alert- ebay member "orienblack" is selling thecoverproject covers for $15 a pop!

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Vt102:

--- Quote from: segaprophet on March 25, 2010, 08:04:12 AM ---
wow, just wow.

anyway, I know alucardian is a troll, but MisterCreazil is exactly right, TCP covers contain IP from the original release, even if they are put together/cleaned up by us, thus I don't think any of us think we have any rights to them ourselves.

what we do have the right to do, indeed our duty is to make sure no one ever sells them, including us, they are free for everyone, period.

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My feelings exactly. TCP dose not condone piracy. this means that we do not accept or allow any kind of monetary compensation fort he work displayed in this site.

True that we take liberties in using other peoples work when making covers, but it's not being done with the intention of profiting from it. and me personally will try to do anything to stop someone from using the work displayed in this site in order to profit from it.

cookiemonstyr:
nothing can be done either way. it's out there so it's up for grabs. two a character if used from original sources of material that's copywritten. can't be sold, they are registered trademarks. the time it would take to go n try n do something of it is depending on the issue. with things that don't exist on the market, is whishy washy. these fan covers can't be registered with congress of copywright. cause its someone elses art / work. so u cant do shit about it cept bicker n kick your heels. there is no proof, other then an ip i guess from what someone said. but that's saying i forged that ip address which is easy n posted something. no one on this site has the rights to shit. unless it's 100% your work not using images that were made by the artists / concept groups inside the company that made or developed the game. there is no world copyright law and never will be. even with the torrent battles from the california / new york media battlefronts, trying to make a global war out of it. they don't have the authority, but seem to with boat loads of money paying off officials in other countries.

to whomever said tcp doenst condone piracy is full of shit. it's a bullshit clause n moral going around so u feel better about growing a community of people w/ other agendas good or bad. isohunt.com / piratebay.org doesn't condone privacy so they can host the tracker shit (but never hav the actual files of say Avatar on there machines). when they do raids on them all they find are footsteps, nothing illegal. a judge wouldnt understand it but they hav been aware during the year long court cases as a defense statement. just like a headshop doesn't condone illegal activities but u know what all that stuff in the store is aimed towards. legally u cant say i want that bong or weed pipe (if they hear u u get kicked out). they would get shut down, promoting illegal activities. u got to use different terminology so no one gets in trouble.

i checked out that ebay linking site with a few sellers whom i know the prices items sold for. a few of them had the wrong prices. like an item that went for 45. it showed it going for 238. it's buggy n only shows 30 days.

as far permission, hit or miss. for sound sampling as long as ur not making profit off of it. say the simpsons sound clips for a radio show. that's fine, matt g n fox gives the ok to just about all of them. as far as releasing them on a record of sounds for dj's. that's a gray area but underground n sales skyrocket. cause they are limited pressings n worth double n tripple once it's out of print. look up hip hop break vinyl records or samples. n they all weren't cleared to press to sell. even past Biz Markies - All Samples Cleared album. which is the first licienced rap album ever commercially. from then on out people get sued in big contracts like. dr dre got sued from lucas with his 2001 intro song. w/ the thx sound he forgot to clear. there is a band who had a one hit wonder n they r paying out the ass with there hit single, cant think of it at the moment. a 90's alt rock song w a drum beat they oversampled under guidelines of free drumming standards for manufacturing music. the one hit being there only song that still plays on the radio they pay per play n each disc made. they are fuckd for life. dj dangermouse's gray album using the beatles white album for the beats n prefessionally pressed on vinyl n cd for "mixtapes" for underground rap / hip hop / record shops got shut down. the samples weren't cleared. n those now since they stopped making em. r priceless items to have or sealed. they go for a hundred dollars plus a pop if u can find them. they sold for 20 at the time when they came out.

these covers aren't just here but hundreds n hundreds of other sites. good luck w/ that.

thesubcon3:
Ok so the different between what TCP is doing and what Alucardian (I didn't even need to look at the IP, 2 posts only in this topic is enough for me) is doing is like comparing apples and oranges.

TCP is providing a means for fans to print out and make covers for their games that they have already purchased, they are not profitting off of it. (I guarantee you the ad revenue barely covers the hosting costs for the site) Where as Alucardian is profiting off of people who don't know any better by using others work and passing it off as his own. That is blatant plagiarism because he is making a profit off of it, not to mention a-holeish...

Now if he asked each individual creator for permission when he used their cover then it would be a little better but stiill doesn't get around the fact that the covers are free. Maybe we can get a highly visable disclaimer put on the main site that says that all covers posted are freeware and any attempt to profit off of them will be stopped.

AppleQueso:
So you believe a proper justification for selling items otherwise obtainable for free, thereby preying on what your hoping is your buyer's ignorance, is simply that you can? And we're "setting a double standard" for calling you out on that?

We don't sell these covers. While our use of copyrighted characters, names, trademarks, and images is indeed unauthorized, we are not profiting off of them. Any court on the planet would most likely find what we're doing to fall far under fair use laws, which wouldn't apply to what you are doing because you are selling them for a profit.

What you're is doing isn't condemned by this community because it's illegal, it's condemned because it's fundamentally dishonest. We absolutely have a moral ground to stand on here because we aren't preying and relying on potential customers' ignorance, what we're doing doesn't take advantage of people.

You're absolutely precious and infuriating at the same time. You're like those folks who defend ebay and craigslist scamming, so morally bankrupt it hurts.

Doom:
I'll create a GUI interface using Visual Basic. See if I can track an IP address.

Edit: After spending 5 seconds with the admin tools on TCP creating my totally hax0r GUI interface, I found that the only posts from Alucardian's IP range are by Alucardian. No fun there. Maybe he went through 7 proxies?

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