Author Topic: Cover Quality Discussion  (Read 1910 times)

July 04, 2013, 01:55:14 PM
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Except in most cases the reason the old cover is bad is because bad scans were used; bad scans were used because no good scans existed; and no new, good scans are being made because there's already a cover on the site and/or nobody has the box (especially not the person who would want to spend the time making the cover).

Just request new scans for bad covers.
For example my scans when I started were blurry and moired.
I now know how to scan better.
And sometimes I just buy box if scans are needed.

July 04, 2013, 02:05:51 PM
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Blumpkin makes a good point...
I have gotten a lot of downloads on the ol' mediafire page but I made these covers for TCP and prefer that you guys get the credit for the templates and idea.
If someone is looking to cover a game that is unavailable on TCP and they comes across my links then they will download and that's that.
Most are not going to redownload a new cover as the resources to make them are not cheap. (Unless you use some form of free printing... R.I.P. THQ's corporate laser printer.)

I will gladly remove my links and delete the covers if someone else makes replacements... but is someone going too?
Huh? No one's saying you can't make or share covers here in the forums. Just like no one ever told me, segamer, mel or anyone else that. But those that make it to the main page of the site proper are going to be way more stringently policed than what's available in the forums. Of course, the idea of sharing them in the forums is two-fold: both to give people alternatives, and to get feedback to improve our covers' quality.

I dunno; am I misinterpreting what you've said? It's altogether possible.

Yeah, I have have no problem with posting my covers in the forums... my only issue is that after receiving many downloads on MediaFire I feel these covers would benefit being on the site more than sitting on MediaFire. I am told that the covers I upload are not of good quality but they are still being downloaded by many people... They may look bad in really close inspection but when they are printed out they exhibit no more flaws that any of the covers that are already hosted and printed.
This is the reason I mentioned that unless someone is going to start working on a better version of any of the covers I made then it's not really going to ever be on the site unfortunately.

My frustration is also because we are told about the strict quality control... but look at the last 2 covers of mine that were accepted...

http://www.thecoverproject.net/view.php?cover_id=12508
http://www.thecoverproject.net/view.php?cover_id=12505

Anyone see the obvious flaws on both of these (other than my "blurry source material")? and these were accepted and uploaded... I have since fixed the errors and posted them back on mediafire, making the versions I have already superior.
(my theories on why these covers were even accepted is a whole different gripe I don't even want to think about.)

I guess this also leads into the complaint a lot of others are making.... if there is no way to update the current covers with fixed versions then there needs to be some sort of change...

I've been using the site since 2007 and still feel like a new member any time I upload or post anything here but I am here to work on covers and try not to get involved in any of the forum drama...
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Moby Games Page

July 04, 2013, 02:15:08 PM
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if there is no way to update the current covers with fixed versions then there needs to be some sort of change...

Covers cannot be removed but yes they can be replaced with better updated ones.

Hopefully I can do that soon.

July 04, 2013, 02:21:48 PM
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Haha! Yeah, I realized I copied the bar URL instead of the share link... http://www.mediafire.com/folder/hkwajles33sld/Complete_SNES_Vertical_Covers_(UGC)

Is there anything I should change on these? http://www.mediafire.com/#hkwajles33sld
I've tried uploading these many years ago but never got any feedback...

Link doesn't work

I only examined 4 covers but all of them is your source material. The artwork and logos you are using are blurry and/or pixilated.

I appreciate the feedback... but does this apply to all of the covers on the mediafire link or only the 4 you have looked at?
A more thorough explanation of the flaws would help in getting these updated...

I also would like some feedback on these covers as well if possible:
http://www.mediafire.com/view/q776p33tca5xb5b/Misanthroat-6Pak.jpg
(this one was also uploaded awhile ago.)

http://www.mediafire.com/folder/vwrorl5fwlnel/Complete_PC_Covers_(DVD)
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Moby Games Page

July 04, 2013, 02:25:06 PM
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Thanks Arseen... I'll be real and say that you have been the most active with helping the community. I feel your promotion was well deserved.

Again.. i'm not here to cause any rifts or a revolution or anything... a lot of what i've been posting has just been years of frustrations mounting.

if there is no way to update the current covers with fixed versions then there needs to be some sort of change...

Covers cannot be removed but yes they can be replaced with better updated ones.

Hopefully I can do that soon.
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(In)complete list of games I have worked on or had a hand in:
Moby Games Page

July 04, 2013, 03:45:09 PM
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See if you can find any new screenshots. From an emulator or a rom site generally have good quality ones.  MobyGames is good for screen shots too.

I'll give that a try as well. Thanks for all the help.

