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Gun control and such.
FritzWhite:
--- Quote from: Polygon on February 09, 2016, 11:53:59 PM ---I'm a strong supporter of the 2nd Amendment. Without it the others just become privileges. The biggest reason to stand behind the 2nd Amendment is for protection against tyranny be it from our own government or an invading government. That is why I own guns and why I support that other law abiding citizens do. Personal defense is simply a side benefit. But in reality I've only ever used my guns for recreation. Thanks goodness. I hope that's all I ever use them for.
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I agree with the principle, but there is no band of citizens capable of stopping the US government if they decided to take your guns by force. They'll win that battle every time. It happened in New Orleans a few years back and it could happen again.
Polygon:
--- Quote from: FritzWhite on February 10, 2016, 02:15:58 AM ---I agree with the principle, but there is no band of citizens capable of stopping the US government if they decided to take your guns by force. They'll win that battle every time. It happened in New Orleans a few years back and it could happen again.
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I can assure you that if the government were to try and confiscate guns on a large scale they wouldn't have the complete local law enforcement and military behind them. So, yes. I do feel that if all gun owners stood up we could overthrow the government if they decided to do something drastic. Sure, it would be a very bloody civil war and I'm sure it would drag on for quite some time but I don't think it's out of line. I pray that never becomes a reality.
segamer:
--- Quote from: Polygon on February 10, 2016, 10:48:47 AM ---
--- Quote from: FritzWhite on February 10, 2016, 02:15:58 AM ---I agree with the principle, but there is no band of citizens capable of stopping the US government if they decided to take your guns by force. They'll win that battle every time. It happened in New Orleans a few years back and it could happen again.
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I can assure you that if the government were to try and confiscate guns on a large scale they wouldn't have the complete local law enforcement and military behind them. So, yes. I do feel that if all gun owners stood up we could overthrow the government if they decided to do something drastic. Sure, it would be a very bloody civil war and I'm sure it would drag on for quite some time but I don't think it's out of line. I pray that never becomes a reality.
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Ummm... That wouldn't happen. The United States has a $680 billion budget for it's miliary. LOL!
segamer:
2nd Amendment of the United States "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
The second Amendment was intend to give, the Militia's of the United States, the power to bare arms as they were comprised of the average citizen. The second amendment doesn't protect guns; it protects arms. Arms can be a knife, a club, a rock, a sword, a gun, a rocket launcher, a tank, a nuke, etc...
If I we had an amendment that said, "Being 21, the age of adulthood, it is the right of the people to drink alcohol." Most people would say, you have the right to drink at 21. With the second amendment, most gun enthusiasts ignore the first part of the amendment and they ignore the fact that it doesn't say guns.
At the time, when the second amendment was crafted, the United States didn't have its own military. A "tyrannical government" was considered those outside the United States as we were fighting the British who were trying to control us. Seeing how, we the people of the United States, are the Government (as we use elected officials to represent our views); the ideology wasn't intended to attack ourselves. I won't comment further more on this topic. I support gun ownership. However, there are extremists an both ends.
tiktektak:
Wouldn't it also be problematic that in the case of a civil war the authority still would have the much bigger guns. ;D