Author Topic: Youtubers Upset over Nintendo's New affiliate program  (Read 941 times)

January 31, 2015, 04:50:12 AM
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I have no idea who this guy is, but his video kept popping up when researching this.  He explains it pretty well.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pewdiepie-unhappy-with-nintendo-s-youtube-ad-shari/1100-6425005/

January 31, 2015, 04:50:28 AM
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Larry, I am referring to Nintendo's new Share Plan the "Nintendo Creator Program".  This is a youtube thing - but it is mostly Nintendo, as they are the ones deciding the monentary split.  Nintendo has long been a difficult IP to use and "this" is their plan to rectify that...although despite looking interesting on paper it screws the content creators.  Nintendo has announced a new share plan to feature content creators who use their IP in their videos.  Essentially it's a registration act. 
"In order to earn the money, YouTubers can register specific videos or entire channels with Nintendo. Individual videos can earn 60% of advertising proceeds, and registered channels can earn a little more—70%."

As I have said, other Publishers have similar things...but with a 90/10 split, not 60/40.  And the 70/30 split means that you register with Nintendo ALL of your videos.  Meaning they take 30% of everything you put up, even if it doesn't have their content in it.
The second plan is probably for people who only do Nintendo videos. You get to choose what plan you do. I'm not sure if anyone will use it, other than for the extra 10%. I'm not sure of the other developers programs, I don't have ads on so I never looking in too deep.

I never herd of the old version of the plan, I guess no one cared because Nintendo was not claiming anything so there was no intensive to split. It was take all and don't join, or join and get less. I'm just guessing, I never heard of anyone using it in the past. I remember when many people were complaining about Nintendo claiming videos and at this point there was no option to split, 100% of ad revenue to Nintendo no matter what, then they stopped for a while, and then recently it started happening again in the last month, then this was announced.

It's YouTubes fault that fair use videos are being claimed, due to how the way the system is set up where it is automatic and no one checks if it is fair use, Nintendo's hands are not completely clean. We won't know for sure until I hear their response to fair use. There have been issues with other developers where YouTube was claiming videos they did not want claimed.

Also I just realized there is now someone/ some people at Nintendo who's sole job is to watch Let's Plays and approve them.

January 31, 2015, 04:52:33 AM
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I have no idea who this guy is, but his video kept popping up when researching this.  He explains it pretty well.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/pewdiepie-unhappy-with-nintendo-s-youtube-ad-shari/1100-6425005/

That's Boggie2988, I mentioned him many times.
I would not be a subscriber to him if it was not for Nintendo, and his videos on Amiibos  :P

I disagree with his video, i'll go into it later. I need sleep. it is 5AM

January 31, 2015, 05:01:14 AM
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Also, nobody is belittling anybody here. We're a respectful community of adults that share similar passions and interests. Saying that people with opinions different from yours don't know what they're talking about sounds close to criticism and passing judgement to me, but to each their own.

DO you know what you're talking about?  From what I have read in this thread, and on the internet in general, I'd say most of the posters have stated they have very limited knowledge about the subject and are either Nintendo white knights, or just picking a side based on their limited knowledge.  Some have even said they don't care about youtube creators and they shouldn't be making money on this. 
This isn't a criticism necessarily, but if you don't know what you're talking about then you can have an opinion, but it is not an EDUCATED opinion.  It's like someone hearing something from a friend fro ma friend from a friend.  By the time the information gets to you, it is so diluted that often it's just a shadow of what it once was (see the telephone game).  And, unfortunately, those opinions make up the majority of people

As I said, you are entitled to your opinion.  But as I also said, once you voice it, I am entitled to belittle you or anyone else for having that opinion.  And you are entitled to belittle me for mine.  God bless free speech, right? 

And you may ask - doesn't that hurt your cause or dilute your argument?  That you would belittle someone over having an opinion about NINTENDO GAMES AND YOUTUBE!? 
This isn't about youtube.  This isn't about Nintendo.  This is about rights and freedom to do things without having big business or government step in to take it away.  Everybody loves watching AVGN or Egoraptor or PewDiePie until they find out they make more than you do.  Then there's a twinge of jealousy.  That stirring of "get a real job".  And the utter entitlement feeling that youtube creators shouldn't be paid - it's just youtube.  Yet people still enjoy their FREE entertainment.  They still laugh at AVGN's shit jokes.  They still watch Gamegrumps.  They still listen to reviews, and look up walkthroughs and let's plays when a game gets too tricky.  But the guy working for $13.75 an hour, or the 16 hour foreman who puts in blood and sweat into his work, all they see are a bunch of kids talking into a camera and making money because of it.  "Get a REAL job."
It's the people who look down on others and judge them for what they do - who don't value a form of work or entertainment because it isn't what they consider to be "a career."  And if you're OK with Nintendo taking a cut - then start to think about the clothes you wear to work.  If Dockers or Haggar or Levi start taking a cut of what you make because you wear those clothes to work.  Or if you're in sales, your barber wants a cut of your check because he makes your hair look good, and statistics show that the more attractive the seller, the more likely the sale.  I mean, after all, you ARE showing off their work and making profit because of it.

