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Gun control and such.
amiga1200:
;D :P
well, it depends really, just kick back with a shit eating on your face, take your time on the booze, and watch them get mega smashed, fall about, talk shit and pass out.
fun stuff. :D
to tell the truth, one of the best pub types to get a fill and a few pints.
it's what the rest are there for, albeit it they play for the sweepstakes, and i can't take me beer.
FritzWhite:
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--- Quote from: palmer6strings on February 08, 2016, 09:36:09 PM ---The only thing I'm gonna say is. If someone wants to kill/hurt/intimidate/whatever... they are going to do it with anything they can get their hands on. If not a pistol, maybe a shotgun or rifle. If not those, a knife. If not that, then something else. I will also state, that someone that is actually going to buy the gun, have it registered under their name, pays to be certified CCW isn't the ones you have to worry about. Why would they spend that much money to just commit a crime?
Here is the deal. A criminal is what he/she is... a CRIMINAL... they wont pay for any of that shit. Also, if the Government happens to finally take the guns away from civilians, a criminal will still be able to get their hands on firearms. A criminal wont care because they are planning on breaking the law anyway.
Last but not least, the Government wants us all to be sheep. They want us to follow them, no questions asked. They already think they own everything we have.
If they happen to take our firearms away, they WILL turn into a tyrannical force that we a nation wont be able to anything about.
Just my $0.02.
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My now very, VERY ex-friend has a CCW and a number of handguns. One day he pinned his wife against a wall, held a pistol to her head and threatened to blow her brains out.
In front of their 3 children.
He then tried to kidnap his youngest son. He was arrested, charged with several felonies, but managed to plead to some. Sort of misdemeanor and is still in procession of all his handguns and CCW.
I don't like to bring up personal experiences, as they are only anecdotal evidence, but this particular event seems to very effectively argue the "need not fear" mentality when it comes to people who have registered firearms and are "trained" (any moron monkey can get a CCW. Let's be realistic here, it's NOT hard to do).
As an FYI, this is not the reason that I'm not in favor of handgun ownership. I was opposed to such long before. This event just happened to ruin a life-long friendship.
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You can trade the word guns for knife and the phrase blow her brains out for slit her throat and you'd have the same argument. You argued earlier that guns are not comparable to vehicles or other life hazards because they're man made and can kill you. The same is true for archery, sword fencing, and martial arts.
Unless you can qualify why it's unique and not comparable, the vehicle comparison still applies. One can have the same scenario with a vehicle as your friend did with his firearm. It can be used irresponsibly to kill people and there are people on the road who are a danger to everyone yet still have driver's licenses. The system's not perfect, but I would rather maintain my liberty then have it stripped away because of the misdeeds of a minority.
I don't have much more to say on the subject unless someone wants to keep talking about it in case you want to close the thread.
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God, I KNEW that would be your argument.
He didn't hold a knife to her head, despite the fact that this happened in their kitchen, with several knives on hand. Instead he went to the bedroom, unlocked he safe, loaded his pistol, and then came back into the kitchen to hold it to her head.
A knife is a tool with many uses. A hand gun is a weapon which has one, single use.
Fencing is a sport in which nobody is ever killed. A hand gun is a weapon made to kill another person.
Martial arts is a means by which to defend one's self with their bare hands and feet. A hand gun can slaughter a room full of people without ever coming into contact with them, and in a matter of seconds.
Archery was conceived as a means by which to hunt more effectively. It of course has been used as a weapon. It takes a great deal of training and skill to become an effective archer, and I've yet to see a news reel of some kid walking into his/her school and destroying dozens of lives with a bow and arrow. A hand gun can be wielded in a deadly manner by anyone who can pick it up. Point at crowd, pull trigger.
I feel that I've already very clearly identified the differences between a handgun and EVEEYTHING you've compared it to.
In the end, comparisons are a useless argument anyway. What difference does it make if a watermelon could be dropped off a 10 story busing and kill someone below? The point is that it doesn't happen, and if it did, not to the degree that kids walk into schools with their daddy's machine gun and kill dozens of innocent people. The comparisons only exemplify the lack of a logical argument for the ownership of deadly weapons. An effective argument cannot be based on either speculation or (and I mean no offense here) nonsensical analogies/comparicsons.
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The other problem with US gun control is Mexico and the cartels. Mexico may seem like an irrelevant 3rd world country to some euros, but they are a very significant factor. If guns are banned in the US then the cartels will have more power and we'll be a much softer, riper target for terrorists.
Megatron:
--- Quote from: FritzWhite on February 17, 2016, 10:47:33 PM ---The other problem with US gun control is Mexico and the cartels. Mexico may seem like an irrelevant 3rd world country to some euros, but they are a very significant factor. If guns are banned in the US then the cartels will have more power and we'll be a much softer, riper target for terrorists.
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I stay out of all of this because, well, I have better things to do and I don't have a strong opinion one way or another.
However, unless you have some evidence to back this up, this claim is bogus. I can only speak to that because A) I live in San Diego, and B) I happen to be a behavior therapist that works with the San Diego government, specifically the Office of Immigration, where I correspond regularly with the Mexican Federal Police. The "cartels" are the boogeymen of Mexico and a serious issue for illegal activities...and not ONCE has gun control come up as an issue for dealing with them, or that it would be problematic.
FritzWhite:
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--- Quote from: FritzWhite on February 17, 2016, 10:47:33 PM ---The other problem with US gun control is Mexico and the cartels. Mexico may seem like an irrelevant 3rd world country to some euros, but they are a very significant factor. If guns are banned in the US then the cartels will have more power and we'll be a much softer, riper target for terrorists.
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I stay out of all of this because, well, I have better things to do and I don't have a strong opinion one way or another.
However, unless you have some evidence to back this up, this claim is bogus. I can only speak to that because A) I live in San Diego, and B) I happen to be a behavior therapist that works with the San Diego government, specifically the Office of Immigration where I correspond regularly with the Mexican Federal Police. The "cartels" are the boogeymen of Mexico and a serious issue for illegal activities...and not ONCE has gun control come up as an issue for dealing with them, or that it would be problematic.
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It's not an issue because it's not illegal. If guns are outlawed, the cartel will meet the demand that will form in that void. They're successful in getting other things across the border so why would guns be any different? They'll go where the money is like they always have.
Blumpkin:
This is certainly interesting. Unfortunately it seems there are rarely moderates in gun control debates.
My observation has been that most anti-gun people know nothing about guns. And most pro-gun people want to ignore common sense practices with regards to guns.