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| marioxb:
--- Quote from: TyrannicalFascist on June 07, 2014, 07:37:35 PM ---Nice review, JDavis. Pretty much sums up my feelings as well. I do wonder if there's any reason they couldn't add controller support for Sega Master System, Atari 2600, 7800 and even Colecovision controllers. If they all fit in the same port, isn't it just a firmware update needed to recognize them? Then they could set it up so you could have custom controller profiles you could name for each controller. The last 3 controllers I mentioned might be nice for some of those arcade compilation carts on GBA. I'd be especially impressed if they could add 2600 paddle controller support! --- End quote --- --- Quote from: Ozzy_98 on June 08, 2014, 10:04:49 AM ---These are the kind of comments that makes me wanna write a book, and some people misread it as showing off, but oh well. ;) Most of the older DB9 controllers are compatible with each other, sms, 2600, ect, but there's some tricks. The genesis controller for example does not have a pin for each button. http://pinouts.ru/Game/genesiscontroller_pinout.shtml This isn't a very clear read on that site, but in a nut shell, pin 7 is the magic line (There's no select button on sms, so that one marked select is not for a button!) If there's no power sent down pin 7, pin 6 is button A, and pin 9 is the start button. If there's 5 volts on pin 7, pin 6 is the status of button B, and pin 9 is C. When you plug a gens controller into say an Atari 2600, there's no power on 7 and 6 is the button, so it always reads button A on the gens pad. The 7800 pinouts are different, 5 is right button, 6 is active when any button is pressed, and 9 is left button. I'm not sure though on how the logic works, whenever I use a gens pad on a 7800, I remember you have to hold a button to STOP firing, so they have some funny logic there. Firmware wouldn't help for some of these changes unless the controller port was designed to be switched to ground or anything else ass needed via a pretty complex setup. --- End quote --- So in a nutshell, SMS, 2600 and I think Colecovision controllers already do work on this thing. Also, that Genesis pinout must not be right because I have played 2600 with a Genesis controller, and the entire dpad works (not only up and down), and I think the B button, not A. So maybe the pinout is correct, but the "normal" is select with +5v, rather than GND. |
| SnesGuy:
--- Quote from: lcvolt on June 08, 2014, 12:22:48 AM ---after all these years complaining for having a yellow snes and dirty nes cartridges, people still bought a gray console. i chose black, dont mind the wait. --- End quote --- The grey will probably darken over time, but the yellowing was nintendos plastic mix at the time (from what I understand the yellowing is from a fire retardant? I could be remembering it wrong) Besides nintendo products I don't think I've ever seen grey plastic yellow. The finger prints and dust on the black version would annoy me to no end on a daily basis though. |
| sheep2001:
--- Quote from: SnesGuy on June 08, 2014, 10:51:19 AM --- --- Quote from: lcvolt on June 08, 2014, 12:22:48 AM ---after all these years complaining for having a yellow snes and dirty nes cartridges, people still bought a gray console. i chose black, dont mind the wait. --- End quote --- The grey will probably darken over time, but the yellowing was nintendos plastic mix at the time (from what I understand the yellowing is from a fire retardant? I could be remembering it wrong) Besides nintendo products I don't think I've ever seen grey plastic yellow. The finger prints and dust on the black version would annoy me to no end on a daily basis though. --- End quote --- Commodore amigoas did. Although they started off beige. In fact I think c64's and Vic 20's did too. |
| McFlynn:
--- Quote from: SnesGuy on June 08, 2014, 10:51:19 AM --- --- Quote from: lcvolt on June 08, 2014, 12:22:48 AM ---after all these years complaining for having a yellow snes and dirty nes cartridges, people still bought a gray console. i chose black, dont mind the wait. --- End quote --- The grey will probably darken over time, but the yellowing was nintendos plastic mix at the time (from what I understand the yellowing is from a fire retardant? I could be remembering it wrong) Besides nintendo products I don't think I've ever seen grey plastic yellow. The finger prints and dust on the black version would annoy me to no end on a daily basis though. --- End quote --- Oh grey plastic will yellow. Technically all plastic will yellow eventually. I'm not a huge toy collector, but I've got a small shelf of older Transformers so I'm a little familiar with the topic. The yellowing is something-something-oxidation. (I've long forgotten the specific details.) But white plastic is really susceptible to it. Especially cheaper stuff. For example I have some deep blue plastic thats turned bright teal due to yellowing. Some batches of plastic are just more susceptible, which is why some SNESes are turning now and others aren't yet. Sunlight exposure also speeds it up. |
| SnesGuy:
I've seen plastics yellow slightly, but usually nowhere near the snes, and usually they're much older. 70's to mid 80's. Now sunlight and heat will destroy everything. I live in the desert, and I've seen some plastics start turning to powder in less than a year if left outside in direct sunlight. If in a storage building 1 - 2 years. other plastics become more fragile than glass. The extreme yellowing of the snes is abnormal, and have seen grey plastics older than it look fine. Also the fact that sometimes only certain parts of the shell yellow. (I had one, top half almost looked new, bottom half looked orange) Like I said previously I seem to remember hearing it was an additive in their plastic, not in all batches, that caused the yellow. probably causing rapid oxidation. There's no reason to assume the retron 5 in grey will yellow anytime in the near future. I would be amazed if the day 1 models still work when yellowing becomes a problem. |
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