 PM
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Hehe Lish ...... New Zealand possum's are different to Aussie ones, are regarded as a pest, carry TB and should be killed on site as a result.

Man I'm thankful I live here rather than Aussie-tralia especially now I hear we have better postage costs for delivery of game cases  ;D

February 08, 2007, 12:38:39 PM
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As long as it wasn't a regular occurence, I'd be glad to act as the middle man for a few of you in order to facilitate the case shipping. In fact, I should just find out what it takes to be a reseller of these things since there is obviously a market for them. Can we confirm who the manufacturer of the cases is and I'll look into it?
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February 08, 2007, 02:00:20 PM
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I've just sent an inquiry to mediashelving.com asking them if they could tell me the manufacturer of their universal game cases.... Awaiting word from them.

Regards Seb

EDIT:
This is what mediashelving replied:

We deal with their American counterpart whom has direct vested interest in the overseas facilities (in China I believe). 
They do not make us privy to the actual details of their manufacturer due to proprietary issues, sorry.

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Diane Reddick
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February 09, 2007, 04:37:53 AM
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OK,

I am now 99% sure of this.

The cases are made in China for a U.S. company called Protect-O-Products.  Protecto-O-Products are media case manufacturers.  Coincidentally, they appear to be a subsiduary of shoppers inc. which also owns the video store shopper.  The unit price of US$19.00 per 100 seem to correlate with a wholesale price.

Snowcone:

  If you plan to be a reseller, I would suggest that you consider buying from the video shopper for $19 a box and on-selling for at least $42 per box + the cost from Simi valley to your residence + the paypal charges + GST if applicable.  This of course would only be an option if you lived in CA (the worlds fifth largest economy - yes bigger than my little country..Actually, greater LA is  20 million as per my entire country) or nearby so that the domestic courier costs when added to the $42 and international postage is not cumulatively expensive.

There is some postage risk.  The products would be insured by USPS at no additional cost, but you would need to make sure that any inurance claim includes postage costs, or the purchaser accepts the risk (not you).  I have had quite a few items sent by surface post, including some consoles off ebay from europe and thus far there have been no problems.

I, tiktektak, and I assume Kaiser would appreciate your doing us a favour if you so wish and do not plan to be a reseller, but I fear this type of thing may snowball.  I don't know how many hit's this site gets from outside the US, but the cases could become very popular.
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February 09, 2007, 09:31:16 AM
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I know I'm kinda late to jump on this train, but I need to buy a sagnifigent amount of Universal Media Cases to hold by best 100 NES, 30 SNES, and 20 N64 gamees. I checked out the full sleeves deal for .27 each at the video store shopper. $40 is all fine and dandy with me with cases, but whats the kicker is the shipping. These cases are being shipped from the US, and I live in Canada. CANADA! You know, that country to the nouth that isn't on the other side of the globe?

Shipping here is $51.77 USD. Thats ADDED to the $40, making the grand total $91.77 USD for 150 UMC from the video store shopper. Yikes! Are there any more retailers out there that offer a more resonable fair? I could understand if I was ordering something heavy AND I lived where some of you guys do (no offense guys ;D) but come on....90 bucks AMERICAN for a bunch of plastic? doesn't seem right.

So just to sum up, I'd like to know if there are any online shops becides the video store shopper that sell full sleeved UMC, where I can buy in bulk (if as Lish says, they ship in 100s) then I'd be willing to buy 200 rather than 150..assuming the shipping cost is a little more resonable. Thanks in advance.

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