Gun control and such.

[FritzWhite]

What facts are you referring to that I didn't just address?  I'm not walking away from anything. You tried to argue with me last year and back then you also referenced your career to lend yourself credibility. You're regurgitating the same stuff. Is that what you do in your day to day life every time you get into it with someone?

 "I'm a behavior health therapist from San Diego, blah, blah..."  Get some new material already; you sound stale.

I know you're probably hovering over your keyboard right now, breathing heavily and clicking refresh, but I have stuff to take care of so I can't respond as quickly.

I bring up my credentials not to brag or showboat (it's not something that brings in the money, if that's what you think).  I do it because I have credibility.  I'm not some guy with an opinion and a google search bar.  You presented BS facts, and I called you out on it.  Now instead of admitting you got overzealous with your opinion, or offering actual facts/information on the subject, you attack my character.  Which means you have little or nothing to actually back up anything you say.  And the only reason I actually continue on with this, is because I find it funny to hear what others have to say when they're angry.

You haven't presented any facts or information other than the fact that guns are already getting across the border and that there's a difference between partial and total disarmament. I don't feel any comfort over that information with regard to a potential gun ban (I don't care if it's partial, that's only a precursor to total disarmament).

[FritzWhite]

What facts are you referring to that I didn't just address?  I'm not walking away from anything. You tried to argue with me last year and back then you also referenced your career to lend yourself credibility. You're regurgitating the same stuff. Is that what you do in your day to day life every time you get into it with someone?

 "I'm a behavior health therapist from San Diego, blah, blah..."  Get some new material already; you sound stale.

I know you're probably hovering over your keyboard right now, breathing heavily and clicking refresh, but I have stuff to take care of so I can't respond as quickly.

I bring up my credentials not to brag or showboat (it's not something that brings in the money, if that's what you think).  I do it because I have credibility.  I'm not some guy with an opinion and a google search bar.  You presented BS facts, and I called you out on it.  Now instead of admitting you got overzealous with your opinion, or offering actual facts/information on the subject, you attack my character.  Which means you have little or nothing to actually back up anything you say.  And the only reason I actually continue on with this, is because I find it funny to hear what others have to say when they're angry.

One final thing, twice you've brought up your profession just while arguing with me. TWICE just with me. Also, last year YOU attacked MY character claiming I probably made less than $20 per hour and wasn't nearly as educated as you on whatever topic you're on about. Now that you're called out on it you feign the victim of character attack and cop out an excuse of talking shit because you enjoy getting a rise out of people.

[Megatron]

I think you have selective memory...but just in case, here is a link to the previous discussion...

http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=18235.msg163930#msg163930


We were arguing our opinions, you made your points, and I made mine.  (Thanks for the memories, BTW. I had fun scrolling through a bunch of old posts-no sarcasm implied).  This topic, you stated the cartels would be an issue, when there is zero evidence to back that up.  Period.  You can harp on me all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong.   

[FritzWhite]

I think you have selective memory...but just in case, here is a link to the previous discussion...

http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=18235.msg163930#msg163930


We were arguing our opinions, you made your points, and I made mine.  (Thanks for the memories, BTW. I had fun scrolling through a bunch of old posts-no sarcasm implied).  This topic, you stated the cartels would be an issue, when there is zero evidence to back that up.  Period.  You can harp on me all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you were wrong.   

If they're already freely smuggling across the border, then how is this NOT an issue in the event of a ban, partial or total? This seems like an obvious problem. I'm not sure I understand your argument.

[larryinc64]

So this whole topic has been tl;dr for me, but to jump in the fire. . .

I personally prefer non lethal options, the ability to be judge, jury, and executioner all in the motion it takes to use a laser pointer (point and shoot) seems wrong, there are reasons courts and jury exist. So tasers, pepper spray, metal bats, whatever. So if a mistake is made, it's not fatal. Whatever force can subdue a threat versa make it not a living thing anymore.

I think with whatever amendment 'bare arms' is in, times have changed from when it was written to modern day, also the needs of defense are different depending on how populated your area is/ safe overall.  

I think owning a gun should be like owning a car, getting a license you have to take a test and learn proper gun safety, cleaning it, how to handle one in the house with young kids. A gun n the hands of a responsible, rational adult is fine, but not everyone is. Look at all the public shootings, and stuff like the Trevar Martin case. People are stupid and irrational, and owning a gun is a BIG responsibility.

I do think the world would be a better place without guns, but the world is not a perfect place, The world sucks. 

