Author Topic: Has anyone had a crack at printing their own boxes?  (Read 372 times)

June 04, 2014, 08:06:18 PM
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JakeHC

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Hey everyone

I recently bought some repros from eBay and they're great, but I find that the box quality is a little lacking, whether it be from typos or whatever. I was wondering if anyone has had a go at printing their own? And how they turned out?

I'm considering it only for my snes games just for something different for my collection but I only have the two. Or I could just use the covers on here and put them in vhs cases as I have done with my n64 games. But wanting to try something new :D

June 05, 2014, 08:42:28 AM
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Sammickk

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I AM REALLY WANTING TO DO THIS!!  So Far what I've gathered on this topic is,
  • A good Media is 12pt Glossy Card stock, 14pt would be better but you would have to move to commercial printers for this.
  • you can grab a template of the the NES and other boxes with the correct folds already marked made for both A3(smaller size) and A4(larger Size) size paper sizes A4 being the better one for NES so you only have one glue seam like real NES boxes. SO this means a Wide format Printer will be Needed such as a canon Pixima pro-100 (Excellent SALE on this month!! 378 with 200 dollar rebate!!) 
  • PRINT! ok this is where i'm stuck, I have yet to buy any printer because we tried this with a kodak photo printer, and the ink just seemed to lay on the paper without absorbing into it!! wtf??? someone said we need to go to printing preferences and change the media type, but now we are out of out sample pieces  of cardstock to try. Please if anyone has had any experience or success runs with this please shed some light!

I would Really like to not waste the money on a printer if it just simply can't be done with that printer. Also there is literally NO information out there on this, but i know it can be done cause i see brazillians selling them on ebay.

June 05, 2014, 10:56:42 AM
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I'm sure my comments will be misunderstood and may offend some people who think I'm an arrogant bastard, but in the words of the great Ron Jeremy, "Fuck 'em", I like being helpful, and this is something I've had experience with in the past.

There's two main types of printer inks, dyes and pigments, generally only black is dye or pigments, the colors are almost always dye based. Pigment pings do not stick well to glossy and are good for use on matte paper.   It's not just the ink though, but also the paper itself.  Some will pretty much only accept dye inks.  So what I'm betting happened to you, most of the colors looked ok, but the black was all bubbled and washed out?

To make it worse, the pigment blacks come in two types, an MK and PK.  It's mostly Epson printers that use these, the PK is for photos, the MK is for matte.  The PK has extra to make it stick to photo better, but that means less ink for the page.

Now for the trick: depending on the printer, some printers use a pigment black for text\matte, and a dye black for photos, OR, mixes the other inks into a black. This is sometimes controlled by the paper type options, so selecting photo\glossy MAY cause it to print using the colored dyes, depends on the printer.

June 05, 2014, 11:08:57 AM
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what about using a laser printer ? :)

June 05, 2014, 11:20:49 AM
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JakeHC not misunderstood at all ma boy thank you for the valuable input. YES that is exactly what happened to the black, the box we tried to print was the super Mario brothers game box which is black surrounded by mario shooting the fireball with blue blocks, the familiar shot we all know. while some of the colors did come out ok the black really was a mess, BUT we did not select glossy paper though and now i know we should have. whether this will totally fix it or not i dont know.  Jake if u will please, look at this printer and tell me if you think this will do the trick. http://www.amazon.com/Canon-PRO-100-Professional-Inkjet-Printer/dp/B0095F5BCS/ref=cm_cd_al_qh_dp_t

June 05, 2014, 11:23:28 AM
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what about using a laser printer ? :)

From what i've been told the laser printers are bad at picture quality. Can someone confirm this? and another bigger con is the Price vs inkjet


June 05, 2014, 01:23:49 PM
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I'm sure my comments will be misunderstood and may offend some people who think I'm an arrogant bastard, but in the words of the great Ron Jeremy, "Fuck 'em", I like being helpful, and this is something I've had experience with in the past.

There's two main types of printer inks, dyes and pigments, generally only black is dye or pigments, the colors are almost always dye based. Pigment pings do not stick well to glossy and are good for use on matte paper.   It's not just the ink though, but also the paper itself.  Some will pretty much only accept dye inks.  So what I'm betting happened to you, most of the colors looked ok, but the black was all bubbled and washed out?

To make it worse, the pigment blacks come in two types, an MK and PK.  It's mostly Epson printers that use these, the PK is for photos, the MK is for matte.  The PK has extra to make it stick to photo better, but that means less ink for the page.

Now for the trick: depending on the printer, some printers use a pigment black for text\matte, and a dye black for photos, OR, mixes the other inks into a black. This is sometimes controlled by the paper type options, so selecting photo\glossy MAY cause it to print using the colored dyes, depends on the printer.

You arrogant arse ...

Of course I'm only kidding, and also referencing the same forum topic you are alluding to.   ;D

I don't know much about these sort of things, and the stuff you were talking about in the other posting, so I enjoy reading what you say and learning more than I knew. So, please, don't stay quiet as you are helping those of us that don't understand it.

Sorry for going off topic // I'm out.

June 05, 2014, 01:38:59 PM
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You arrogant arse ...
I'll fully admit I'm an arrogant bastard. But if I used that as my logo, people would confuse me with an Atari age mod

June 05, 2014, 02:06:13 PM
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Dammit my last posts were suppose to be directed at ozzy i realize i said Jake but that was my mistake.

June 05, 2014, 02:36:11 PM
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what about using a laser printer ? :)

From what i've been told the laser printers are bad at picture quality. Can someone confirm this? and another bigger con is the Price vs inkjet



I wouldn't print family pictures with a laser printer, but for cover art it does a great job so far. You can see a bit of grain in the gradients when you are look very close (less than a feet), but in reality you would probably look at it from around 18". Pretty much like an LCD TV where you would see the pixels if you are near enough.

For the price, it's not was it used to be, I got a printer for 200$ and it came with enough toner to print 100+ covers. Maybe when buying new toner is where it gets pricier, but I didn't do much research on that side.

Here's a few pics from star fox cover printed with a color laser printer. Last pic is a bit blurry because I moved the cam a bit. I hope this will help you making your how opinion.  One thing for sure, there is no ink bleeding with laser!







June 05, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
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You arrogant arse ...
I'll fully admit I'm an arrogant bastard.
But if I used that as my logo, people would confuse me with an Atari age mod

Haha, I like your style.

June 05, 2014, 04:27:23 PM
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Monjici that looks pretty good. What weight was the paper? to get that box type feel i found you need at least 12pt 14 would be better. was it matte, semi gloss or glossy?

June 05, 2014, 04:40:53 PM
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Dammit my last posts were suppose to be directed at ozzy i realize i said Jake but that was my mistake.
Sorry I can't tell you if that printer would work or not, I'm not an expert on printers (Actually hate them from when I used to do IT work).  All I know is stuff that's burnt me in the past not long ago (As in, 3 months ago tops)

June 05, 2014, 07:03:15 PM
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Monjici that looks pretty good. What weight was the paper? to get that box type feel i found you need at least 12pt 14 would be better. was it matte, semi gloss or glossy?

This it just plain firstchoice multiuse paper (24lb/90g/m²). I haven't tried printing boxes.
I think it's matte. The glossy look in the pictures probably comes from the laser printing process.

June 06, 2014, 10:02:21 AM
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Ok I've purchased that canon printer from amazon.... I asked if it could print on 12pt glossy card stock and got a yes answer, so lets cross our fingers and as soon as I get a box made I will post some pics