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March 19, 2015, 12:28:21 AM
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palmer6strings

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Is it just me, or is all these new games that are coming out that have all this hype actually actually crap?

About 90% of these games that get a crapload of positive reviews and are put on this extremely high pedestal by the publishers AND fanboy/girl gamers really bother me, because I'm all like "HEY! This looks like it might actually be a good game!" Then to my not so much of a surprise anymore, I buy it and it blows dick...

Examples:

Destiny... This game is the biggest, stinkiest pile of shit I've ever played in my life. Sure the graphics are good and the controls are alright. Other than that I had the game beat in less than 10 hours. I currently have over 200 dreaded and painful in it due to the fact that everyone on my friends list always wanted to play it. Why?? I have no freakin clue because the story (or lack there of) sucked. I don't care if they are going to make the game last 10 years. I don't want to play a shitty game that long just to know what the fuck is going to happen.
Also, to actually have a little bit of fun, you have to grind all day to MAYBE get what you were hoping to get due to the pull the lever at the slot machine physics of the game.

Battlefield Hardline... Again the graphics are good, controls are good, multiplayer sucks ass. I was lead to believe that matches would be like actual cops and robbers... No sorry it's not. It's like every other freaking FPS out there. I was at least hoping for a good coop campaign but that isn't there either. Plus the ge seems very limited. That wall that's only 3 feet high... Ya you have to walk around it... Come on I mean wtf.

Dragon Age Inquasition... The graphics, gameplay, and controls are good. The story is ok but I feel like I'm lost half the time and it just gets boring. Multiplayer is very lackluster. I was at least hoping again for a coop campaign. Let down again.

Almost every game for the wii I have bought is a letdown. No need to actually point out games...

I could go on forever but I'm not... Instead I will give one example of a game that was extremely underrated.

Fantasy Life for the 3DS. This was an amazing game. Simple but OMG it was and still is fun as fuck. Over 200 hours in this game also but I was always having fun. Never felt letdown except for the fact there never was an actual English released stratagy guide.
Game informer gave this game a 6... But will give NFL2K84620204947 a 9.5 out of 10... Seriously. What the actual fuck.

Why is everyone so damn hooked on graphics?? Sure they make a GREAT game better. But that's it. It doesn't make a bad game good. I'm so tired of wasting my money...

Thankfully there is a few good games like Resident Evil revelations 2 that I'm already having a blast with or I would just go ahead and chuck all my new gen systems of my roof and pee on them.

Ok, now that I got that out of my system, I'm sorry for the long rant. These are my feeling, I don't care your opinion is the same as mine or not. Just needed the release.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 01:01:21 AM by palmer6strings »
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March 19, 2015, 12:52:34 AM
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I agree, although I'd say it's more around 75% or so, since there are some games this gen that (I think) really stand out.  But I know what you mean.  Fore every great game we get, there are 3 or 4 Assassins Creed Unities.  Almost everything is a remake, sequel or "HD Remastered" of a game that came out two years ago.   

March 19, 2015, 01:04:04 AM
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That's pretty much this generation in a nutshell.

AC:Unity, Ryse, Sunset Overdrive, Drive Club, The Order: 1886, Watch_Dogs, Thief, The Crew, The Evil Within, Resident Evil 6, Dungeon Keeper iOS and pretty much anything Final Fantasy are among the biggest examples of games that had tons of potential, hype and everything going for it and were either 'meh' or just... bad. Really really bad.

Then there's the obvious we-all-knew-it-coming games like Rambo and Sonic Boom, which surprised no one but hey - still showed just how bad this gen is.

Almost all the good games of this gen have just been regurgitation of old games. It's pretty damn sad when the best games we have are a remake of Resident Evil, a remake of Grim Fandango and a remake of freaking Last of Us. They're re-releasing DmC of all things. DmC! That's how desperate they are.

I've never seen so many kids suddenly getting into retro gaming, and for once it's not just a bunch of hipsters trying to look cool - they really are desperate for games that are actually, ya know - GAMES.
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March 19, 2015, 01:11:28 AM
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Which is a very good point. And it makes me very glad I never sold off all my games when I was a kid. (Wouldn't be here if I wasn't a classic gamer right!? Lol)

But ya, I mean I will admit I have liked the Assasin's Creed games though it haven't played any past 3.
But I think for new home consoles, I haven't found a game I just absolutely loved. The last game I did love was Dragons Dogma. And that's been longer than you think.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2015, 01:25:41 AM by palmer6strings »
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March 19, 2015, 02:51:05 AM
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Is it not the same with all artistic and creative forms though? games have actually held out the longest but think about it =

Art (as in actual art art) = disappeared from the cultural space due to a lack of originality and relevance.
Music = has been re-hashing, re-packaging and generally getting worse creatively for the last 25 years.
Film = Remakes anyone? remakes? yeah.........remakes.
Games = remakes........FIFA and CoD year after year are the top selling games.

