Modern good games that actually suck?

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OhhNoYouNintenDidnt:

Or.........is it simply that we idealise the past?

How many times have you heard the phrase "they dont make em like they used to"?.

Ie: does your father/grandfather, whoever, say things like "Well, in my day films/music/art was soooo much better".

So in terms of games and gaming, people in their mid-late 20's and 30's are the first real generation where gaming at home was a norm for for them growing up, so we are the first generation really experiencing this idealisation of our past in this form.........whereas it always happens with every generation thinking that the art of their youth was more creative, more original and generally better than whatever "the kids think is good these days".

Some early morning (well, for me and Euro people, lol) food for thought. ;D

palmer6strings:
From a musicians standpoint, music is only getting worse as you say, because the people that pour their heart and soul to make it sound different and exciting get looked over because their technicality isn't understood well enough by musically ignorant people... Whew that was a strange sentance. I've been doing the music thing for over 15 years and I tell you what. If people weren't so dumb (in a music sense) to realize that AC-DC and Miley Cyrus (amongst many many others) was actually trash that uses literally no talent, My band and I would be famous millionaires already.

I'm not sure where you are looking at your art, but I still see many amazing art peices made still today. Sure you have to look through a lot of crap, but it's still there.

I'll just put it this way. I'm a very artsy person. I have a very technical mind and am an extremely deep thinker.

I write, build, make, think, examine all sorts of things everyday.
But enough about that...

Sure people do want familiar when familiar is actually good. But the vast majority of actual gamers want a little old mixed with a lot of new. Destiny or example had a great opportunity to be a freaking amazing game but the developers/Activision failed to make it that way. And I do mean failed...

What I mean by my rant is that the developers actually overlooked many things that could have made the game great.

I could spout off many great games from every system but by next year the games that have been released within these last 2 years will be forgotten.

So all in all I'm actually agreeing with you. The last 5-10 years have sucked pretty bad. The only thing I'm I'm gonna disagree with is that games have not held out the longest... Video games have only been around for about 40 years when 90% of all other art forms have been popular for 1000s of years.

OhhNoYouNintenDidnt:
True about games not being around as long as the other art forms/entertainment industries but I guess I just meant that games have "held out" against the tide of post-modern infiltration sucking the life and creativity out things........how long a particular art form has existed does not come into that, as what I feel is the problem simply permeates throughout whatever culture and art is around at the time, regardless of how well established and long running it is.

As for your point about game developers missing the opportunity to bring REAL gamers what they want, that is where I see the issues associated with pure risk based thinking come in......as when they can push a game, push the boundaries of what form games take, it becomes too "risky" from a financial point of view and so the safe road is taken.

The worse thing is, that when games do push the boundaries, try and do change things up (either through innovation or incorporating old classic forms)............those games inevitably do not do well! lol........sure, people like us here will buy them and hail them as something great but the vast majority of consumers will find it "confusing" and "weird" and want the old safe familiarity of FIFA/Madden and CoD.

That for me is the dirty little secret of the gaming world..........we (as in gamers who give a crap about things actually developing and improving in real creative ways) can sit here and say this is all going to crap but at the end of the day, we are the vast minority..........look at sales figures each year for gaming overall, the games that push boundaries do not do anywhere near as well as games that repeat the same formulas over and over.

I think the Wii U is fascinating right now from this perspective........as, given its vast under appreciation (regardless of whether it is valid or not), I can see it becoming heralded as a true classic in 15-20 years time, and not even really because it IS a true classic but purely because people will realise that it was the only system trying to do things different during a time when NOTHING was trying to do things different.

That is always what Nintendo is about, and why they will always have a share in the market and attract the most passionate and dedicate followers.........I mean christ, who follows and is as passionate about Playstation and Xbox etc. as they are Nintendo?

In the end, like you said with your experience of trying to operate in the music industry (sorry about that by the way but you are at least trying your damndest to fight back!), trying to do things differently will be largely unsuccessful in the present day you are trying it.........as most great art is only ever appreciated after the fact! once people realise the fallacy of the shit they are shovelled day to day.

Right, Im late now!..........will look forward to engaging with some replies when I get home later on! ;D

palmer6strings:
I don't know what else I can really say without sounding like a broken record really.

Everyone has an opinion on what is good or not, but I just feel like the quality is missing from games.

Not all games that go away from cookie cutter get lost though. I'm going to throw out Minecraft and Terraria. Two games that took casual gaming to a new level. They can be as easy as you want or as extremely hard/complex that you want. The graphics are made to look the way they are so it's hard to say if they are a tually good or bad. Gameplay though is fantastic. There is no story, just build and survive.
My hear games are loved by hundreds of thousands of people. And at the same time looked over by people that are just all about the graphics and I've even been told that by people.

Not that I want all games to be like that, that would get awfully boring. But there is games that could be made that they just don't anymore. Megaman, Metroid, an actual chrono trigger 2 or secret of mana...

I'm just saying. I could toss out a crapload of games.

wiggy:
This is the same old song that EVERYONE sings at some point.

There are plenty of great titles in the last couple of generations, and I'm sure there are plenty more to come for the current generation.

Every generation has a massive glut of pure shit, it's just so forgettable that, well, everyone forgets about it and instead sing the praises of the titles which were good. The N64 is a great example. That system got hated on. Absolutely hated on for its pitifully small library which was/is totally lacking in many big genres such as RPGs, original/exclusive 3rd party titles, etc. But now the Gen Y kids are old enough to have nostalgia for it, and guess what? "It's teh bestest system evar!"

Music, movies, literature, art, and so on. For every Van Gough, John Lennon, Kubrik, there are at least 20 nobodies who churned out some crap that nobody remembers or cares about. Nothing has changed.

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