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July 02, 2017, 11:54:29 PM
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Note: don't want any mode consoles neither 3rd party (if it wasn't made for it in that era) or home made cables. I need the best output that I got in that era. For example don't want a moded snes to output component, or a component cable made since 2008 for the snes. Just want the best output in that era.

You'll have to start making the distinction of if you want to stick with what was ONLY available in your region or not then. Because for some consoles, different regions had vastly different quality/connections out of consoles. And if you want to get the best quality available out of the hardware, based on what was actually available in that generation, it may still require a mod to enable.

July 03, 2017, 08:56:19 AM
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This is how I took his request.

The video signals used in the US for video games systems are the following (in order from lowest quality to highest quality)
  RF
  composite
  s-video
  component
  VGA (debatable, could be on the same line as component)
  HDMI

What's the best choice from the above list for each console without moding or buying a cable that wasn't available when the system was active? 

If ^^^ this is what you are looking for, then the info I provided earlier is what you need.

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July 03, 2017, 09:03:18 AM
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Another thing to think about is audio.  There are different levels of audio quality.  Luckily, this is a little simpler because there are not nearly as many options.

In the US, the audio signal for video game systems could have been provided through the following methods.
  RF
  RCA (mono)
  RCA (stereo)
  digital optical
  HDMI


Here is your same list from before:

NINTENDO

- NES: RCA mono
- SNES:  RCA stereo
- N64:  RCA stereo
- GameCube:  RCA stereo
- Wii:  RCA stereo
- Wii U:  HDMI
- Switch:  HDMI

PLAYSTATION

- PS1:  RCA stereo
- PS2:  digital optical
- PS3:  HDMI
- PS4: HDMI

XBOX

- Classic:  digital optical
- 360:  HDMI
- One:  HDMI

SEGA

- Master System:  RCA mono
- Genesis:  RCA stereo
- CD: RCA stereo
- Pico: 
- 32x:  RCA stereo
- Saturn: RCA stereo
- Dreamcast: RCA stereo

ATARI

- 2600:  RF
- 5200:  RF
- 7800:  RF
- Jaguar: RCA stereo
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July 03, 2017, 09:18:27 AM
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Note: don't want any mode consoles neither 3rd party (if it wasn't made for it in that era) or home made cables. I need the best output that I got in that era. For example don't want a moded snes to output component, or a component cable made since 2008 for the snes. Just want the best output in that era.

You'll have to start making the distinction of if you want to stick with what was ONLY available in your region or not then. Because for some consoles, different regions had vastly different quality/connections out of consoles. And if you want to get the best quality available out of the hardware, based on what was actually available in that generation, it may still require a mod to enable.


Thanks all for your answers, searching only for NTSC US consoles. As for the tv I'm planning on buying a crt tv, but I have never seen one with s video or RGB scart input here in the Dominican Republic. I thing RGB scart is only use in Europe.

Need what was available in that era, made to work with the system in north america
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July 03, 2017, 09:42:43 AM
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Like others have said, Scart is your best best with several of these consoles, but in the US, that usually isn't an option.  So I'm assuming you want the best option without using that.  I've listed the systems from you OP that were not correct.

SNES - s-video
N64 - s-video
GameCube - s-video

PS1 - s-video
Original Xbox - component (and digital optical audio)

Master System - composite
Genesis / CD / 32x - composite
Saturn - s-video
Dreamcast - VGA (or s-video if VGA isn't available)

Jaguar - s-video

So there was a cable in that era made for this consoles, S video for Snes, N64, GameCube, PS1, Saturn and Jaguar. A Component cable for the Original Xbox Composite for the Master system, Genesis/ Cd / 32X, and S video Cable for the Dreamcast? (it will be realy hard to find a TV with VGA input here in the Dominican Republic)

Remember for sale in that era that was made to work in those consoles.

July 03, 2017, 09:54:10 AM
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So there was a cable in that era made for this consoles, S video for Snes, N64, GameCube, PS1, Saturn and Jaguar. A Component cable for the Original Xbox Composite for the Master system, Genesis/ Cd / 32X, and S video Cable for the Dreamcast? (it will be realy hard to find a TV with VGA input here in the Dominican Republic)

Remember for sale in that era that was made to work in those consoles.

Yes, that is correct.  For the Dreamcast, it will probably be easier to just go with s-video, but I included VGA since it was technically an option at the time.  

Here's a few things to consider:

•   The s-video cable for the SNES, N64 and GameCube is the same cable.  
•   The s-video cable for the PS1 is the same as for the PS2 and PS3.  Obviously the PS2 and PS3 have better video options, but if you find s-video and it says it's for the PS2 or PS3, you can use it on PS1.
•   The original Jaguar s-video cable is going to be expensive.  There are homemade versions available out there for a lot less.  These homemade cables were probably made in the past few years which based on your post you might not want.  However, they are meant to work exactly like the original s-video cables that were available when the Jaguar was an active system.
•   The composite cable for the Master System is the same as the composite cable for a model 1 Genesis, but not a model 2.  
•   You might want to list your specific Genesis/CD/32x setup.  Which model Genesis?  Which model CD?
•   The Xbox component cable is an adapter that plugs into the video out port and is about six inches long.  From that adapter, you can output component video, and either analog audio or digital optical audio (which I recommend).  Again, this was available back when the Xbox was active.
•   Original Saturn and Dreamcast s-video cables are probably going to be expensive.  Like the Jaguar, you will have to decide if third party cables are acceptable or not.  Quality of third party will vary, but many work well.
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July 03, 2017, 10:09:32 AM
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TG-16 is getting no love in this thread

July 03, 2017, 10:18:30 AM
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TG-16 is getting no love in this thread

lol those where the first consoles that came to my mind. but i was going to add more console in the future. but yes, TG 16 also which cable uses back then?

