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[sheep2001]

You know what, you're right.  We should just legalise everything.  It all goes on anyway, and doesn't stop anyone doing it.  Let's start with rape, I mean we've all got a dick, people who really want to do it will, so we might as well make it legal.   How about robbery,  that should be fine, I mean if there's something I want and don't want to pay for it, I'll just steal it.  I can use my legally acquired gun to make it easy..........

You want to send your kids to a school where the teachers are armed?  Really? REALLY?  I for one do not want to live in that world.  What if the armed and trained teacher has a breakdown and mows down 20 of his own students?  Oh no problem, because we just legalised murder, because it goes on anyway!


Oh, and that car thing is just stupid.  You can kill someone with a teaspoon if you want, but a teaspoons prime function is not to cause death.

I am not trying to rattle anyone's cage here, I have strong views as do others to the contrary.  I am perfectly happy that for this most part this doesn't actually affect' me, and very glad  I grew up in a coubtry with strict gun laws, and outside of organised crime, does not have a gun problem!

[n64gamer4ever]

You know what, you're right.  We should just legalise everything.  It all goes on anyway, and doesn't stop anyone doing it.  Let's start with rape, I mean we've all got a dick, people who really want to do it will, so we might as well make it legal.   How about robbery,  that should be fine, I mean if there's something I want and don't want to pay for it, I'll just steal it.  I can use my legally acquired gun to make it easy..........

You want to send your kids to a school where the teachers are armed?  Really? REALLY?  I for one do not want to live in that world.  What if the armed and trained teacher has a breakdown and mows down 20 of his own students?  Oh no problem, because we just legalised murder, because it goes on anyway!


Oh, and that car thing is just stupid.  You can kill someone with a teaspoon if you want, but a teaspoons prime function is not to cause death.

Wow, did I touch a nerve with some logic there?   it's apparent that you have no idea what liberty and freedom are -- you can do what you want as long as it does not harm another person.

For those in the US that hate our gun laws, why not move to a country where you can live with those that hate guns? Being anti-gun is about as un-american as it gets, seeing as that's exactly how we were founded. Could you imagine our founders trying to lead a revolution with no guns?

And a side note, for anyoen that believes that only our govt and military should have firearms because they are looking out for us and will do what right, ever heard of Fast & Furious? And I don't mean the movie either..

[sheep2001]

You were also founded on slavery, segregation, oppression of women, blah, blah blah.  Times change.  You are no longer living in the wild west, hang up your six shooter, billy the kid isn't out to get you.

I'm British.  We 'discovered' and colonised vast areas of the globe.  Shock, horror, we used guns.  We went to war.  But, I don't need a gun in 2012.  The rest of the civilised world agrees.

You didn't hit any logic nerve, as you made no logical sense to me.

As I said above - I am glad this has no real effect on me, but your 'logic' does scare the shit out of me.

[larryinc64]

I think the comparison between Drug/ Alcohol bans and Gun bans is a bad one, It is easier to make Drugs/ Beer than a gun. Marijuana - Just plant it in dirt, water it, and care to it, bag it up and sell it. A gun requires a lot more work and materials that have to be perfect in order to work and would be a lot harder to to do in a small scale. It may be posable, but the gun would be very expensive to purchase. I think a bomb would be easier to make. I do not know a lot about how to make guns and what-not, but I'm sure its harder than gardening.

And a gun is not going to protect us ageist the government if it decides to attack us, they have drones, missiles, tanks, and much more powerful firepower than your puny little gun.

While I do not think a ban of guns is what we should do, I think we should have stricter laws on who is able to have them and how powerful they are, you do not need a rocket launcher.

[scarmullet]

You know what, you're right.  We should just legalise everything.  It all goes on anyway, and doesn't stop anyone doing it.  Let's start with rape, I mean we've all got a dick, people who really want to do it will, so we might as well make it legal.   How about robbery,  that should be fine, I mean if there's something I want and don't want to pay for it, I'll just steal it.  I can use my legally acquired gun to make it easy..........

You want to send your kids to a school where the teachers are armed?  Really? REALLY?  I for one do not want to live in that world.  What if the armed and trained teacher has a breakdown and mows down 20 of his own students?  Oh no problem, because we just legalised murder, because it goes on anyway!


Oh, and that car thing is just stupid.  You can kill someone with a teaspoon if you want, but a teaspoons prime function is not to cause death.

Wow, did I touch a nerve with some logic there?   it's apparent that you have no idea what liberty and freedom are -- you can do what you want as long as it does not harm another person.

For those in the US that hate our gun laws, why not move to a country where you can live with those that hate guns? Being anti-gun is about as un-american as it gets, seeing as that's exactly how we were founded. Could you imagine our founders trying to lead a revolution with no guns?

And a side note, for anyoen that believes that only our govt and military should have firearms because they are looking out for us and will do what right, ever heard of Fast & Furious? And I don't mean the movie either..

Wait, not liking something makes me unamerican? Thats as logical as saying to be British you have to like tea and soccer. All nations were founded with guns, its not going to stop. We just need to limit who has access to guns, work hard to make sure that these real WMDs do not fall into the wrong hands. Like any tool, guns are not inherently evil, its how it is used and we as a society need to make sure that guns are used PROPERLY.

Guns really just make a man a wuss, sissified. Unwilling to fight like a man in a proper brawl...always reaching for his gun for the smallest of issues, ready to kill.

[Mick Dundee]

...this is all depressing and annoying to read....im gonna go watch some fuckin' Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends and have snack while I wrap some Christmas gifts.

[wiggy]

^^^ Same here.  Great Lakes Xmas Ale and some Rocky marathon for me while wrappin' goods for the fam!

