Offshoot of Non-gaming topic about current events

[Arseen]

Separated this it veered way off course.

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There is also a significant Muslim population in the county.[36]

Muslims are a religious group, not an ethnic group or race.

Unless your point was to suggest a terrorist attack, but then you should be equally concerned (if not more so) than Christian terrorists, as they (by far) are, and have always been, the country's largest internal threat.  They're just not as flashy.

[Arseen]

There is also a significant Muslim population in the county.[36]

Muslims are a religious group, not an ethnic group or race.

Unless your point was to suggest a terrorist attack, but then you should be equally concerned (if not more so) than Christian terrorists, as they (by far) are, and have always been, the country's largest internal threat.  They're just not as flashy.

Or he just meant that there lives many muslims. Period.

[FritzWhite]

There is also a significant Muslim population in the county.[36]

Muslims are a religious group, not an ethnic group or race.

Unless your point was to suggest a terrorist attack, but then you should be equally concerned (if not more so) than Christian terrorists, as they (by far) are, and have always been, the country's largest internal threat.  They're just not as flashy.

It was a population statistic quoted from wikipedia, but I appreciate you making that assumption and then telling me what I should be concerned about. What Christian terrorist attacks are you referring to?

[FritzWhite]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=68f_1468612513

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My apologies...I didn't see quotes, and you reported a list of nationalities followed by a single religious statistic.  While it is evident I made a preemptive assumption, my religious info was based n your concern for a terrorist attack.

As for "which" attacks I am referring, it is almost all of them - anything from the bombing of the US senate in 83, to Oklahoma City in the mid 90s, to the umpteen school shootings in the last decade.  The majority have been perpetrated by Christian individuals or groups.  A small percent were committed by Jewish individuals, and an even smaller attempt by Islamic, or Muslim, perpetrators.  

[Arseen]

As for "which" attacks I am referring, it is almost all of them - anything from the bombing of the US senate in 83, to Oklahoma City in the mid 90s, to the umpteen school shootings in the last decade.  The majority have been perpetrated by Christian individuals or groups.  A small percent were committed by Jewish individuals, and an even smaller attempt by Islamic, or Muslim, perpetrators.  

But were these religion driven like these latest were as was 9/11, or were these just persons who happened to be Chriatian?
That is huge difference.

[FritzWhite]

My apologies...I didn't see quotes, and you reported a list of nationalities followed by a single religious statistic.  While it is evident I made a preemptive assumption, my religious info was based n your concern for a terrorist attack.

As for "which" attacks I am referring, it is almost all of them - anything from the bombing of the US senate in 83, to Oklahoma City in the mid 90s, to the umpteen school shootings in the last decade.  The majority have been perpetrated by Christian individuals or groups.  A small percent were committed by Jewish individuals, and an even smaller attempt by Islamic, or Muslim, perpetrators.  

I see, a few points: I'm a Christian, albeit a poor one (I sin all the time and am not proud of it, just being honest. I love to see beautiful women and I can be selfish and self-centered, however, this behavior is my responsibility and not a result of Christianity).

Where does it say in the Bible that we should commit acts of terror, taking into account (since you obviously don't know already) that Christians believe in the New Testament and are not bound by the laws of the Old Testament? I've never in my life been told in church that I should harm anyone; such an ignorant statement (no offense, you simply don't know what you're talking about). How do you know that any of those perpetrators were Christian? Do they yell "God is Great" while they're committing their acts?

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No idea.  But in reality, It actually doesn't make a difference - these are attacks on US soil.  There is a huge fear that Islamic extremists are our biggest threat - when in reality, it is our own citizens who are NOT religiously motivated that are a far bigger threat.

If the argument is to say that we must fear Muslims, my counter is that Chirstians and Jews kill more than any other religion on the planet.  If the argument is there are Islamic extremists who are out to kill people, then yes, that is correct.  But it is not anywhere near as big a threat as the other issues facing the country (in terms of violence).

[FritzWhite]

As for "which" attacks I am referring, it is almost all of them - anything from the bombing of the US senate in 83, to Oklahoma City in the mid 90s, to the umpteen school shootings in the last decade.  The majority have been perpetrated by Christian individuals or groups.  A small percent were committed by Jewish individuals, and an even smaller attempt by Islamic, or Muslim, perpetrators.  

But were these religion driven like these latest were as was 9/11, or were these just persons who happened to be Chriatian?
That is huge difference.

A very important point.