July 03, 2017, 10:33:48 AM
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TG-16 is getting no love in this thread

lol those where the first consoles that came to my mind. but i was going to add more console in the future. but yes, TG 16 also which cable uses back then?

Out of the box it was RF only.  However, an adapter that allowed for composite video was available during the systems life.  Also, the Turbo Duo had composite outputs, so that would be your best best while still fitting in with your OP.
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July 03, 2017, 10:59:21 AM
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So there was a cable in that era made for this consoles, S video for Snes, N64, GameCube, PS1, Saturn and Jaguar. A Component cable for the Original Xbox Composite for the Master system, Genesis/ Cd / 32X, and S video Cable for the Dreamcast? (it will be realy hard to find a TV with VGA input here in the Dominican Republic)

Remember for sale in that era that was made to work in those consoles.

Yes, that is correct.  For the Dreamcast, it will probably be easier to just go with s-video, but I included VGA since it was technically an option at the time. 

Here's a few things to consider:

•   The s-video cable for the SNES, N64 and GameCube is the same cable. 
•   The s-video cable for the PS1 is the same as for the PS2 and PS3.  Obviously the PS2 and PS3 have better video options, but if you find s-video and it says it's for the PS2 or PS3, you can use it on PS1
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•   The original Jaguar s-video cable is going to be expensive.  There are homemade versions available out there for a lot less.  These homemade cables were probably made in the past few years which based on your post you might not want.  However, they are meant to work exactly like the original s-video cables that were available when the Jaguar was an active system.
•   The composite cable for the Master System is the same as the composite cable for a model 1 Genesis, but not a model 2.
•   You might want to list your specific Genesis/CD/32x setup.  Which model Genesis?  Which model CD?
•   The Xbox component cable is an adapter that plugs into the video out port and is about six inches long.  From that adapter, you can output component video, and either analog audio or digital optical audio (which I recommend).  Again, this was available back when the Xbox was active.
•   Original Saturn and Dreamcast s-video cables are probably going to be expensive.  Like the Jaguar, you will have to decide if third party cables are acceptable or not.  Quality of third party will vary, but many work well.

For which one was made for?

If there was a cable made for the console in that era i don't mind buying a 3rd party cable

Both Model 2

Was made for that console or it started when the genesis?

July 03, 2017, 11:47:07 AM
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For which one was made for?

If there was a cable made for the console in that era i don't mind buying a 3rd party cable

Both Model 2

Was made for that console or it started when the genesis?

You could buy an s-video cable for the SNES back when it was still an active system.  Nintendo just continued to use the same a/v connector for the N64 and GC, so the same cable can be used for all three.  Please note that the SNES Mini cannot use s-video.  I don't believe I mentioned that before.

You will probably end up using a lot of third party cables since the originals can be expensive depending on the system.  They are not widely available, because back in the day almost everyone used RF or at best, composite. 

For your Genesis/CD/32x you should be fine using composite video out of the 32x. 

Master System composite video was available when the system was active.
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July 03, 2017, 12:04:17 PM
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For which one was made for?

If there was a cable made for the console in that era i don't mind buying a 3rd party cable

Both Model 2

Was made for that console or it started when the genesis?

You could buy an s-video cable for the SNES back when it was still an active system.  Nintendo just continued to use the same a/v connector for the N64 and GC, so the same cable can be used for all three.  Please note that the SNES Mini cannot use s-video.  I don't believe I mentioned that before.

You will probably end up using a lot of third party cables since the originals can be expensive depending on the system.  They are not widely available, because back in the day almost everyone used RF or at best, composite. 

For your Genesis/CD/32x you should be fine using composite video out of the 32x. 

Master System composite video was available when the system was active.

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July 03, 2017, 12:54:17 PM
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Another thing I was going to mention is that back in the day, most people used whatever cable came with the system when it was brand new.  Very few people would spend the money to upgrade their video cable, so anything that didn't come with it is usually uncommon.  I can't think of any systems that actually came with an s-video cable.  The NES and SNES came with both RF and composite and I used both growing up.  But I never bought a new cable for anything until I bought an s-video cable for my PS1 in college.  I bought a TV that had s-video input and that's what got me interested in learning about different video options.  And since that time I've always tried to use the best quality video available.  Like you, I don't do a lot of system modding for enhancements, although I've certainly considered it.  My Duo R has a component mod, but it came with it when I bought it and my Master System has the FM sound mod which I put in myself.  That's about it.  I've also bought HD Retrovision component cables for SMS, Genesis, SNES and Saturn.  The only system that could be done better without a mod is the GameCube running component, but I'm not going to spend that kind of money.  I still have hope for HD Retrovision or some other company finding a way to reproduce the chip used in the cable. 
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July 11, 2017, 08:23:18 PM
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- 2600:  RGB


There ya go

Fixed that for ya :)  (And yes, I know it doesn't answer OP's question, but I figure if we're also talking about mods, we might as well go all out)
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July 20, 2017, 05:02:20 AM
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I live in France and i can say ALL systems before PS2/XBOX works better with RGB SCART on a CRT TV, but slower ( 50 hz ) except Dreamcast ( VGA on HDTV for 480p games ), Game Cube ( the most expensive component cable in the world ! ) and NES ( the european composite is MUCH better than the french RGB SCART, because hardware is different, thanks NINTENDO ).

Anyway RGB SCART is the best but S-VIDEO is very similar. For my Dreamcast I use a VGA-box and outputs are VGA and S-VIDEO plugged on a CRT, and for 240p games it's just beautiful !