Author Topic: DS SNES Project  (Read 1746 times)

September 11, 2013, 06:26:24 PM
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paqman

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Hey, first time posting even though I've had my own personal cover project under way for the last two years now. It's a physical media wide initiative, spanning my movies, games, music, and applications -- so it's probably more OCD-ish than most lol. I'm trying my hardest (including building my own templates) to fit everything into poly CD/Mini DVD cases to save shelf space, and after some expensive trial and error (which included me just getting an Epson Artisan 837 Printer due to Staples being lames about printing out my covers), I finally got a system going that worked. Then I ran into retro gaming and saw an issue I've been trying to resolve for about six months.

Universal game cases, rightfully so, are ridiculously huge. It would completely throw off my uniformity due to the size difference height wise. I wanted to play these games again and reconnect with my childhood, but I didn't want the eye sore of different size cases on my shelf. This whole project started because just the size differential from DVD to Blu-ray was irking me to no end LOL. Luckily (or unluckily), I don't have about 30 SNES games sitting around loose to where I'd be forced to use those cases. My entire retro library got stolen about 10 years ago (was living in a horrible neighborhood) and the only loose carts around my apartment now are the 2-3 games my girlfriend has. Not a big deal there, but if I wanted to jump start my collection again, I'd have to make a decision about how to go about this.

Then I found out about flash carts for the NES, SNES, Genesis, and N64 and got an interesting idea. Instead of loading an entire game library onto one SD card, how about I just load the flash cart firmware + the single game ROM and put them into a DS Case? I know having an entire library in one place is the point, but I want each game to have a place on my shelf for reasons I'll get into later. Here's a mock up of Super Metroid by modifying a DS template to fit my needs:





I can fit an SD card and it's plastic shell case in there without modification if I just use gorilla glue to secure it.

I'm a bit crunched for space in the old style DS cases with the GBA slot, but gluing on the left side shouldn't be an issue if I had to. In the new eco cases from Nintendo I'm sure this is even easier thanks to the abundance of space. Speaking of which, I'm pretty sure you can do the same method with GBA carts in eco cases if you buy the GBA cartridge cases off eBay and super glue them in. I personally haven't tried this, but I will give it a whirl when I can (I was also going to try a similar trick with PSP games in CD Poly cases). I also found that the SD card shell will fit snuggly into the DS card slot if you slide it in to the bottom prongs. The upper half isn't secured, but if you close the case and move it around it's not going anywhere. Still, I'd rather glue the shell down and remove the SD card for play that way so I'm not trying to keep up with two pieces.



Personally, if I wasn't trying to play on a real system, I'd just use Compact Flash since I'd get more room on the label to design and print custom art, but all flash carts use SD these days and it's cheaper. Non SDHC 2GB cards are about $5 a pop, and while still costly when you're talking about 25 games per system, it still is cheaper than paying $450 for a copy of Earthbound or $85 for Mario RPG lol. Besides, I only have a handful of SNES games I really love, so I think I can complete this project for a reasonable amount of money.

Next question you're probably asking is "Why buy a 2GB card for a 4MB game?". Brilliant question! This way I can add MP3 soundtracks/OC Remixes, PDF manuals, retro commercials, artwork, strategy guides, ROM Hacks, and anything else related to the game along with it. Just doing a test for Donkey Kong Country (which I'm including the Competition Cartridge with), all of the above stuff totaled up to 1.5GB. I also have the flexibility to jump between emulation and the real console and keep the same game saves, so it's a pretty good set up IMO.



Here you can see the spine is in line with the rest of my design set up, just a bit thicker. DS cases are basically the same height as Poly Cases, so when shelved it will look pretty seamless and clean. I absolutely loathe spines that have the logo art on them since they are hard to read from a distance, so I keep my spines text only for the most part. Back covers follow the same thinking, too:



Quick game synopsis, game stats (which vary depending on the system... I need to update this specific template to cover Super Everdrive compatibility, though), and contents. Simple and to the point.

Just wanted to get some feedback or give you guys some ideas  ;D

September 11, 2013, 06:32:02 PM
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Robert Martino

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I really want to do this know ;D do you think you could upload that super metroid cover and some of your other covers to box.net or media fire? Especially that super metroid cover! I love it :D
« Last Edit: September 11, 2013, 06:35:08 PM by LudiciumGaming »

September 11, 2013, 06:40:44 PM
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I really want to do this know ;D do you think you could upload that super metroid cover and some of your other covers to box.net or media fire? Especially that super metroid cover! I love it :D

Yeah, I've been planning on sharing my covers down the line. I'm still making slight edits to the SNES template, but I will definitely spread the love since this site inspired me to do this in the first place. I will also share SD card labels when the time comes too. I'm researching a cost effective way to do it lol

September 11, 2013, 07:19:31 PM
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Robert Martino

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Awesome can't wait ;D Im picturing all of this in my mind, it will look incredible. I absolutely love when new innovating members create totally new ways to case/load games and create art. Oh and good luck finding cheap ways to print labels. I can't lol.
« Last Edit: September 11, 2013, 07:27:18 PM by LudiciumGaming »

September 11, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
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How many covers have you made?