Look, if you know about this stuff, and still side with Nintendo, then that is your choice.  If you have no idea what this is and don't really care (and you actually decided to read this rant anyway), then keep on trucking.  But if you don't know what you're talking about, and adamantly ague against because you feel youtube isn't a real job, or they are not entitled to be rewarded for the hard work they put it, then you are a part of the problem.  This is the equivalent of the guy on his couch who thinks that "invading" is always the answer to diplomatic disputes.  Or the parent who refuses to discipline their child and expects the school to make sure their child learns.  Or the people who hide behind religion to complete acts of terror.  Don't just have an opinion.  Know WHY you have an opinion.

It's getting late bud, so I'll write one more and then I'm going to bed. It seems like you're not really focusing in on any specific issue related to the topic at this point, but instead are dancing around with things like education and motivation. It's late now so I understand.

You don't have to stretch yourself to win any arguments here or worry about being belittled because I disagree with you. If you want to wave your degree around like some flag you can, but I'd think of it less as an argument that you need to win and more as a friendly discussion of ideas. This is a safe place. It doesn't take a master's to talk about this and all the stuff regarding your resume and being a highly educated social justice warrior is bit of a detour from the real topic, admirable as it is that you want to make the world better.

The topic at hand is how you feel about folks making less money for videos on a website that doesn't belong to them commenting on content they didn't create. It doesn't so much inspire me with jealousy as you suggest, but neither does it spark any kind of outrage in me either. It doesn't take a PHD to see that this isn't going to ruin free entertainment as we know it. So a couple kids might have to go get a real job and do their videogame videos on the side. Big deal. AVGN isn't going anywhere and the talent will find a way to rise to the top like they always do.

Comparing clothing to copyright infringement is just silly, no offense. That particular argument doesn't warrant a thoughtful response.

I'd imagine that grilling someone that disagrees with you about their education would cause some to question themselves, but a lot of things we've discussed, except for SOPA and copyright infringement laws which you kindly linked, are pretty well covered by common sense. I'm not really interested in a roll about politics, child rearing, and world diplomacy, but I'm sure there are plenty of other that will have a go. Have a good night (morning) bro.

January 31, 2015, 05:02:36 AM
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You mentioned a lot of people.  lol  I have like 15 guys I subscribe to, one of them being Segamer.  So my youtube watching experience is pretty isolated.  Mostly due to lack of time.

Nintendo announced the program in 2012, but it wasn't scheduled to come out until this year.  That was the plan.  Claim everything, then offer this back to the people.
Going back to what was said earlier, now that Nintendo has control, they can decide what goes and what stays.  You bad mouth Mario Kart 8?  Nope.  Not getting posted.

January 31, 2015, 05:04:39 AM
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I am going to email Nintendo and get some answers on what Nintendo considers fair use, I see the program guided at Let's Plays and not at reviews. I could be wrong, and if I am, then my opinion on the program will change.


I would have no problem with this.

And Fritz, I am not directing this at you, we've interacted before and you're a cool guy, but rather I'm referencing people on the internet as a whole.  And when you build a career working in politics and fighting overbearing legislature, you tend to develop a bit of an argumentative personality
Thanks man, you're alright too.

January 31, 2015, 12:51:11 PM
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You mentioned a lot of people.  lol  I have like 15 guys I subscribe to, one of them being Segamer.  So my youtube watching experience is pretty isolated.  Mostly due to lack of time.

Nintendo announced the program in 2012, but it wasn't scheduled to come out until this year.  That was the plan.  Claim everything, then offer this back to the people.
Going back to what was said earlier, now that Nintendo has control, they can decide what goes and what stays.  You bad mouth Mario Kart 8?  Nope.  Not getting posted.
I din't think that will be the case. Nothing in the terms of service contract I agreed to says you can't say anything bad about Nintendo. Maybe you can interpret 'objectionable' but that owuld not fall in well this the list of other things.
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Engage in any discriminatory, defamatory, libelous, hateful, harassing, abusive, obscene, threatening, physically dangerous, unlawful, or otherwise objectionable conduct in relation to the Content or the Nintendo Creators Program;

My videos have fairly heavy cursing, I wonder if they will be ok. I'll know probably tomorrow or Monday.


This is one of the two.
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February 02, 2015, 06:07:44 PM
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oh man, i'm late to the party/fight.  I'm gonna have to make me a coffee, read up on this and watch all your guys' videos to get what's going on here.  You can make money off of you tube by talking about videogames?  And nintendo is trying to take their cut if you are talking about their games?  Is that what this argument is about?  Needless to say TLDR thus far but ima change that!

February 02, 2015, 06:27:04 PM
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TL;DR:
People using Nintendo footage and music in YouTube videos in reviews and Let's Plays, and making money off ads. Nintendo and YouTube are using the content ID system to match and take ad revenue from videos using certain games. Nintendo launched the Creators Program to split ad revenue with content makers. YouTubers pissed off they have to pay for using Nintendo's Copyrighted material, some with merit (Reviewers protected by fair use) some without (Let's Players where fair use does not apply or is in a grey area)


I have a Let's Play channel and have no problem with sharing ad revenue, I see it as a licensing fee.

