Author Topic: alert- ebay member "orienblack" is selling thecoverproject covers for $15 a pop!  (Read 5789 times)

March 24, 2010, 02:06:09 PM
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I think the problem they had was not that someone was using the cover they made but that someone was SELLING the cover they made when they intended the cover to be free to anyone who had the time to download it.

March 24, 2010, 02:37:41 PM
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I see your point, but still if you set something free over the net then don't be surpised or upset how it plays out. Thats just the nature of the net. Also this person could have just been charging for teh assembly of them or 15 for the case, I mean there no way to know for sure. This just has a number of auguments within it that you can not balance, and for people that created something to begin with that they didn't have permission to go playing with to then get upset when they see someone else using it, should be taken as a compliment to them instead of an insult. If one person is guilty in a situation like this then everyone is guilty, because it began with the people that created these things to begin who  didn't have permission by the companys to use the names of the games or the art.

As I said there is a doulbe standard being set here, and for people (including the admins) to start pointing fingers is crazy. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. From what i see the whole site is based on peaple making covers for games they don't have any permission or rights too(I'll stand corrected if someone posts their rights), and the site will even give you the tools you need to do it yourself with. 

By all means please explain this to me????
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 06:34:02 AM by Alucardian »

March 25, 2010, 06:39:49 AM
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Simple really, used for free by fans vs making a profit off of someone else's work. If you really need this simple moral difference explained to you, like you aren't being purposely obtuse (and like we don't know who you are), then there's no hope and you might as well give up.

BTW enjoy trying to hide your feedback & illicit profits you've made off of other people's works:
http://www.goofbay.com/ebay_seller_history_tool.html?gsl_username=orienblack&gsl_days=30&gsl_include=sold&gsl_submit=&gsl_submit.x=25&gsl_submit.y=3

Must be nice making over $1,000 of profit in the last 30 days w/o doing anything of worth!
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 06:44:51 AM by Vicman »

March 25, 2010, 07:02:59 AM
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haha I didn't realize who that was at first.  I feel dumb.  Woo troll! :D

March 25, 2010, 08:04:12 AM
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I see your point, but still if you set something free over the net then don't be surpised or upset how it plays out. Thats just the nature of the net. Also this person could have just been charging for teh assembly of them or 15 for the case, I mean there no way to know for sure. This just has a number of auguments within it that you can not balance, and for people that created something to begin with that they didn't have permission to go playing with to then get upset when they see someone else using it, should be taken as a compliment to them instead of an insult. If one person is guilty in a situation like this then everyone is guilty, because it began with the people that created these things to begin who  didn't have permission by the companys to use the names of the games or the art.

As I said there is a doulbe standard being set here, and for people (including the admins) to start pointing fingers is crazy. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. From what i see the whole site is based on peaple making covers for games they don't have any permission or rights too(I'll stand corrected if someone posts their rights), and the site will even give you the tools you need to do it yourself with.  

By all means please explain this to me????

wow, just wow.

anyway, I know alucardian is a troll, but MisterCreazil is exactly right, TCP covers contain IP from the original release, even if they are put together/cleaned up by us, thus I don't think any of us think we have any rights to them ourselves.

what we do have the right to do, indeed our duty is to make sure no one ever sells them, including us, they are free for everyone, period.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 08:09:23 AM by segaprophet »

March 25, 2010, 11:43:16 AM
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wow, just wow.

anyway, I know alucardian is a troll, but MisterCreazil is exactly right, TCP covers contain IP from the original release, even if they are put together/cleaned up by us, thus I don't think any of us think we have any rights to them ourselves.

what we do have the right to do, indeed our duty is to make sure no one ever sells them, including us, they are free for everyone, period.

My feelings exactly. TCP dose not condone piracy. this means that we do not accept or allow any kind of monetary compensation fort he work displayed in this site.

True that we take liberties in using other peoples work when making covers, but it's not being done with the intention of profiting from it. and me personally will try to do anything to stop someone from using the work displayed in this site in order to profit from it.

If you have nothing to do... Don't do it here!

March 25, 2010, 11:51:04 AM
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nothing can be done either way. it's out there so it's up for grabs.  two a character if used from original sources of material that's copywritten. can't be sold, they are registered trademarks.  the time it would take to go n try n do something of it is depending on the issue.  with things that don't exist on the market, is whishy washy. these fan covers can't be registered with congress of copywright. cause its someone elses art / work.  so u cant do shit about it cept bicker n kick your heels.  there is no proof, other then an ip i guess from what someone said. but that's saying i forged that ip address which is easy n posted something. no one on this site has the rights to shit. unless it's 100% your work not using images that were made by the artists / concept groups inside the company that made or developed the game.  there is no world copyright law and never will be. even with the torrent battles from the california / new york media battlefronts, trying to make a global war out of it.  they don't have the authority, but seem to with boat loads of money paying off officials in other countries.

to whomever said tcp doenst condone piracy is full of shit.  it's a bullshit clause n moral going around so u feel better about growing a community of people w/ other agendas good or bad.  isohunt.com / piratebay.org doesn't condone privacy so they can host the tracker shit (but never hav the actual files of say Avatar on there machines).  when they do raids on them all they find are footsteps, nothing illegal.  a judge wouldnt understand it but they hav been aware during the year long court cases as a defense statement.  just like a headshop doesn't condone illegal activities but u know what all that stuff in the store is aimed towards. legally u cant say i want that bong or weed pipe (if they hear u u get kicked out). they would get shut down, promoting illegal activities. u got to use different terminology so no one gets in trouble.