I do have another one I was hoping you could look at. It's also not on the site and didn't get approved for some reason. What do I need to fix on this one?

http://www.synapsepc.com/Hosting/Forums/Video%20Games/The%20Cover%20Project/Covers/Sega/Genesis/World%20Class%20Leader%20Board%20Golf.jpg

This cover is great! Good Job  :)




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July 04, 2013, 05:03:04 PM
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This cover is great! Good Job  :)

Really? Thanks! :)

I wonder why it got rejected last time. Perhaps it was because I submitted it as another game since that's what I was told to do because it's not in the Genesis list?

July 04, 2013, 05:15:39 PM
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How long ago was it? Perhaps its still in "purgatory" ... i've been working on those the last few days




My Covers that ARE NOT hosted on TCP
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July 04, 2013, 05:31:07 PM
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How long ago was it? Perhaps its still in "purgatory" ... i've been working on those the last few days

I doubt it, it was at least a year ago if not longer. I believe it was early last year sometime.

July 04, 2013, 07:18:49 PM
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As someone who is a novice at creating covers, resorting to making my own templates and covers (I don't understand why this seems to be frown upon?), rather than "putting up" with NTSC covers that I don't particularly want to display my games in (call me fussy/picky if you wish), I find this thread rather repetitive with no grand purpose, coming across as a dick swinging contest, like a pointless battle of the Titans.

The main issues this thread seems to be trying to tackle, is the fact that the uploads using Shenske's templates, are not of a high enough standard, and that there are a hand full of administrators that individually judge a submitted covers quality, rather than analyzing the covers together, as a collective team. That's what its coming across as.

I have no idea who the cover admins are anymore, and honestly I don't particularly care. To me, they are all obviously worth their salt, creating brilliant covers for the site, but with that said, they do value their own individual opinion very highly. Rather than coming together as a group and voting on covers that make the cut, things are done by one person and half ass'd. It is an issue. Leadership without a team environment is like a dog chasing a parked car (pointless). Maybe on a Friday night, twice a month they could get together on Skype, selecting the covers that make the cut?

Now onto the issue of people not creating covers to a high enough standard. I think this a pretty fucking mute issue to raise, due to the fact, that nothing is being done to educate your user base how to create high quality covers. Unless your willing to spend your own time helping your user base to get up to a level where their work is suffice, its a mute point.

I personally would love to get better at making covers, which is what I'm attempting to do at the moment by creating my own covers. I wouldn't dare attempt to make covers using the sites templates, due to the fact, I know I'm not yet good enough, wasting both my own, and the admins time. I would love to try and get more PAL covers onto the site, as quite frankly, no one seems to be bothered about making PAL covers. There is an extreme NTSC bias.

I know that this isn't a job for any of the admins. None of them are being payed. They do what they do for the site to help expand and better this place we all love so much. I appreciate them and their work wholeheartedly.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2013, 07:21:07 PM by Dravenae »

July 04, 2013, 07:25:50 PM
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The main issues this thread seems to be trying to tackle, is the fact that the uploads using Shenske's templates, are not of a high enough standard, ...

I don't think you've read deep enough into this. There was one of my templates in question, the SNES Vertical template. One member was using the outdated version of it and not the one that is available to download now (and has been for a long time).  It wasn't only the outdated template but the artwork used was below standard (min 300dpi).  ::)

By the way, we are educating people right now of how to improve their covers. Look over just the last two pages and you will see that. This site isn't a tutorial to the basic uses of photoshop or how to restore an image. That is what youtube and adobe's site is for.

We host 300dpi covers that use no sources below that quality and have correct legal information that pertains to that title. Overall pretty simple.
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July 04, 2013, 08:01:01 PM
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Educate yourself, this isn't some fucking Photoshop babysitting site.

Up till now I've seen the argument from both angles, but the lack of reading and sense of entitlement from some users On here lately is mind blowing.

P.S. Shenske, your SNES template sti'll needs some fixes mate, want me to PM you about it?

July 04, 2013, 08:27:22 PM
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P.S. Shenske, your SNES template sti'll needs some fixes mate, want me to PM you about it?

I'm sure all of them do. Its not perfect, I'm working in it




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July 05, 2013, 04:00:31 AM
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Somewhat strange to show progress on cleaning a file via an animated GIF (due to the massive degradation of quality when exporting) but the Mario Preschool art has been extended and cleaned. Just need a template to drop it into.



Here's a static version in a higher quality file format.



Tiny bit more cleaning required, maybe a little colour balancing and yeah. That'll be that!

July 05, 2013, 04:37:31 AM
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Excelent, gimme link to full quality image when your ready.

Thank you.