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| FritzWhite:
--- Quote from: Arseen on February 09, 2016, 08:40:58 AM ---https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate Organise by homiside, suicide or accidental US is high ranking. --- End quote --- If someone wants to kill themselves, I don't see what the problem is. Everyone has a choice in their destiny. I don't have a problem with respecting a person's rights to choose (their own destiny). Suicide is not the right choice in my eyes, but it doesn't matter because I'm not them. As for homicide, Palmer hit it earlier when he mentioned that with a gun ban we're not necessarily going to see a decrease in the number of homicides overall. There's no data to support the notion that the homicides won't still be committed. They will, the only thing that will change is the weapon. If someone is unable to safely operate a firearm, there are a lot of other ways they can be a danger to themselves or others. The risk of me having an accident with my firearm is ZERO. --- Quote from: monjici on February 09, 2016, 11:15:19 AM ---I would be interested to cross-check these stats with the social programs in each country. A wise man once told me that where there is less poverty (helped by social programs), there is less crime. Since crime fighting cost a lot of money, I don't mind that money goes to social programs instead. But that is a whole different topic :) --- End quote --- Social programs can be great for helping someone with the desire to help themselves. It's great to see help go to someone truly deserving that needs a helping hand, but it's also very aggravating to see bums abuse the system. --- Quote from: sheep2001 on February 09, 2016, 02:33:04 AM ---I swore I wasn't going to post in here.........But if guns were outlawed, and the majority of bad guys didn't have them, why would the good guys still need them? An awful lot of gun crime in the US is committed by good guys who suffer some sort of mental episode. Or by a family member who takes the gun. If the gun wasn't there - these multiple murders wouldn't happen. If your argument is that your gun is locked away, yada, yada, yada, then how can it be for self/home defence. If I lived somewhere where I was so concerned for the safety of my family, that I had to have a weapon, I would move. Whatever the cost. Although I really do think that the protection argument is just lip service. How many of you have actually pulled a gun, on someone already threatening you with a gun, and not been shot first? In 2014, deaths by terrorism in the US were 18. Deaths by gun crime 8,512. Yet American (and global) media is constantly scare mongering over the terrorism threat, but don't even want background checks for gun registration. ??? ??? ??? - and pair that with the figures that in countries with tighter gun control, there is lower gun crime rates, I just don't get it. I will never get it. I don't want to get it. Just to be clear, I have no problem with the pro gun people, it's just a difference of opinion. One which were all entitled to. (But you're all wrong. Lol) ;) --- End quote --- If guns weren't there... nobody would be shot. Sure sounds like a nice ideal, right? But how do you propose this can work practically? If guns are outlawed, then who's going to turn them in? Honest citizens or outlaws/criminals? That fact ALONE ends the argument for me right there, but let's look at some countries with heavy gun restrictions or outright bans that also share borders with other countries (not counting Austraila, Japan, etc...) like Mexico. In 2013 the United States' firearm-related death rate was 10.64 deaths for every 100,000 inhabitants, a figure very close to Mexico's 11.17, although in Mexico firearm deaths are predominantly homicides whereas in the United States they are predominantly suicides. Consider that Mexico has over 3 million legally registered and owned guns in 2012. 3 million registered guns sounds like a lot until you consider that the population of Mexico is 122 million. By comparison, the US has 270 million guns registered and a population of 319 million, yet we have a lower rate of gun death than Mexico. http://www.mexidata.info/id3856.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States Also, Mexico isn't the only strict gun law state in which innocent civilians were gunned down by fantatics. I know if I were in France a few months ago that I would have wanted to be armed and have had a fighting chance rather than be hopelessly slain by ISIS. Ideally, after I acquire my concealed carry weapon (aka CCW) license, then I'll be able to keep my firearm on me and truly be prepared at all times. You mentioned never being in a life or death situation and it doesn't matter if you've already been in that situation or not. Life or death, you don't get another chance to prepare or consider an alternative approach because it's game over. It CAN happen and it's a real situation that DOES happen every single day, even in 'nice' areas. That alone is reason enough to prepare. |
| Arseen:
--- Quote from: FritzWhite on February 09, 2016, 04:06:33 PM ---I know if I were in France a few months ago that I would have wanted to be armed and have had a fighting chance rather than be hopelessly slain by ISIS. --- End quote --- That is probably the most idiotic thing that anyone here as ever said. Think what would have happened if random people would have returned fire in crowded places. The death toll would have been way higher. As for Mexico vs US... pretty much 3rd world country with corrupted goverment with gangs running wild vs one of the leading 1st world country with quite well working policy force... desperate comparison. Compare US and Canada... And for only good people turning guns in if they were illegal... that is so lame excuse. Just cease and destroy as much of them as possible, and make getting new ones hard, with huge penalty for possession, and great reward for returning guns or reporting them. They will eventually quite fast run out. |
| palmer6strings:
This is seriously getting fucking dumb guys. First off, if you don't live in the country being spoke about at hand, then your opinion is really invalid. Not trying to be an asshole but it's true. Second, why should my rights be taken away just because my neighbor doesn't like it. You know, dogs kill people too, let's just outlaw them. "But Palmer, you're comparing apples to oranges, blah blah blah..." No I'm really not. I own quite a bit of firearms that's never killed or hurt anyone. And there is a way higher percentage of people that is the same as me. Same goes for dogs. There is a high percent of dogs that hasn't hurt anyone. But yet there are a few that have killed people. So yeah let's outlaw them. You know, gays, rapists, assholes, druggies... They all helped the spread of STD's that slowly kill people. Let's all revoke their rights. Oh but wait, we legalized gay mairage, can't not let everyone be happy about gays but we can piss people off about guns! Third: most drugs are illegal here in the states. Look how many motherfuckers still do them. How well did the law work there. Answer me that. ^--- If you think this all sounds dumb. Just look at yourselves sitting here arguing. Get a grip. Watch this go ignored just like everything else I say, most of you all are my friends but alls I see are a bunch of babies right now. |
| Megatron:
I like to protect my games by putting them in UGCs or SHadow Fox cases. Keeps the dust out, and allows me to display some nice artwork. I'd say the games are pretty well protected in there from most drops, falls, or other minor accidents. :D |
| sheep2001:
--- Quote from: palmer6strings on February 09, 2016, 05:05:33 PM --- ^--- If you think this all sounds dumb. Just look at yourselves sitting here arguing. Get a grip. Watch this go ignored just like everything else I say, most of you all are my friends but alls I see are a bunch of babies right now. --- End quote --- Only one person throwing toys..... ::) Oh, and your logic that legalising gay marriage helps spread std's........you win the dumbest comment on the internet award for the day. Congratulations. ::) And by your logic of non US natives not allowed an opinion on US gun control, I hereby declare you no longer to have an opinion on gay marriage. Unless you swing that way of course. Then it's all good. |
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