February 03, 2015, 12:44:13 AM
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#ThanksObama

No?  Not his fault?  I'm too busy to have an educated opinion regarding this subject so I'll just keep my mouth shut.  I spent my book learnin' time in academic areas other than law, and simply use TCP for the awesome artwork!  I guess I can see both points of the argument presented in this thread; but then again I try to live my life in the gray area.  It's kinda like Patrick Swayze's (in Donnie Darko) attempt to categorize everything as Love/Fear.  Man, there's a whole bunch of other emotions between those two!

February 03, 2015, 12:51:41 PM
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I (don't) have an educated opinion regarding this subject so I'll just keep my mouth shut.

If only more people did this, I'll admit I have a limited knowledge of the law, but I have some experience with YouTube.


February 03, 2015, 03:34:57 PM
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after doing a little research, I agree with Nintendo on this one. According to an article published by Spiegel, one man rakes in around 4 million euro. What? no wonder big mouths are opened wide about this one: they want to keep raking in cash.

"der laut "Wall Street Journal" rund vier Millionen Euro im Jahr verdient"
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/let-s-play-videos-nintendo-will-an-den-werbeeinnahmen-mitverdienen-a-1016514.html

as far as youtube goes, i am clueless about ad revenue. I never realized how many people are making money from stupid videos. wow!

I'm mostly shocked that anyone watches let's play videos. I find them to be quite lame. The person playing is always awful. The players always miss tons of items and secrets. I hate listening to the voice-overs. Always some annoying idiot with a bad voice. yikes! I am really amazed with this entire subject. I still cannot believe that anyone would pay for ads on a let's play video. interesting.

I learn something new everyday...


February 03, 2015, 03:50:29 PM
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I'm mostly shocked that anyone watches let's play videos. I find them to be quite lame. The person playing is always awful. The players always miss tons of items and secrets. I hate listening to the voice-overs. Always some annoying idiot with a bad voice. yikes! I am really amazed with this entire subject. I still cannot believe that anyone would pay for ads on a let's play video. interesting.

*caugh*caugh* *caugh*caugh*

My favorite Let's Play series tend to be the ones that are more podcast than "ECH DERZ A SCAWY ROBOT BEAR" Not saying Power Plaid Plays never falls into that, but I try to avoid that.  :P

A great example of the more podcast like ones is Let's Drown Out by Yatzee, of Zero Punctuation fame, and Gabe. They are not even playing the game in many videos, they just talk over footage one of them recorded earlier and get into very interesting conversations.

As for my channel, I really want to take it in a direction of original scripted content. Some VG related, some not. The reason I'm mostly doing LPs right now is A) It's fun to make, I'm playing games with my best friend and adding some fun edits to it, and B) (This is also why they are so popular) They are quick to make and bring in a ton of viewers. This also pushes people bringing in this kind of views up the promotion ladder on YT, due to how YT calculates it based on viewer retention.

A average PPP episode takes a day to make, Scripted content takes much more effort and time. Time I don't currently have between school and work. An animated video 5 minutes long can take weeks to months.

February 03, 2015, 05:05:26 PM
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Larry, you are an exception. I'm not including you in my thoughts. You are a fellow TCP member and you contribute alot here. I'm sure that you make good videos. I promise to watch some of your videos. I wish you success. Meantime, i'm just amazed that someone could possibly earn 4 million euros by simply playing a game.

My opinion does't matter anyway. I don't work for Nintendo or YouTube/Google. Alot of TCP members dislike me for various reasons, so who cares what i think? I was just shocked at that amount of money for a video. Maybe i'm jealous. LOL. Anyway, i'm off to work on some projects...

Have a great day everyone and Happy Gaming.

February 03, 2015, 05:27:30 PM
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Larry, you are an exception. I'm not including you in my thoughts. You are a fellow TCP member and you contribute alot here. I'm sure that you make good videos. I promise to watch some of your videos. I wish you success. Meantime, i'm just amazed that someone could possibly earn 4 million euros by simply playing a game.

My opinion does't matter anyway. I don't work for Nintendo or YouTube/Google. Alot of TCP members dislike me for various reasons, so who cares what i think? I was just shocked at that amount of money for a video. Maybe i'm jealous. LOL. Anyway, i'm off to work on some projects...

Have a great day everyone and Happy Gaming.

No bad feelings, I was just joking ;)
There are a lot of bad let's plays out there, and it is a skill to make good ones.

Let's Plays are much harder to do than podcasts, because you have to focus on the game, and keep up a conversation. The reason people on LPs have ether bad commentary or miss everything is that they have to divide their focus. I started recording episodes in 2013, and I went back to edit and old episode and find our older commentary pretty bad. I'm putting a lot of work in to edit what we are saying to something consistently funny. I also find I'm much worse at games when I'm recording for the show. I'm editing a Super Mario 64 series right now, a game I'm normally very good at, and I'm sucking hard.
Same with my Mario Kart 64 and Double Dash episodes I posted, but that one had more of a comedic effect.