September 11, 2013, 07:40:59 PM
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How many covers have you made?

In total including my other games and movies? I think maybe 75-80. My biggest hurdle in this project is money. I run out of materials completely every 3 months and between everything else in my life, I only get to dump about $80-100 on ink and paper every now and then. Otherwise I'd be nearly done with this project lol.

I just started on my SNES template again after taking a couple of months off to think about the project again. I guess if I really wanted to, I could super glue the SD Card Case into a CD Poly Case, but I wouldn't mind buying DS cases just for the red ones Nintendo sells. I think that would look pretty boss with SNES, N64, and NES. I'll probably just use black for Genesis.

As far as labels go, Staples sells sticker sheets for inkjet printers. I was thinking about printing a bunch out on one sheet and cutting them out and applying them. So far that the most cost effective way to do this. I can probably get about 20-40 labels on a sheet. It boggles my mind I can find Floppy Disk labels and not SD :D


September 11, 2013, 08:05:08 PM
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Robert Martino

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75-80 perfect cant wait to see them down the line ;D
I can relate I go through materials like water lol I can't even begin to tell you how many Ink cartridges I have blown in the past few months xD
Oh and I think Red DS cases would look awesome for N64, SNES, and NES.
I really need to pick my self up some sticker paper. So I can start to print labels. Someone else one the forums found some incredible paper but it adds up to 1$ per sheet.

September 11, 2013, 08:16:21 PM
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I'm always stupid and wait to the last minute to rebuy new ink, so I always end up going to Best Buy and spending more $$$ than I need to in a rush rather than getting high capacity inks from Amazon for the same price as standard capacity at Best Buy. I'm in between jobs at the moment, so I have plenty of ink but no paper with no means to restock LOL.

I'm looking for colored SD cards, but I'm unable to find many outside of blue and black. http://www.oempcworld.com/OEMPCworld-com/SD.html seems to be the best place I've seen so far to nab up SD cards for good prices, but I'm still looking. They also do custom labels, but I don't want to run into another issue of using copyrighted art with the sheer volume I'm planning on doing again, so I'll probably just stick to my plan of sticker sheets. However, I might give them a test run to see how good they are.

September 11, 2013, 08:40:28 PM
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You have the right idea, stick to sticker sheets. Allot of companies can be a pain in the ass when it comes printing anything copyrighted. Especially the companies I have run in to. I don't think I have ever seen any SD cards sold that aren't blue and black. I think I have two or three red SD cards lying around. But sadly they are about 13 years old and I can't imagine where they are, or what is on them.

September 11, 2013, 10:39:42 PM
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This is a really crappy test print just to make sure I had the dimensions correct in Photoshop. I used normal paper and cut it out super fast, so it's not perfect. I also had to ghettoly secure it down with tape for the time being, but this is what I'm aiming for:



With actual high quality paper I might be able to go through with this.

I'm tempted to put a label on the back too to mimic the famous 1-800-255-3700 support line Nintendo had on the back of every SNES cart :P

September 13, 2013, 06:50:50 PM
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This project intrigues me. You got me thinking about what this would look like when completed. It's not something I would do on a large scale, but I too like seeing new creative ways to display games.
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September 13, 2013, 08:19:59 PM
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This project intrigues me. You got me thinking about what this would look like when completed. It's not something I would do on a large scale, but I too like seeing new creative ways to display games.

Oh yeah, it is a nutty idea -- a very nutty time consuming idea  :D

I just ordered 10 Red DS cases from Nintendo the other day for about $14 and I'm working on more covers in Photoshop at the moment just to get the ball rolling. I spent the last half of 2012 working on my PS1 and Saturn collections, so I'm gonna take a break and do SNES for awhile. It's a personal tribute to the system for me, really. In 2015 it would have 20 years since I got a SNES. I want everything done by then.

Considering the time and cost in doing this (probably about $6-8 per game after all materials have been accounted for), I'm really trying to only do this for games I REALLY love. At least at first, any way. I refuse to play Earthbound for the first time until I have the case and labels finished and Super Everdrive sitting in my SNES.

