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| Ozzy_98:
--- Quote from: Blumpkin on May 28, 2014, 08:31:29 PM --- --- Quote from: Ozzy_98 on May 28, 2014, 08:25:55 PM ---I just don't get it. If people are not using any of the filtering, or the crappy controllers, why do they even need a Retron? All it would be doing is freeing up some clutter if they (ick) get rid of systems. Are most people wanting it just for the hdmi out? --- End quote --- HDMI out is exactly what I want without the filters. There is no other way to use original carts and controllers and get the picture quality that the RetroN 5 displays on my giant HDTV. You can see every little pixel, and it looks glorious. What's wrong with that? --- End quote --- Nothing wrong with that, but I disagree with this being the only way to do that. This isn't new tech. It is, however, cheaper than most ways of doing it (RGB + high quality scaler). They're also not as simple of a package (For example, making a DScaler rig). All the RetroN is doing is rendering it in RGB, scaling it, and converting it to HDMI. That's the ONLY way to get a 720p image out of this stuff if you think about it. And there's been tools that could do that off the shelf for years. Really picture quality of old systems on new TVs just varies a lot depending on what the TV does with them. Most use crappy scaling where you get some doubled pixels, and in general looks like crap. Others however look fine from the get go. Course it's all moot. You can't play duck hunt on your tv with the retroN, so screw it. |
| JDavis:
Oh! Another thing I forgot to mention: The Genesis cartridge port is not wide enough for 32X games. I was really hoping they could patch in 32X support with a firmware update down the line... I guess they still can, but now it'd require the 32X or some other adapter to plug the carts in. --- Quote from: TyrannicalFascist on May 28, 2014, 06:07:55 PM ---Speaking of which, do you have a DS Lite? I suggested on FB that one could use the DS Lite's slot 2/GBA port cover as a cover for the RetroN5's GBA port to prevent dust collection when not in use. I just wonder if it fits and stays in. --- End quote --- It fits pretty well, but if you're not careful you can push it in too far on the side without the extra lip, which makes it a little hard to pull out. With the GBA slot being sideways and under an overhang, I don't think dust will be nearly as much of an issue as it might if, say, the top slots didn't have doors on them. --- Quote from: TyrannicalFascist on May 28, 2014, 06:07:55 PM ---I'm also curious if the GB Wisdom Tree games fit and work, and if GBA Video cartridges work. --- End quote --- Don't have any of them to test. --- Quote from: UncleBob on May 28, 2014, 06:39:08 PM ---A few select Game Boy titles with Super Game Boy enhancements allow for multi-player when used on the Super Game Boy. Games that come to mind are Killer Instinct, one of the Street Fighter and Bomberman/Wario Blast - which features four players when using the SNES 4-Player adapter. (oh, do the 4-player adapters work with this? I guess the NES one won't.. although I suppose you could probably rig something up using NES extension cables...) --- End quote --- Don't have any of those GB games, nor any multitaps for the systems present. You can use different systems' controllers, though, without a multitap. So you could play, for example, Super Bomberman 2 with 2 SNES controllers, a Genesis controller, and the wireless Retron controller. Or Nintendo World Cup with 2 NES and 2 SNES. Whatever you have that has enough buttons. --- Quote from: Ozzy_98 on May 28, 2014, 06:44:28 PM ---My main questions would be, how's the intro to Actraiser? Full speed? Does Actraiser 2 play fine at normal speeds? What about F-Zero? Top Gear 3000? --- End quote --- I'll try these out and get back to you (except TG3000, don't have that) --- Quote from: Ozzy_98 on May 28, 2014, 06:44:28 PM ---And how's it handle bugs, for example, press up and down or left + right in many games, you can cause strange effects. Wonder how it handles world -1 in SMB? --- End quote --- I'll also try the minus world, but I expect it'll work normally. It doesn't let you remap d-pad directions, just buttons. So without breaking a controller or buying a crappy 3rd party one I can't really test that. I assume it'll work like it would on the actual system. --- Quote from: Ozzy_98 on May 28, 2014, 08:25:55 PM ---I just don't get it. If people are not using any of the filtering, or the crappy controllers, why do they even need a Retron? All it would be doing is freeing up some clutter if they (ick) get rid of systems. Are most people wanting it just for the hdmi out? --- End quote --- It does free up clutter. I'm not getting rid of my systems, but packing them up and putting them on a shelf, so I can pull them out for anything the Retron 5 can't handle well, like lightgun games (my Genesis is staying hooked up for 32X and Sega CD). That's not just a matter of space at my entertainment center, it's a matter of power outlets and cable clutter. And if someone doesn't have room for a CRT (I do, but not everyone does) then even without the filters it looks a hell of a lot better than RF or composite on an HDTV. But you're missing another feature that I consider the real reason to get a Retron 5: Save states. It can save anywhere, any time, on any game. So if I'm in the middle of Ninja Gaiden, for example, and have to leave to go to work or something, I don't have to leave the system on. I can just save it, and when I get home I can boot it back up. If I didn't feel like continuing when I got home, but I felt like playing it some more 5 months later, I can boot up the save and continue where I left off. It's hugely convenient. |
| Blumpkin:
I should have specified, there is no economical plug-n-play alternatives to the RetroN 5 that will get those picture results. The save feature is another huge thing to me. And I'm not afraid to admit that the cheat code system is something that I'm looking forward to as well. The lack of 32X support sucks, as does the loss of any light gun games. But that's a small enough portion of my library that I'm willing to shrug it off and hope that a fix can eventually happen. |
| Ozzy_98:
--- Quote from: Blumpkin on May 28, 2014, 09:13:55 PM ---I should have specified, there is no economical plug-n-play alternatives to the RetroN 5 that will get those picture results. --- End quote --- That I'll agree with, and also makes me wonder how they're doing it cheaply. I'd bet it's scaled via the ARM processor and then just converted to hdmi. The save states, I've actually been able to do for years on snes, the device is called a game saver. Still pretty cheap too. Also enables slow motion without changing music, and allowing you to export saves across carts. |
| JDavis:
--- Quote from: JDavis on May 28, 2014, 09:07:03 PM --- --- Quote from: Ozzy_98 on May 28, 2014, 06:44:28 PM ---My main questions would be, how's the intro to Actraiser? Full speed? Does Actraiser 2 play fine at normal speeds? What about F-Zero? Top Gear 3000? --- End quote --- I'll try these out and get back to you (except TG3000, don't have that) --- Quote from: Ozzy_98 on May 28, 2014, 06:44:28 PM ---And how's it handle bugs, for example, press up and down or left + right in many games, you can cause strange effects. Wonder how it handles world -1 in SMB? --- End quote --- I'll also try the minus world, but I expect it'll work normally. --- End quote --- Tested. These all played/worked exactly as they would on an actual SNES/NES with no slowdown or other issues. Well, Actraiser 2 loaded up as "Unknown cartridge", but I probably just need to clean its pins. It played perfectly fine, despite the Retron 5 not recognizing it. As for "how it's doing HDMI" that's no mystery. It's all emulators. It's the same way my computer can do all of these games by HDMI :P |
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