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FritzWhite:

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--- Quote from: FritzWhite on August 01, 2016, 12:12:22 AM ---

You simply hate Christianity, there's no one

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Would be a pretty strong hypocrite seeing as I'm a practicing Catholic. I just tend to look at things realistcly. Read my earlier points, Fritz. You don't seem to be grasping the concept here...people are killing others. Who gives a damn why? Whether it's god, money, sex or madness...people are killing other people. My entire point is to show that fearing one group of people because they might murder you is the same as saying you're prejudice/stereotyping. So no, I have no problems with Christians, or any group as a whole. I just have problems with those who commit heinous acts. And people too blinded by fear and hate to see that.

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I think you're totally underestimating the importance of motive. It's just people killing others... except that it's muslims killing non-muslims. I think you're not understanding my points dude. My point is not that we should fear all muslims, but do I feel concern? Yes, and it doesn't make me a racist or a bigot to be afraid of something that might kill me.

Also, there are multiple passages in the Quran that not only support but command our murders as well, unlike the Bible which you brought up to obfuscate the issue. From what I've read (and I haven't been to Europe in over 15 years, hence the reason I opened this topic to find out their perspective) it's not very safe in Germany and Sweden for native Christians right now. The ones committing the beatings are often refugees, though this information is either heavily censored or outright blocked (I read that Sweden or Germany cannot report the race or religion of the perpetrator... so politically correct). These are the people that Obama and Hilary want to bring in by the truckload. Is it all of them? Of course not, but there's clearly a problem here. You know that many muslims don't share our appreciation for freedom or women's and gay rights? That's not an attack on them. It's a fact.

FritzWhite:
I had a conversation with a muslim about gays and he said that doesn't believe in anything as serious as pushing homosexuals off rooftops like has been said, but in a muslim dominated society (and, as I understand it, a muslim dominated society is their objective and a major facet of their ideology) gays should receive light beating like say lashes with a whip. Maybe he was some fringe lunatic though and all of the other muslims think that's really bad. I don't know. Any muslims want to comment on this? If I'm wrong then I'm open to a reasoned discussion, but I do need to be on my way right now to handle some work stuff. I'll be back tomorrow if there's anything to say.

FritzWhite:
By the way, if you're a practicing Catholic then Romans is pretty clear regarding homosexuality. Didn't you mention something about being a champion for gay rights awhile back?

Megatron:
I don't completely live my life by a 2000 yr old book written and edited for centuries by fallable men. I use common sense to know the majority of that book is written as a sign of its time...meaning that the bs about gays, selling children, eye for an eye, etc. Are a sign of their time. Also, what a good way to get people NOT to do something. Tell them God says it is bad! What a concept. It's also that strict adherence to dogma that radical Islamists believe.

And what makes me Catholic over Christian is my belief in transubstantiation. Thats a catholic thing.

Also, my faith dictates how I should live my life. It is not my place to force my beliefs on others. Hence why I believe in strong separation of church and state. So no single group's beliefs must dominate those of other beliefs. Is there going to be overlap? Of course. But just because something is moral or immoral does not mean it must be legal or illegal.

FritzWhite:

--- Quote from: Megatron on August 01, 2016, 01:35:24 AM ---I don't completely live my life by a 2000 yr old book written and edited for centuries by fallable men. I use common sense to know the majority of that book is written as a sign of its time...meaning that the bs about gays, selling children, eye for an eye, etc. Are a sign of their time. Also, what a good way to get people NOT to do something. Tell them God says it is bad! What a concept. It's also that strict adherence to dogma that radical Islamists believe.

And what makes me Catholic over Christian is my belief in transubstantiation. Thats a catholic thing.

Also, my faith dictates how I should live my life. It is not my place to force my beliefs on others. Hence why I believe in strong separation of church and state. So no single group's beliefs must dominate those of other beliefs. Is there going to be overlap? Of course. But just because something is moral or immoral does not mean it must be legal or illegal.

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You're creating a strawman argument as you have every time you've ever tried to argue with me. I'll respond in more detail in the next 24 hours.

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