The point being, people like us see it and dont like it.......but the fact is, familiarity sells!!! the music, movies and games that are the same old tired crap sell the most! people do not want change as we are so full on insecurity on a societal level that we have to revert to states where old familiar comforts are the only things that can allay the ontological fear.

EVEN WE ARE DOING THIS!!!.......we arent being original or "different" here.........retro gamers are doing the exact same thing, its just that we are doing not doing it directly through consumer cultural purchasing or engaging with current trends that make us feel safe, we are simply reverting back to old ones from our youth.

Hmmm, sorry, this topic just sparked my political mind...........this my friends, is both the result and crisis of post/late modernity.

Creativity has been consumed by fear, and not just "ohh, fear, yeah, fear the terrorists" but fear in all walks of life.......we are a society that assess all things through the risks they represent (of course, all societies do and have to an extend), so when a music producer, film maker, game developer is trying to convince investors of the merits of their creative, original concept, and those investors turn around and say something "Ok.....but what are the numbers on that? what can you project will be our profits?", what does that developer say when he doesnt have those numbers.

So what does he do to appease investors? he makes things more formulaic and akin to things and formulas that produce sales......THEN he can show those investors projections.........THEN his new and "improved" project is green lit.

Neo-liberal consumer capitalism my friends........its a beautiful thing.........and is the reason we are stuck in the cultural void of repetition and banality.
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March 19, 2015, 03:07:02 AM
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Or.........is it simply that we idealise the past?

How many times have you heard the phrase "they dont make em like they used to"?.

Ie: does your father/grandfather, whoever, say things like "Well, in my day films/music/art was soooo much better".

So in terms of games and gaming, people in their mid-late 20's and 30's are the first real generation where gaming at home was a norm for for them growing up, so we are the first generation really experiencing this idealisation of our past in this form.........whereas it always happens with every generation thinking that the art of their youth was more creative, more original and generally better than whatever "the kids think is good these days".

Some early morning (well, for me and Euro people, lol) food for thought.  ;D
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March 19, 2015, 03:21:57 AM
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From a musicians standpoint, music is only getting worse as you say, because the people that pour their heart and soul to make it sound different and exciting get looked over because their technicality isn't understood well enough by musically ignorant people... Whew that was a strange sentance. I've been doing the music thing for over 15 years and I tell you what. If people weren't so dumb (in a music sense) to realize that AC-DC and Miley Cyrus (amongst many many others) was actually trash that uses literally no talent, My band and I would be famous millionaires already.

I'm not sure where you are looking at your art, but I still see many amazing art peices made still today. Sure you have to look through a lot of crap, but it's still there.

I'll just put it this way. I'm a very artsy person. I have a very technical mind and am an extremely deep thinker.

I write, build, make, think, examine all sorts of things everyday.
But enough about that...

Sure people do want familiar when familiar is actually good. But the vast majority of actual gamers want a little old mixed with a lot of new. Destiny or example had a great opportunity to be a freaking amazing game but the developers/Activision failed to make it that way. And I do mean failed...

What I mean by my rant is that the developers actually overlooked many things that could have made the game great.

I could spout off many great games from every system but by next year the games that have been released within these last 2 years will be forgotten.

So all in all I'm actually agreeing with you. The last 5-10 years have sucked pretty bad. The only thing I'm I'm gonna disagree with is that games have not held out the longest... Video games have only been around for about 40 years when 90% of all other art forms have been popular for 1000s of years.
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March 19, 2015, 03:42:32 AM
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True about games not being around as long as the other art forms/entertainment industries but I guess I just meant that games have "held out" against the tide of post-modern infiltration sucking the life and creativity out things........how long a particular art form has existed does not come into that, as what I feel is the problem simply permeates throughout whatever culture and art is around at the time, regardless of how well established and long running it is.

As for your point about game developers missing the opportunity to bring REAL gamers what they want, that is where I see the issues associated with pure risk based thinking come in......as when they can push a game, push the boundaries of what form games take, it becomes too "risky" from a financial point of view and so the safe road is taken.

The worse thing is, that when games do push the boundaries, try and do change things up (either through innovation or incorporating old classic forms)............those games inevitably do not do well! lol........sure, people like us here will buy them and hail them as something great but the vast majority of consumers will find it "confusing" and "weird" and want the old safe familiarity of FIFA/Madden and CoD.

That for me is the dirty little secret of the gaming world..........we (as in gamers who give a crap about things actually developing and improving in real creative ways) can sit here and say this is all going to crap but at the end of the day, we are the vast minority..........look at sales figures each year for gaming overall, the games that push boundaries do not do anywhere near as well as games that repeat the same formulas over and over.

I think the Wii U is fascinating right now from this perspective........as, given its vast under appreciation (regardless of whether it is valid or not), I can see it becoming heralded as a true classic in 15-20 years time, and not even really because it IS a true classic but purely because people will realise that it was the only system trying to do things different during a time when NOTHING was trying to do things different.

That is always what Nintendo is about, and why they will always have a share in the market and attract the most passionate and dedicate followers.........I mean christ, who follows and is as passionate about Playstation and Xbox etc. as they are Nintendo?

