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August 26, 2014, 11:11:22 AM
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TheBlueEditor

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I just wanted to know what is the best video upscaler to 1080p for any console like the NES-Wii. I want the image to look clean and neat while not losing anything. Can anyone help?

August 26, 2014, 11:16:10 AM
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The Best upscaler for Wii games is a Wii U.

For old games, it's a Retron 5.

or

Buy scart cables and use a scart to HDMI converter. That is my opinion.

August 26, 2014, 12:31:06 PM
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Upscaling won't do a bit of good unless you're getting an RGB, component, or maybe s-video signal out of it. Garbage in garbage out is the phrase I think. Just get the best video output you can and let your TV handle it.

August 26, 2014, 12:37:20 PM
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If you have the cash, XRGB Mini is the way to go.

I'm currently saving up for one, but be warned, you will be spending around $400. It's really expensive, but it seems to be the one everyone else recommends.

Here's a vid of it in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnMWDEzJv3Q

You could go for a SCART-to-HDMI thingie, which was my first plan, but many people have recommended against that. It is a lot cheaper, but if you are American, can get confusing. Make sure you get a SCART cable that supports NTSC - if it doesn't say it, it probably doesn't.

August 26, 2014, 01:15:44 PM
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If you have the cash, XRGB Mini is the way to go.

I'm currently saving up for one, but be warned, you will be spending around $400. It's really expensive, but it seems to be the one everyone else recommends.

Here's a vid of it in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnMWDEzJv3Q

You could go for a SCART-to-HDMI thingie, which was my first plan, but many people have recommended against that. It is a lot cheaper, but if you are American, can get confusing. Make sure you get a SCART cable that supports NTSC - if it doesn't say it, it probably doesn't.

I am also saving up for an xrbg mini. Got the cash now just looking for the best place to buy.

August 26, 2014, 03:56:40 PM
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This is not an upscaler, but looks promising... I hope it's going to be like the GC component cable.

http://www.hdretrovision.com/snes/

August 26, 2014, 03:56:57 PM
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I know its probably not the answer your looking for lol, but have you thought about using a emulator on pc.  For instance I have been playing a lot of Gamecube games on pc with Dolphin emulator, and it actually increases the native resolution (4x!). The game looks crazy good, way better than it would have ever naturally.   Plus I enjoy being able to quick save/load, esp on older games before save was invented. But almost all of the emulators (sega/snes/nes/psx/psx2/etc) have some form of upscaling. My pc is hooked to my tv by hdmi, and they all look awesome.

August 26, 2014, 04:32:22 PM
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I know its probably not the answer your looking for lol, but have you thought about using a emulator on pc.  For instance I have been playing a lot of Gamecube games on pc with Dolphin emulator, and it actually increases the native resolution (4x!). The game looks crazy good, way better than it would have ever naturally.   Plus I enjoy being able to quick save/load, esp on older games before save was invented. But almost all of the emulators (sega/snes/nes/psx/psx2/etc) have some form of upscaling. My pc is hooked to my tv by hdmi, and they all look awesome.

Most people hate the joys of emulators for upscaling.  Personally I've been using it since Bleem! on PSX, works amazingly well upscaling 3D games.

August 27, 2014, 12:27:55 AM
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August 27, 2014, 01:24:37 AM
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So no one would recommend this?  ???

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008S7EYW2/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00

What, you really expect people to use composite? Like a peasant?

j/k... but seriously, composite is the lowest of the low.

August 27, 2014, 01:28:48 AM
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So no one would recommend this?  ???

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008S7EYW2/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00

Problem with that one is it's using almost the lowest form of video which is composite or the "yellow connector" video. You really want to use RGB being it's un-encoded raw video signals in their purest form from older video game consoles.

Upscaling game systems to HD is an investment. If you really want to have a clear picture that is pixel perfect, save up some money, get all the cables required and buy XRGB Mini which is the best when it comes to upscaling older game systems, even newer ones such as the Wii get wonderful results.

A good place to start learning about the XRGB Mini is the review of the unit over on Retrogaming Hazard and see what the unit can do. Lot's of information on what each type of system looks like and how it preforms with video signals.

http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/framemeister.html

Of course pictures aren't justice enough, luckily a few guys on YouTube upload a few direct HD captures from the device that you can view on your HDTV to see if it's worth the money.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1vatA4_Q6IyPYGXHG1lkEg/videos

Also search "xrgb capture" on YouTube to see more results.

And a video that just got posted a few days ago explains the differences between the video signals and what RGB can do for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43dzrCAfU3A

Another great place for information is the junkerhq wiki page with settings and lots of info.

http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB-mini_FRAMEMEISTER

Of course an upscaler wouldn't be complete without cables. In the United States we got the short end of the stick when it comes to RGB compatible TV's so to achieve that RGB signal, you have to purchase European cables known as SCART cables along with one adapter to allow use with the XRGB's Mini RGB port and another to use the D-Terminal on the back for Component Video or YUV. Some of the best cables I've ever used have always come from Retro Gaming Cables, lots of shielding and quality, some even better than first party solutions.

http://www.retrogamingcables.com/

Finally, a little research is needed to see what systems can output what. Most classic game systems can output RGB natively, and only a handful need to be modified to output RGB. Some systems can only output S-Video or Composite at best but thankfully those are systems like the Atari 2600 which look fine using S-Video. A good place to start for that information is Retro RGB which covers most of the popular systems and their capabilities along with SCART switches and more:

http://retrorgb.com/systems.html

I know it can be a lot to take in but once you see the difference those three colours can make, and learn the terms you will never go back to that old yellow composite cable that looks blurry and horrible on modern televisions.
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