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July 03, 2013, 05:55:21 PM
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Could someone tell me what's wrong with the following cover. I submitted it a while back but it was never approved. I asked back then for some opinions but nobody ever gave me any input. I rarely ever have one get on and I don't even know what I'm doing right or wrong. I thought this one was pretty good and we don't have it on the site either.

http://www.synapsepc.com/Hosting/Forums/Video%20Games/The%20Cover%20Project/Covers/Sega/Genesis/Super%20Hang-On.jpg

Back pictures are pretty rough. "Genesis" logo is pixilated with moire effect. It looks like only the Genesis part is from and image but the Sega part was remade. Did you cut out the word genesis and replace it over-top of an already remade logo? The front artwork itself doesn't look too sharp but I don't know what the original insert looked like for reference.




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July 03, 2013, 06:03:47 PM
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Guess it would work


July 03, 2013, 06:09:13 PM
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Back on the "placeholder" idea, my recent "Jordan vs. Bird - One On One" cover is the perfect description of placeholder: EVERYTHING was re-done except the raster image of Jordan and Bird on the front because I lack scans. I put 2-3 hours to that thing, so "lazy" is not an accurate description.
Anyway, what I love the most about TCP is raw scans sharing, that way I don't have to deal with "lazy people" not doing the full job.

Eh, a somewhat effective method, though searching Jordan Vs. Bird brought up reply to it, not the original post. So in cases, it may not word depending on the reply.
I say having a topic with a list of all your covers is more effective, anyone who wants a cover 3DS I made, can find it by the big list in m thread.
This does not help if the link is dead.

BTW, the Mario cover, It would be easier to do it my way:

I think the ball should overlap the bottom bar if you go that route.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2013, 09:54:48 PM by larryinc64 »

July 03, 2013, 06:16:46 PM
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I'll download your cover tomorrow and compare which style I prefer. :-\

July 03, 2013, 06:21:18 PM
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I'll download your cover tomorrow and compare which style I prefer. :-\
OK, If you prefer yours, You can always use the back of my cover.
Looking at my cover, I think I might want to tone down the saturation on the front.

July 03, 2013, 06:48:21 PM
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Is this a thing we should do from now on? Just have a thread where we post links to our covers, for the express purpose of having them analyzed and criticized by others? Would this make things easier?

July 03, 2013, 07:13:20 PM
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Is there anything I should change on these? http://www.mediafire.com/#hkwajles33sld
I've tried uploading these many years ago but never got any feedback...
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July 03, 2013, 07:15:44 PM
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Leave that Mario Preschool cover, I'll look at it tonight after work.

July 03, 2013, 07:17:11 PM
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Is there anything I should change on these? http://www.mediafire.com/#hkwajles33sld
I've tried uploading these many years ago but never got any feedback...

Link doesn't work




My Covers that ARE NOT hosted on TCP
https://app.box.com/shared/hbm9k6fhvy

July 03, 2013, 07:18:15 PM
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As a non cover making member I'd like to weigh in to give you guys a differnt perspective.

When casing my collection I've had a varied experience with each cover. Popular games will have many options to choose from, where as some games don't even have so much as a raw scan uploaded yet. If a cover is hosted by TCP it certainly makes casing easy, but that doesn't mean that it won't get replaced by a custom that I find in the forums.

When I have a game that doesn't yet have a cover I could care less whether the whipped up cover has passed TCP quality control or not. Some of the tiny details that I see some of you guys mentioning aren't even noticable after printing. I'm just glad that someone took the time to create a passible cover so that I could shelf a game.

Seriously, some of the "defects" you guys point out don't matter a damn to me. Besides, I don't think that perfection can ever be reached on a cover as each member has their own tastes.

But to bring it to a close, TCP is an awesome community. I'm a little saddened that some artist might feel that their work isn't apprecieated because it's not hosted by the site. All you guys do a fantastic job at making my collection look awesome, and I'm thankfull for the work and dedication that each of you guys puts into making covers.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2013, 07:21:12 PM by Blumpkin »
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July 03, 2013, 07:19:45 PM
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Haha! Yeah, I realized I copied the bar URL instead of the share link... http://www.mediafire.com/folder/hkwajles33sld/Complete_SNES_Vertical_Covers_(UGC)

Is there anything I should change on these? http://www.mediafire.com/#hkwajles33sld
I've tried uploading these many years ago but never got any feedback...

Link doesn't work
Created Covers:
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(In)complete list of games I have worked on or had a hand in:
Moby Games Page

July 03, 2013, 07:54:16 PM
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Blumpkin makes a good point...
I have gotten a lot of downloads on the ol' mediafire page but I made these covers for TCP and prefer that you guys get the credit for the templates and idea.
If someone is looking to cover a game that is unavailable on TCP and they comes across my links then they will download and that's that.
Most are not going to redownload a new cover as the resources to make them are not cheap. (Unless you use some form of free printing... R.I.P. THQ's corporate laser printer.)