In the end, like you said with your experience of trying to operate in the music industry (sorry about that by the way but you are at least trying your damndest to fight back!), trying to do things differently will be largely unsuccessful in the present day you are trying it.........as most great art is only ever appreciated after the fact! once people realise the fallacy of the shit they are shovelled day to day.

Right, Im late now!..........will look forward to engaging with some replies when I get home later on!  ;D
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March 20, 2015, 12:59:21 AM
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I don't know what else I can really say without sounding like a broken record really.

Everyone has an opinion on what is good or not, but I just feel like the quality is missing from games.

Not all games that go away from cookie cutter get lost though. I'm going to throw out Minecraft and Terraria. Two games that took casual gaming to a new level. They can be as easy as you want or as extremely hard/complex that you want. The graphics are made to look the way they are so it's hard to say if they are a tually good or bad. Gameplay though is fantastic. There is no story, just build and survive.
My hear games are loved by hundreds of thousands of people. And at the same time looked over by people that are just all about the graphics and I've even been told that by people.

Not that I want all games to be like that, that would get awfully boring. But there is games that could be made that they just don't anymore. Megaman, Metroid, an actual chrono trigger 2 or secret of mana...

I'm just saying. I could toss out a crapload of games.
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March 20, 2015, 04:03:08 AM
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This is the same old song that EVERYONE sings at some point.

There are plenty of great titles in the last couple of generations, and I'm sure there are plenty more to come for the current generation.  

Every generation has a massive glut of pure shit, it's just so forgettable that, well, everyone forgets about it and instead sing the praises of the titles which were good. The N64 is a great example. That system got hated on. Absolutely hated on for its pitifully small library which was/is totally lacking in many big genres such as RPGs, original/exclusive 3rd party titles, etc. But now the Gen Y kids are old enough to have nostalgia for it, and guess what?  "It's teh bestest system evar!"

Music, movies, literature, art, and so on.  For every Van Gough, John Lennon, Kubrik, there are at least 20 nobodies who churned out some crap that nobody remembers or cares about. Nothing has changed.

March 20, 2015, 06:30:36 AM
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speculation. All roads always lead to the same cause: intellectual property. Hence, all problems end up at the same perpetrator: U.S.A.
Nintendo has the audacity to assume that it should own the constitution of an Italian guy with a mustache named, of all possibilities, Mario. Not to mention a red-cap and a wrench (now they own the concept of plumbing.) U.S.A. grants copyrights for common knowledge which defies the expression "intellectual" + "property". AC/DC is a great example. Everyone should know the expression "Have a drink on me". AC/DC writes the lyrics and purposely selects common expressions associated with the concept. AC/DC, then, files for copyright protection of the lyrics. Now they asume that they own drinking terminology. Interesting. Um, NOT intellectual. Non-professionals will post here all day unless they understand the difference betwixt owning a copmany versus working for a company. Summarization: law and politics. <- full stop.

oh well, it may never change. On with the show ...
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March 20, 2015, 07:46:46 AM
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Out of current Gen I have WiiU.

PS4 and XB1 have no good nor interesting games.
Some driving games maybe, but... Nah not yet.

And on WiiU only game I loved and seriously want sequel is Lego City Undercover.
Hyrule Warriors is OK too, but gets repetive fast.
Super Mario 3D world was not 3D but 2.5D tube runner. Nice game like the other 2 2D Marios on ther console. I want "real" 3D Mario like Super Mario 64!!!

I'm glad I still have my NES and SNES with butload of games and repros are still made.

March 20, 2015, 08:32:00 AM
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Out of current Gen I have WiiU.

PS4 and XB1 have no good nor interesting games.
Some driving games maybe, but... Nah not yet.

And on WiiU only game I loved and seriously want sequel is Lego City Undercover.
Hyrule Warriors is OK too, but gets repetive fast.
Super Mario 3D world was not 3D but 2.5D tube runner. Nice game like the other 2 2D Marios on ther console. I want "real" 3D Mario like Super Mario 64!!!

I'm glad I still have my NES and SNES with butload of games and repros are still made.

I'm pretty much this way (except I don't have a Wii U.......yet).  The only game that interests me for the PS4 or XB1 is the new Metal Gear Solid game which was also available for the PS3.  I'm also a huge Grand Turismo fan, but GT6 was only released for the PS3, so I'm still covered there.  I'm sure some day, there will be enough games for me to take a look, but I'm in no rush right now. 

But I really want to get a Wii U.  I counted at least two dozen games that I would be interested in getting immediately with the system. 
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March 20, 2015, 12:12:35 PM
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My Xbone I have about 15 games for and to me everyone is good and worth the cost.  Some people hold games to a high standard and that is fine with me but a lot of good games are sleeper hits and over looked this way IMO.
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March 21, 2015, 02:29:50 AM
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I'm glad that people feel the way they do about their new systems but I really just wish I could have all my money back.

I've been very disappointed.
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