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September 23, 2015, 01:54:02 PM
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Polygon

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Anybody here doing this? I've been thinking of doing this to backup my PC games by creating ISOs and storing them on a hard drive. The ever looming threat of disc rot has me concerned. I'd like to also  do it with all my console games.

September 23, 2015, 02:11:33 PM
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I haven't ever had a problem with my original discs not performing due to deterioration.
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September 23, 2015, 02:59:40 PM
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I was laughing when I first heard that CDs can rot, but it seems that these are not going to last forever afterall.
If you google that, seems like a pretty serious issue for very long term storage.

September 23, 2015, 03:22:10 PM
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I understand that everything deteriorates after time. I just don't feel it's necessary to do for myself. Only speaking for me though. It is kinda a good idea so I'm not knocking it. Do whatever makes you feel better is all I can say.
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September 23, 2015, 03:54:35 PM
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I looked up disc rot to get myself up to speed.  A good general rule is to store cd's in moisture controlled areas just like any other electronics or say, comic books.  If you wouldn't store your vintage Xmen collection there, then don't store your cdrom games there either.  On the backup note, I do understand wanting to have a copy of some of your favorite games.  (My Xbox 360 copy of The Orange Box is no longer readable by the drive), so yes, I don't see that being an issue.  I remember reading that solid state drives will 'hold' info longer, so maybe that's a good option.
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September 23, 2015, 04:21:16 PM
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But you'd need modified hardware to play any backup, and in some cases to even make a usable image.

Also, in today's society, there are already images of pretty much everything out there.

September 23, 2015, 04:41:14 PM
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But you'd need modified hardware to play any backup, and in some cases to even make a usable image.


That's right, completely forgot about that!  Most of my systems are modded, so I don't think about that much.  Funny thing though, ALL of my PS1 games are real, and I have 2 modded PS1's, lol.
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September 24, 2015, 01:51:23 AM
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I cant find CD-R's that work well with modded ps1's. I tried verbatim but half of the discs i burn fail to verify and don't play right. But they work great for dreamcast games.

September 24, 2015, 07:59:44 AM
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I cant find CD-R's that work well with modded ps1's. I tried verbatim but half of the discs i burn fail to verify and don't play right. But they work great for dreamcast games.

I have a modded Ps1, I will see later which cds I use. But I only have two burn cd games the others are original

September 25, 2015, 09:28:38 AM
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All media will degrade over time. How long will optical media last? That remains to be seen. The people currently having issues with disc rot I think are examples of poor quality control rather than actual degradation of the disc. But it will happen eventually. And with hard drives, solid state or magnetic, are cheap and large. And it's easier to keep them backed up and not have to worry about data loss.

But you'd need modified hardware to play any backup, and in some cases to even make a usable image.

Also, in today's society, there are already images of pretty much everything out there.

For console games, that true. I know I want to do it for PC games for sure since no modifications would be required. But it would still be nice to have backups of everything for peace of mind. I've never liked relying on other sources to backup any of my data or trying to find an ISO if I had to. Plus, who knows, access to a disc press might be simple a cheap in time and then you wouldn't have to modify the consoles to make the images work.

September 26, 2015, 02:29:30 PM
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But you'd need modified hardware to play any backup, and in some cases to even make a usable image.

Also, in today's society, there are already images of pretty much everything out there.

This. It's often easier than backing up your own games.


I cant find CD-R's that work well with modded ps1's. I tried verbatim but half of the discs i burn fail to verify and don't play right. But they work great for dreamcast games.

You mean that modded PSone, right?  I tested it with a handful of burned discs with no issue.  I really don't tend to pay attention to brand when I buy them. I just grab whatever's cheapest and I haven't had any issues yet aside from one batch of CompUSA brand discs about 15 years ago.


All media will degrade over time. How long will optical media last? That remains to be seen. The people currently having issues with disc rot I think are examples of poor quality control rather than actual degradation of the disc. But it will happen eventually. And with hard drives, solid state or magnetic, are cheap and large. And it's easier to keep them backed up and not have to worry about data loss.

But you'd need modified hardware to play any backup, and in some cases to even make a usable image.

Also, in today's society, there are already images of pretty much everything out there.

For console games, that true. I know I want to do it for PC games for sure since no modifications would be required. But it would still be nice to have backups of everything for peace of mind. I've never liked relying on other sources to backup any of my data or trying to find an ISO if I had to. Plus, who knows, access to a disc press might be simple a cheap in time and then you wouldn't have to modify the consoles to make the images work.

Backing up media with something that's far less stable than the original media just seems self-defeating, and I honestly can't think of any means by which to store data which is more stable than optical discs. They can be left on top of the biggest sub-woofer you could ever buy without losing an iota of data, you can take em in the bathtub with you if you'd like, and lack of write-ability ensures that you never accidentally format it or delete something you need/want.


I know. It won't ever be commercially available or viable unless they completely change the process by which they're manufactured, and there's absolutely no reason to since there's already a consumer product (recordable media) which is suitable for 99% of anybody's purposes.  If you take a look into the process involved, you'll see that it's about the same as someone making injection molded plastic parts in their house.

Not to mention that you'd need access to original files/tools in the instance of PS1 games, as they all contain a patch of corrupted data which can neither be duplicated with a CD-R, nor can it be read and stored with a CD burner, which served as their copy protection. It can only be pressed into the disc, and it's required for a non-modified PS to accept the disc as original. Seeing as there is no way to extract that exact bit of corrupt data, even having your own press would be of no use beyond what any old CD burner can do.
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September 30, 2015, 02:56:52 PM
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Backing up media with something that's far less stable than the original media just seems self-defeating, and I honestly can't think of any means by which to store data which is more stable than optical discs. They can be left on top of the biggest sub-woofer you could ever buy without losing an iota of data, you can take em in the bathtub with you if you'd like, and lack of write-ability ensures that you never accidentally format it or delete something you need/want.


I know. It won't ever be commercially available or viable unless they completely change the process by which they're manufactured, and there's absolutely no reason to since there's already a consumer product (recordable media) which is suitable for 99% of anybody's purposes.  If you take a look into the process involved, you'll see that it's about the same as someone making injection molded plastic parts in their house.

Not to mention that you'd need access to original files/tools in the instance of PS1 games, as they all contain a patch of corrupted data which can neither be duplicated with a CD-R, nor can it be read and stored with a CD burner, which served as their copy protection. It can only be pressed into the disc, and it's required for a non-modified PS to accept the disc as original. Seeing as there is no way to extract that exact bit of corrupt data, even having your own press would be of no use beyond what any old CD burner can do.

True, hard drive are far less stable than optical media. However, backing up on hard drives is cheap and easy. Plus I have all my data backed up in three different locations. So, with the hard drives longevity and space aren't really an issue. I just worry about people seeing these disc begin to fail. Now, that's to say these discs are failing because of poor manufacturing or manufacturing defects. We still don't know how long optical media will truly last.

Sure, pressing optical discs is not cheap or easy. I was thinking of someone like you offering services of pressing discs for a niche market what will eventually exist. As for PS1 discs, I wasn't aware of that. Very interesting for sure.

October 01, 2015, 11:23:06 AM
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not sure if its the same but i have music cds that are close to 30 years old at this point, stored in  a cool/dry environment  that still work like the day i bought them , i dont think  game cds or dvds are all that different as long as you dont abuse them they sshould last at least as long