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Megatron:
I think it's more of a career low for Deadpool...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv05IIPRY6Y

wiggy:

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--- Quote from: wiggy on February 12, 2016, 07:11:25 AM ---
--- Quote from: palmer6strings on February 08, 2016, 09:36:09 PM ---The only thing I'm gonna say is. If someone wants to kill/hurt/intimidate/whatever... they are going to do it with anything they can get their hands on. If not a pistol, maybe a shotgun or rifle. If not those, a knife. If not that, then something else. I will also state, that someone that is actually going to buy the gun, have it registered under their name, pays to be certified CCW isn't the ones you have to worry about. Why would they spend that much money to just commit a crime?

Here is the deal. A criminal is what he/she is... a CRIMINAL... they wont pay for any of that shit. Also, if the Government happens to finally take the guns away from civilians, a criminal will still be able to get their hands on firearms. A criminal wont care because they are planning on breaking the law anyway.

Last but not least, the Government wants us all to be sheep. They want us to follow them, no questions asked. They already think they own everything we have.
If they happen to take our firearms away, they WILL turn into a tyrannical force that we a nation wont be able to anything about.

Just my $0.02.

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My now very, VERY ex-friend has a CCW and a number of handguns. One day he pinned his wife against a wall, held a pistol to her head and threatened to blow her brains out.

In front of their 3 children.

He then tried to kidnap his youngest son. He was arrested, charged with several felonies, but managed to plead to some. Sort of misdemeanor and is still in procession of all his handguns and CCW.

I don't like to bring up personal experiences, as they are only anecdotal evidence, but this particular event seems to very effectively argue the "need not fear" mentality when it comes to people who have registered firearms and are "trained" (any moron monkey can get a CCW. Let's be realistic here, it's NOT hard to do).

As an FYI, this is not the reason that I'm not in favor of handgun ownership. I was opposed to such long before. This event just happened to ruin a life-long friendship.

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You can trade the word guns for knife and the phrase blow her brains out for slit her throat and you'd have the same argument. You argued earlier that guns are not comparable to vehicles or other life hazards because they're man made and can kill you. The same is true for archery, sword fencing, and martial arts.

Unless you can qualify why it's unique and not comparable, the vehicle comparison still applies. One can have the same scenario with a vehicle as your friend did with his firearm. It can be used irresponsibly to kill people and there are people on the road who are a danger to everyone yet still have driver's licenses. The system's not perfect, but I would rather maintain my liberty then have it stripped away because of the misdeeds of a minority.

I don't have much more to say on the subject unless someone wants to keep talking about it in case you want to close the thread.

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God, I KNEW that would be your argument.

He didn't hold a knife to her head, despite the fact that this happened in their kitchen, with several knives on hand. Instead he went to the bedroom, unlocked he safe, loaded his pistol, and then came back into the kitchen to hold it to her head.

A knife is a tool with many uses. A hand gun is a weapon which has one, single use.

Fencing is a sport in which nobody is ever killed. A hand gun is a weapon made to kill another person.

Martial arts is a means by which to defend one's self with their bare hands and feet. A hand gun can slaughter a room full of people without ever coming into contact with them, and in a matter of seconds.

Archery was conceived as a means by which to hunt more effectively. It of course has been used as a weapon. It takes a great deal of training and skill to become an effective archer, and I've yet to see a news reel of some kid walking into his/her school and destroying dozens of lives with a bow and arrow. A hand gun can be wielded in a deadly manner by anyone who can pick it up. Point at crowd, pull trigger.

I feel that I've already very clearly identified the differences between a handgun and EVEEYTHING you've compared it to.

In the end, comparisons are a useless argument anyway. What difference does it make if a watermelon could be dropped off a 10 story busing and kill someone below? The point is that it doesn't happen, and if it did, not to the degree that kids walk into schools with their daddy's machine gun and kill dozens of innocent people. The comparisons only exemplify the lack of a logical argument for the ownership of deadly weapons. An effective argument cannot be based on either speculation or (and I mean no offense here) nonsensical analogies/comparisons.

amiga1200:
??? wow!
mind you, at least you guys compose yourselves far better than assembler games, and shanmue dojo.
at least you can have a 'convo' (of sorts) without ban hammers from cliques flying about, respect +1! ;D
...
now my stance on firearms:
it's been stated counless times, the weapons don't just 'up it' and fire off by their own volition.
peoples are my issue, firearms wouldn't be required on my end otherwise.
it's this simple:
live and let live is my outlook, but stray into my domain uninvited, or try to steal from me, i have NO qualms dumping at point blank range three rounds of a browning 50 caliber AP rifle, and reload, and take out ANY sheoples that try to fuck my out of my own stash, i DON'T abide by mob rule, nor do i involve myself in the paltry affairs of others.
as such, i'm left alone, i leave them alone, nobody knows what i own, nobody gets hurt, winning. :D ......is my outlook.
we have no legal recourse to defend ourselves from home invasion, that's why i can't tell the difference between a 'copper' (filth) or a civvy, one is paid to be a shit, the other survives by it.
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stuff. :P

wiggy:
Feeling as though murder is justified should an uninvited person simply step into your house and that you abide my a "mob mentality" is honestly a bit terrifying to me. And not just murder, but to absolutely decimate a person.

Again, the guns don't scare me, people like you do.

amiga1200:
;D good BE scared, i don't give a fuck.
strange coming from somebody in the land of ultimate self-safety, and yet, i can't get a tool, RICH! :D
...
i'll put it to you this way, in england, we play for keeps, the robbers don't fuck about, they know the stakes, and risks.
how would you like it if i busted into you house UNARMED?
i'm CERTAIN my bare hands will enjoy taking up the slack.
making a point.
if some FUCK breaks into my home, they obviously mean biz, as do i.
their life, or mine.
i'm buzz all-done, and that's a wrap. ;D
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keyboards. ;D

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