[Arseen]

I love how ARSEEN started this "fire" 

No, I no start it... I just separated it from other topic so people can read or ignore this better.

[Arseen]

So tasers, pepper spray, metal bats, whatever. So if a mistake is made, it's not fatal.

 

[FritzWhite]

Just Cause 
https://defdist.org/

Very cool how far technology has come. What styles do you train in for MMA and one more question: McGregor or Dos Anjos?

[amiga1200]

ShadowFox gets a brewery's worth on me.
see you at the mess!  
it's strange over here in limey-land, we're destined to repeat what fascist do, and in all truth, WE fuckin taught the likes of hitler and stalin how to do it'right', and the sad fact is, many of my so called neigbours consider themselves enlightened enough to justify mobbing somebody out of their home (family too) and hack em up in a feild, just to remind who's in charge, or maybe they didn't like the difference?
seriously, UK is fucked up, balkanized to the gills, kafka-esque style bullshit, and if we (as a slave to the money/military machine) have the temerity to so much as disagree with the status-quo, we're 'terrorists' and grounds to mob em in public, hack em up, trophy the fuckers body, and rule supreme.
it's frightening, that we as a nation, that if firearms were all of a sudden legalized, we'd just assault london and wipe out the a head of the hydra, or get population controlled doing it.
and i'm not certain where our military stands these days, they like their job too much, and as for the police, well, that's a given.
though hats'-off to the minority of good police that actually go by the spirit of the law, not by it's power and benefits.
...
our cvt's are one of the same, most global (and regional) BLOODY AS FUCK conflicts are orchestrated by old money, the same.
THIS IS ACADEMIC, THAT TRUTH IS KNOWN!
so it comes down to this:
they kind of folks that know the stakes, and risks.
and what kind of soul they are.
is that:
1, truly neutral, don't give a fuck, but sure as shit wouldn't dream to encroach on somebody without provocation.
2, a truly good citizen, but they generally have to do bloody shit that most in cushy areas won't do.
they are FAR from law enforcement i'm referring to here, but ordinary folks that got sick of getting ass fucked by the gvt/bank/law/neighbour and decided they and their children wanted to BE/LIVE in a SAFE (live you life, don't butt into others) world and WILL do what it takes....WIGGY!   (not me, i don't have the army, or firepower, but my bare hands DO like a bit of 'tactile' action every now and then, just to remind me how fuckin MORTAL i truly am.)
3, or a profiterring FUCK (like most) who DO jump at the chance to subjegate their neighbour for power, profit, and PRIZES!   (who the fuck is gonna even complain or stop a group regardless of 'societal' standing if they just turned over a house MOST VIOLENTLY for it's goods, the victim is unknown, has no family or friends, but it's fine, it;s okay for them to be disposed of and made examples of for DARING to have no bloodline, and having property. serving their purpose for the british monarch)
...
i'm not afraid of the hitlers, the stalins and the mauists, i'm afraid of the masses that hallucinate them into power and so do their bidding.
i'm not afraid of some psycho with a mustache, i'm afraid of the masses that believe them to be authority.   (unknown)
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corrections. 

[Kovorkian]

...
I personally prefer non lethal options, the ability to be judge, jury, and executioner all in the motion it takes to use a laser pointer (point and shoot) seems wrong, there are reasons courts and jury exist. So tasers, pepper spray, metal bats, whatever. So if a mistake is made, it's not fatal. Whatever force can subdue a threat versa make it not a living thing anymore.
...

 All of these things CAN kill someone,  it's called Less Lethal   not Non leathal

Nothing is guaranteed.

Not to take sides  but a lot of people in this thread need to educate themselves with regards to both sides of this topic.

   Marijuana is a Class 1 controlled substance in the United States.  THIS IS A FEDERAL CLASSIFICATION      Federal law trumps State law which in turn  trumps local laws (ordinances).

 A class 1 controlled substance is deemed to have NO MEDICAL value / uses.  thus it is not allowed to be prescribed.

and how easy is it to get marijuana?


Fast and Furious Gun running issue.   research and learn.


Firearms do not work like the movies. they are not point and click.  There is the weight recoil. trigger pull,   and they make noise!

 If you want to kill a lot of people in a crowded area without being noticed  2 good stabbing knives coated with anti-coagulents (anti-clotting agents)  [e.g.  rat poison several snake venoms]

A lot of children this year killed themselves / parents with unsecured firearms.