i checked out that ebay linking site with a few sellers whom i know the prices items sold for.  a few of them had the wrong prices. like an item that went for 45. it showed it going for 238.  it's buggy n only shows 30 days.

as far permission, hit or miss. for sound sampling as long as ur not making profit off of it. say the simpsons sound clips for a radio show. that's fine, matt g n fox gives the ok to just about all of them. as far as releasing them on a record of sounds for dj's. that's a gray area but underground n sales skyrocket. cause they are limited pressings n worth double n tripple once it's out of print. look up hip hop break vinyl records or samples. n they all weren't cleared to press to sell. even past Biz Markies - All Samples Cleared album. which is the first licienced rap album ever commercially. from then on out people get sued in big contracts like. dr dre got sued from lucas with his 2001 intro song. w/ the thx sound he forgot to clear.  there is a band who had a one hit wonder n they r paying out the ass with there hit single, cant think of it at the moment. a 90's alt rock song w a drum beat they oversampled under guidelines of free drumming standards for manufacturing music. the one hit being there only song that still plays on the radio they pay per play n each disc made. they are fuckd for life. dj dangermouse's gray album using the beatles white album for the beats n prefessionally pressed on vinyl n cd for "mixtapes" for underground rap / hip hop / record shops got shut down. the samples weren't cleared. n those now since they stopped making em. r priceless items to have or sealed. they go for a hundred dollars plus a pop if u can find them. they sold for 20 at the time when they came out.

these covers aren't just here but hundreds n hundreds of other sites. good luck w/ that.
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March 25, 2010, 11:52:54 AM
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Ok so the different between what TCP is doing and what Alucardian (I didn't even need to look at the IP, 2 posts only in this topic is enough for me) is doing is like comparing apples and oranges.

TCP is providing a means for fans to print out and make covers for their games that they have already purchased, they are not profitting off of it. (I guarantee you the ad revenue barely covers the hosting costs for the site) Where as Alucardian is profiting off of people who don't know any better by using others work and passing it off as his own. That is blatant plagiarism because he is making a profit off of it, not to mention a-holeish...

Now if he asked each individual creator for permission when he used their cover then it would be a little better but stiill doesn't get around the fact that the covers are free. Maybe we can get a highly visable disclaimer put on the main site that says that all covers posted are freeware and any attempt to profit off of them will be stopped.

March 25, 2010, 01:42:59 PM
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So you believe a proper justification for selling items otherwise obtainable for free, thereby preying on what your hoping is your buyer's ignorance, is simply that you can? And we're "setting a double standard" for calling you out on that?

We don't sell these covers. While our use of copyrighted characters, names, trademarks, and images is indeed unauthorized, we are not profiting off of them. Any court on the planet would most likely find what we're doing to fall far under fair use laws, which wouldn't apply to what you are doing because you are selling them for a profit.

What you're is doing isn't condemned by this community because it's illegal, it's condemned because it's fundamentally dishonest. We absolutely have a moral ground to stand on here because we aren't preying and relying on potential customers' ignorance, what we're doing doesn't take advantage of people.

You're absolutely precious and infuriating at the same time. You're like those folks who defend ebay and craigslist scamming, so morally bankrupt it hurts.
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 02:23:15 PM by AppleQueso »

March 25, 2010, 03:11:08 PM
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I'll create a GUI interface using Visual Basic. See if I can track an IP address.

Edit: After spending 5 seconds with the admin tools on TCP creating my totally hax0r GUI interface, I found that the only posts from Alucardian's IP range are by Alucardian. No fun there. Maybe he went through 7 proxies?
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March 25, 2010, 04:15:40 PM
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Great way to introduce yourself.  :-\ Most of us who make covers do them as a favor or just as a way to preserve our games. For example, I use mostly Sega CD, Saturn, and PS1 covers from either ones that I made or from this site. Jewel cases suck hard. DVD cases are much better. Has ANYONE here charged for these? Didn't think so. Its really just modifying to fit our needs. Most of the ones I use are re-dos of the original artwork.

Ditto on the proxies thought.

Selling crap like orienblack did is dishonest, and in all honesty it's a flat out lie. Those aren't "super rare." They're hacks/translations that cost like $20 to make. Selling them at all for more than you paid is totally wrong. I could only see this being okay (the selling it thing) is if he was totally honest and set the price low. If not for the content then at least for the materials and labor, ya know?

The original of that vid is better.  ;D
« Last Edit: March 25, 2010, 04:17:48 PM by M47R1X »
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March 25, 2010, 05:23:05 PM
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so buying a console, or a game (doesn't have to be video games, a commodity) and selling it tripple or quadrople during the holiday's is illegal? the advantages of supply n demand. marketing concept. i don't think the people who made these hacked games gave permission either. it's not copywritten nor could it be.

anywhere else here know the law or marketing here?

March 25, 2010, 05:44:22 PM
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But this isnt about supply and demand. Its about all those bidders who can buy themselves a copy of that game right now for 60$ and the seller is simply taking advantage of the uneducated and telling them its a really rare game to make a profit. Thats still a form of scamming isnt it?

Sounds like a pretty sheisty way of marketing if you ask me...

March 25, 2010, 05:50:01 PM
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I don't see it as a scam - an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay.

are shops scamming us if we buy something and it goes on sale a week later, or if we find it cheaper online?

a scam is when someone deliberately misleads someone into doing or buying something.  anyone buying these games is a collector (or else they wouldn't be still into the NES/SNES scene) and therefore knows they are hacked carts as there was never a retail release in that format.  If they are prepared to pay that for it, then it's worth it to them.