[Megatron]

My apologies...I didn't see quotes, and you reported a list of nationalities followed by a single religious statistic.  While it is evident I made a preemptive assumption, my religious info was based n your concern for a terrorist attack.

As for "which" attacks I am referring, it is almost all of them - anything from the bombing of the US senate in 83, to Oklahoma City in the mid 90s, to the umpteen school shootings in the last decade.  The majority have been perpetrated by Christian individuals or groups.  A small percent were committed by Jewish individuals, and an even smaller attempt by Islamic, or Muslim, perpetrators.  

I see, a few points: I'm a Christian, albeit a poor one (I sin all the time and am not proud of it, just being honest. I love to see beautiful women and I can be selfish and self-centered, however, this behvior is my responsibility and not a result of Christianity)

Where does it say in the Bible that we should commit acts of terror, taking into account (since you obviously don't know already) that Christians believe in the New Testament and are not bound by the laws of the Old Testament? I've never in my life been told in church that I should harm anyone; such an ignorant statement (no offense, you simply don't know what you're talking about). How do you know that any of those perpetrators were Christian? Do they yell "God is Great" while they're committing their acts?

See Adolf Hitler, the Crusades, or any other "holy war" in history...lots of shit has been done in the name of God. 
As for the current idea, has anyone actually read any holy books?  Because the old Testament is pretty clear about revenge, acts of slavery, barbarism, and killing others in the name of God.

[Arseen]

Well I'm glad I'm atheist to the point of "disgustingly realistic".
Viewpoints so strong against religion and believers that it borderlines discrimination, segregation and/ or rasism.
Nobody but myself is responsible for my actions.

[Megatron]

My entire point is that the biggest problem right now is FEAR and over generalization.  Yes, there are horrible people doing horrible things which they claim is in the name of their god, but that is a small minority compared to the actual number of people who adhere to that religion.  It would be like if I started killing people because they don't go to Church every Sunday.  It's taking ideas and turning them into radicalism.

But as for fear, if you don't believe me, just take any Donald Trump speech where he talks about Muslims, and replace the word Muslim with Jew...sound familiar?

[FritzWhite]

My apologies...I didn't see quotes, and you reported a list of nationalities followed by a single religious statistic.  While it is evident I made a preemptive assumption, my religious info was based n your concern for a terrorist attack.

As for "which" attacks I am referring, it is almost all of them - anything from the bombing of the US senate in 83, to Oklahoma City in the mid 90s, to the umpteen school shootings in the last decade.  The majority have been perpetrated by Christian individuals or groups.  A small percent were committed by Jewish individuals, and an even smaller attempt by Islamic, or Muslim, perpetrators.  

I see, a few points: I'm a Christian, albeit a poor one (I sin all the time and am not proud of it, just being honest. I love to see beautiful women and I can be selfish and self-centered, however, this behvior is my responsibility and not a result of Christianity)

Where does it say in the Bible that we should commit acts of terror, taking into account (since you obviously don't know already) that Christians believe in the New Testament and are not bound by the laws of the Old Testament? I've never in my life been told in church that I should harm anyone; such an ignorant statement (no offense, you simply don't know what you're talking about). How do you know that any of those perpetrators were Christian? Do they yell "God is Great" while they're committing their acts?

See Adolf Hitler, the Crusades, or any other "holy war" in history...lots of shit has been done in the name of God.  
As for the current idea, has anyone actually read any holy books?  Because the old Testament is pretty clear about revenge, acts of slavery, barbarism, and killing others in the name of God.

There's nothing wrong with killing when you're facing genocide. Nobody needs to apologize for killing to not be murdered and your opinion of the historical accounts of the Old Testament are misinformed and offbase. Christians believe that we're not bound by the old covenant. All of the examples you listed are either flat out wrong (Hilter was decidedly anti Christian if you weight all of the facts), lack scriptural support, and are old and totally irrelevant in the 21st century. In which of those Christian terrorist examples you listed do the killers yell "Jesus Christ is great" or otherwise state that they're killing because of Christianity?

You simply hate Christianity, there's no one trying to kill you. You just don't like being told that something you believe in and are passionate about (such as gay marriage) is wrong. By the way, I think a lot of gay people are cool to hang out with and worked for a gay lady for years. Just because I don't agree with the morality of something doesn't mean I hate anyone.

[Arseen]

I do agree that biggest threat is not any religious group but people who have not gotten help for their mental issues, no matter their race, religion, age, etc.