People have killed loved ones while cleaning a firearms because they were too confident in their handling ability.

 
tl;dr   Where there is a will,  there is a way.  also Accidents do and CAN happen to nearly anyone.  Educate yourself before making opinions, especially if they are based off these horrid news stories that tend to be very WRONG about facts.

 

[amiga1200]

  (some of us need to 'get educated' on both side of the subject. maybe some ARE!)
...
in case it isn't clear to some, THIS is an ETHICAL and MORAL debate, not what the capacities are about.
a nuke can't do shit unless primed, it's just a lump of frozen death, harmless.
the peoples trigger them.
heh, and 'federal law' HAH!
one of my problems on my side, and i'm in england.
ya see, federal law applies to the CORPORATION of amirica, it just happens to benefit you, and it's NOT by design.
and it's very much related, but the federal (non gold backed) reserve answer to masters outside your country, and mine, and THEY are a division of the global cabal, and many are starting to wake up to it.
question is, what is will happen?
we ALL know what the end-game is, and it's not in our interests as humans that's for sure. 

[Kovorkian]

Ethics and morals from the guy that said to attack police on not only this thread but another as well?

As for morality,personally it boils down to two phrases: 

Latin:   Mors Tua Vito Mea  (Pardon any errors due to rustiness)  translation   your death my life.

And one from an old friend:  It is far better to be judged by twelve complete strangers than carried by six close friends.

Ethics:  I agree with Shadowfox's "common law".  There is more I would add / specify  but it is fairly good as is, without typing a novel.

[amiga1200]

^^ that's absolutely fair.
and thanks for the latin pieces, not familiar with them, but do make perfect sense.
and yeah, i did, ALL bets are off regardless of 'character' that rush me, that VERY much includes the FILTH, i mean the STAZI, sorry, SPETZNATZ, the police.
why should they be granted dispensation just for wearing a uniform, and to top that, they also have extra rights over us as peoples.
kinda hard to be on equal terms in the face of that.
still, as stated, whatever the human coming at me like a bat out of hell, one of those latin phrases are certain to come into play.
oh, i'm the kind of person that will end up carried, some of us are wired that way, just won't fold to authority blindly.
there's two WW's to back that shit up. 

[KalessinDB]

Virulently anti-police *and* convinced of a global illuminati?

Wow we've just found the first person that makes me wish this board had an ignore function.

[amiga1200]

^^ you're the one making it about them, i just stated they're truly actually an EQUAL to a measure of resolve.
as for illminutty,  wish.
wouldn't be on the net with losers, like myself, i'd just be calling the shots and making this world a MUCH open wider place.
that's what i be doing if i was loaded like kissinger, or turner.
throwing in with the big-guns.
is that what you wanted?
i'm certain it is.
afaic, a police-person is a person.
if you fold to them, i'm afraid of folks that fold to authority blidly, they helped oven and gas chamber a race, and caused massive bloodshed.
that's what happened to those who.
1, totally disarmed.
2, handed their power over to the gvt.
3, a minority ends up calling the shots.
4, a curfew is established for a part of society considered to be traitors by the ruling elites.
5, a massive PROPAGANDA campaign to dehumanize.
6, the final solution is put into action.
^^ THAT is what happens when we treat coppers as gods, but what scares me to the core far worse, are the public lackeys looking to assist em for favor and a reward.
maybe even just to avoid suspicion?
who knows?1
but it's THAT kind of person who folds to the whims of the state, blindly carries out their orders (cry about it in the haig when rumbled) willfully, and so destroys society for their sake of state permitted survival.
...
this is how i see SHEEPLES:
a quote from bender the robot from futurama: please don't kill me, here have my friends and family, just give me one more second of sweet, sweet life.
that's what most folks come across to me as.
and if you want to ignore, go for it.
tirn off the computer, and do other stuff.
guns and weapons of ANY kind protect ME (us as folks) as a concept.
they stop me getting hauled away in a box car waiting to be made into a product of some kind.  
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DOH!
you're half-right.
i'm anti ANYTHING that blindly aligns with a mob force, and as for a gobal conspiracy, it's a given, why we're in dire straits regarding economy.
and i guess that the evidence lies in other countries having direct influence over others.
(CFR, bildeberg, WHO, i can go on)
so yeah i suppose, a global elite calls our right to survive on their planet.  
i wonder who funded the WW's?
i know, but do you?
and yes, they were one of the same. (a bush name comes to mind atm, but that's ll.) and that's academic.
oh, project paperclip was slap in all our faces, please tell me that never happened, along with MKultra, and about a zillion other crimes against humanity, crimes against their own citizens.