It just blows that any time Super Everdrive has a firmware update I'm going to have to update the SD cards of every game haha. Small price to pay to have my games displayed how I want them & still be functional, though.

The only other thing that kind of bugs me is that I can't include soundtrack CDs with the games like I was originally planning on doing when I was going to use CD Poly cases -- where I had plenty of room for an SD card and optical disc. MP3 soundtracks are good enough I suppose. I'll just have to make a CD cover and audio CD separate lol. Yay for more work.

One of the bigger reasons I'm using DS cases is to keep my "cartridge" based stuff distinguished from CD/DVDs/Blu-rays. My DS/3DS/GBA/GB/NES/Genesis/32X/N64/SNES stuff is all getting done DS/3DS cases.

Lastly, if anyone can point me into a direction of a large shelf, I'd appreciate it LOL. I ran out of room awhile ago and just have cases stacked in my closet.


September 14, 2013, 07:00:34 PM
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I think it would be cheaper to use a micro sd card, and an adapter. That could give you some extra space for soundtracks and video clips.
Also, why did you choose ds cases? Why not use poly cases?


I already bought a bunch of poly cases for all of my disc based games, music, movies, ect..
I'm just experimenting with different kinds of printing paper right now. But I think making templates
for dvd, blu-ray and audio cd's will be my biggest hurdle.
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September 14, 2013, 08:15:38 PM
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I think it would be cheaper to use a micro sd card, and an adapter. That could give you some extra space for soundtracks and video clips.
Also, why did you choose ds cases? Why not use poly cases?


I already bought a bunch of poly cases for all of my disc based games, music, movies, ect..
I'm just experimenting with different kinds of printing paper right now. But I think making templates
for dvd, blu-ray and audio cd's will be my biggest hurdle.

Micro SD is waay too tiny to keep up with and harder to individually label. It was an idea I thought about for a few weeks, but just normal SD seems to be a nice balance in price, label size, and Everdrive use. Like I said, I'd rather use Compact Flash, but Super Everdrive use would be pointless. I just found a $15 27" CRT and lugged it up two flights of apartment steps (and fell into a bucket of my sweat in the process) -- I'm gonna play games on it LMAO.

I think part of me just wanted OEM Nintendo cases to enhance the "feel" of the case when dealing with classic games considering I'm not using real cartridges. Besides, I can't find red poly cases like I have with DS. I've only seen black, blue, green, and clear. I'd use 3DS cases, but I don't want white.

As far as movies and music templates, that is indeed a hurdle. A bit off topic, but I figured I'd share my ideas. I just wrapped up my CD template and I'm using four disc cases for everything to house multiple formats. First I'm doing the Audio CD -- because I enjoy listening to discs when my MP3 player is somewhere else, secondly I'm burning an MP3 disc for back up purposes (I lost 30GB of music before and that's the worst feeling in the world. At least now I have a tangible back up correctly tagged), and lastly I'm making an extras disc with live performances, music videos, and interviews ripped off YouTube. As far as movies go, I adjust the spine colors according to genre. Blue for action, Red for Horror, Green for documentaries, Pink for drama, etc.. When I have like 300 movies on my shelf, having them ordered by genre then in ABC order will make things tons easier to index.

I usually have to do some heavy photoshop editing for front covers to scale them properly to a poly case format, so that takes a great deal of time, but that's about it. I didn't want to spend days doing one cover.

Just remember to keep your templates simple and easy to work with. Information needs to be easy to find. I keep it in line with other templates and just list the most important info. pertaining to the media. For movies I always put the year released, video specs & resolution, run time, audio specs, format (AVI, MKV, WMV, Retail DVD, Retail Blu-ray, etc), and rating. I paste a synopsis, choose a single still photo, and list the extras and call it a day. All my back covers look the same.

I guess a lot of time was put into this project for me because I didn't use somebody else's poly case template. I had to rig up my own and print out a bajillion test pages and guesstimate adjustments. This is back when I was going to Staples every other day for prints. So glad I got my own printer so if I flub up I don't have to drive all the way home to fix it -- although towards the end of my Staples run I was just lugging my laptop with Photoshop loaded and sitting in the copy and print center LOL. I completely started over about 3-4 times because I made better template ideas, so be sure you're cool with the color scheme and lay out before you go "live" with making covers. I probably wasted around $80 in ink and paper because of it.

It's why I'm still mucking about with my SNES template when I've had this Metroid test printed out since April :P

BTW, I swear by this paper: http://paperworks.com/store/products/paperworks-inkjet-2-side-semi-gloss-8-12x14-48lb180g-50pkg
« Last Edit: September 14, 2013, 08:21:19 PM by paqman »

September 15, 2013, 11:03:32 PM
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