I will gladly remove my links and delete the covers if someone else makes replacements... but is someone going too?


As a non cover making member I'd like to weigh in to give you guys a differnt perspective.

When casing my collection I've had a varied experience with each cover. Popular games will have many options to choose from, where as some games don't even have so much as a raw scan uploaded yet. If a cover is hosted by TCP it certainly makes casing easy, but that doesn't mean that it won't get replaced by a custom that I find in the forums.

When I have a game that doesn't yet have a cover I could care less whether the whipped up cover has passed TCP quality control or not. Some of the tiny details that I see some of you guys mentioning aren't even noticable after printing. I'm just glad that someone took the time to create a passible cover so that I could shelf a game.

Seriously, some of the "defects" you guys point out don't matter a damn to me. Besides, I don't think that perfection can ever be reached on a cover as each member has their own tastes.

But to bring it to a close, TCP is an awesome community. I'm a little saddened that some artist might feel that their work isn't apprecieated because it's not hosted by the site. All you guys do a fantastic job at making my collection look awesome, and I'm thankfull for the work and dedication that each of you guys puts into making covers.
Created Covers:
Misanthroat's MediaFire Page

(In)complete list of games I have worked on or had a hand in:
Moby Games Page

July 03, 2013, 07:58:28 PM
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Haha! Yeah, I realized I copied the bar URL instead of the share link... http://www.mediafire.com/folder/hkwajles33sld/Complete_SNES_Vertical_Covers_(UGC)

Is there anything I should change on these? http://www.mediafire.com/#hkwajles33sld
I've tried uploading these many years ago but never got any feedback...

Link doesn't work

I only examined 4 covers but all of them is your source material. The artwork and logos you are using are blurry and/or pixilated.




My Covers that ARE NOT hosted on TCP
https://app.box.com/shared/hbm9k6fhvy

July 03, 2013, 08:33:48 PM
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My input may not be all that relevant here, since I've only made customs so far and haven't attempted to submit any of them to the site, but here's my two cents anyway... :)

The policy of "we won't upload placeholders to the site" and the policy of "we won't remove old covers from the site that don't meet the current standards until a new cover that does meet the standards is available to replace it" are absolutely, 100%, no ifs ands or buts counter-intuitive. And more than anything else, that's the source of confusion and annoyance for new cover artists getting their work rejected. :-\

A placeholder is a placeholder is a placeholder, whether it's new or old. If you're going to hold the site up to certain standards (and you should), it should apply across the board, not just to new uploads.

Statements like "Anything less [than the best] would be a disservice to our cause of the site" don't hold much water when there's covers like either option for Game & Watch Gallery 4 already on the site.

If there's a technical issue involved where the covers can't be removed from the database once they've been added, only replaced, then along with the new site design we also need some new database software because that's basics.

If it's a time/commitment issue of "we don't want to arse the cover admins to sort through and re-review all the old covers, when they already don't have much time to review new covers", then make it more of a public effort. I've seen no shortage of people on the forums pointing to this cover or that cover on the site that doesn't meet the standards, and it would be no problem to have a single thread or forum for people to post their concerns about existing covers in, that the admins could then look at just those covers and just those specific complaints brought against them and decide whether a cover needed to be removed.

But if it's neither issue, and simply a matter of not wanting to remove the old crappy covers because they've "grandfathered in" under the old standards, then they should be labeled as such so that they don't degrade the overall image of quality that is The Cover Project. ... But if you start labeling these old crappy covers as what they are: placeholders for new higher-quality covers, it'll only confuse the matter more of why new placeholder covers can't be added as well.

If you want a clean house, it's not enough to simply prevent new dust and dirt from coming in, you gotta clean out what's already there. :P

July 03, 2013, 08:34:01 PM
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Blumpkin makes a good point...
I have gotten a lot of downloads on the ol' mediafire page but I made these covers for TCP and prefer that you guys get the credit for the templates and idea.
If someone is looking to cover a game that is unavailable on TCP and they comes across my links then they will download and that's that.
Most are not going to redownload a new cover as the resources to make them are not cheap. (Unless you use some form of free printing... R.I.P. THQ's corporate laser printer.)

I will gladly remove my links and delete the covers if someone else makes replacements... but is someone going too?
Huh? No one's saying you can't make or share covers here in the forums. Just like no one ever told me, segamer, mel or anyone else that. But those that make it to the main page of the site proper are going to be way more stringently policed than what's available in the forums. Of course, the idea of sharing them in the forums is two-fold: both to give people alternatives, and to get feedback to improve our covers' quality.

I dunno; am I misinterpreting what you've said? It's altogether possible.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2013, 08:38:08 PM by AxelSteelBMX »