See you guys elsewhere on the forum, in friendlier waters

[palmer6strings]

I wasn't trying to be a jerk earlier, but I will put it like this.

As long as I'm not hurting anyone, leave me the hell alone. Let me own what I want. let me do what I want. Don't take something away from me what I enjoy because you may have the same thing happen to you. That would suck wouldn't it.

And truthfully, yes, the Govt. does have bigger and badder weapons, but here is the case. Say America revolts against its Govt. (or any country for that matter.) they are not going to blow up it's citizens with its badass nukes... It's going to come in with brute force and manpower.

I will explain why.
Your running a business (Your Country). It has 10 employees (Its citizens) . Well they get pissed off at you as the manager (President, Head of whatever) and start a protest. Your in your cozy little home and you are unsure who it is exactly. Are you going to fire (Pull out the big guns and blow up and shit) ALL of your employees (YOUR FINANCIAL INCOME)... HELL NO!!

It will rattle some nerves. But People need to have means to protect themselves. What if it was you and some criminal breaks into your house with a gun, katana, or some magical powers? You would want that same defense or better to protect you and your family. I know I do.

I'm n ot going to be the one thats trying to call the cops to get to my home especially when it takes them 30 minutes to get to my house. "OOPS they are dead already. Our bad."

I would rather die trying to protect my family WITH guns, then set back and have nothing to protect myself.

Now I'm n ot telling anyone what to do, but it wasn't us that were hurt, so be sad and pray, raise donations, or whatever you want to do for them. and lets calm down because i quite frankly enjoy everyone I have met and talked to on this site, and don't want anyone pissed off at each other or me.

Let's...

go watch some fuckin' Fosters Home for Imaginary Friends and have snack while I wrap some Christmas gifts.

 

[SasoriSoren]

To continue where I left off, the reason we have a standing military is thanks to Alexander Hamilton. I unified the militia so that the United States as a whole could conduct war without having to delegate that power to the states. The law was passed before we got into the War of 1812 and there is no reason to arguing on about it. The Feds have the power and it will never be rescinded.

As for a gun ban? No. That won't work, but I think more laws pertaining to the sale of firearms would be the right course of action. In Australia, you have to apply for a license, which takes up to 28 days before your application to apply for one comes back, then you can get your license for a type of gun (handgun, rifle, etc), and then to own a gun you are required to state your reason for purchasing a weapon (self defense is not an acceptable reason there, a gun can be used in self defense, but its sole purpose cannot be to kill other people. Hunting, Sport, Collecting are all viable), a gun safe, and trigger lock.

There are additional laws as well, but those are the more important highlights. Tough again, Australian laws are usually tougher on everything, like DUIs for instance. Do that once and you are done. Texting while driving too.

Just making sure every firearm is registered, licensed, and locked up will stop things from happening. I do also believe we need to monitor ammunition sales as well, as Aurora wouldn't have happened if we didn't allow the sale of 6000 bullets to be sold to that maniac.

[DKBananas]

I live in the Great State of No Jersey. Here there is a multistage process to purchase a handgun.  First you need to obtain a firearms ID card which includes a Federal level background check, fingerprinting, and Mental health background check.  Once that all clears the chief of police of your municipality has to personally sign your card.  This card also has your finger print on it and allows you to transport long-arms and shotguns.  It does not automatically allow you to buy anything nor does it allow you to carry, just transport from the store to home or from the range/field to home.  This process can take up to 10 months to complete.  Next you apply for a pistol purchase permit.  This includes more background checks, I think at the Sate level, personal reference questionnaires are sent out contacts, and again the chief of police signs the permit.  It is only good for 90 days and only one can be purchased per 30 day period.  Then you can go to the store and pick up your firearm, but not after one last check is performed.  The FFL seller calls the NICS system which is a nationwide system of instant background checks.  If you have an outstanding warrant, i think owe child support, or another reason they choose you can not purchase the firearm, even if you pass all the other checks.

I mention all this because most people have no idea what it takes to buy in the very restrictive states like NY, NJ, CT, CA etc.  This process is not the same across the country.  I'm not an expert on the matter.  Just my personal experience.  There is plenty of reading on the individual state websites if you want to get more Facts.

[SasoriSoren]

I live in the Great State of No Jersey. Here there is a multistage process to purchase a handgun.  First you need to obtain a firearms ID card which includes a Federal level background check, fingerprinting, and Mental health background check.  Once that all clears the chief of police of your municipality has to personally sign your card.  This card also has your finger print on it and allows you to transport long-arms and shotguns.  It does not automatically allow you to buy anything nor does it allow you to carry, just transport from the store to home or from the range/field to home.  This process can take up to 10 months to complete.  Next you apply for a pistol purchase permit.  This includes more background checks, I think at the Sate level, personal reference questionnaires are sent out contacts, and again the chief of police signs the permit.  It is only good for 90 days and only one can be purchased per 30 day period.  Then you can go to the store and pick up your firearm, but not after one last check is performed.  The FFL seller calls the NICS system which is a nationwide system of instant background checks.  If you have an outstanding warrant, i think owe child support, or another reason they choose you can not purchase the firearm, even if you pass all the other checks.

I mention all this because most people have no idea what it takes to buy in the very restrictive states like NY, NJ, CT, CA etc.  This process is not the same across the country.  I'm not an expert on the matter.  Just my personal experience.  There is plenty of reading on the individual state websites if you want to get more Facts.

That is a very stringent policy. I wish we had something like that here in Oregon. Instead the guy who shot up our mall probably grabbed them with no checks at a pawn shop.

[tiktektak]

I live in the Great State of No Jersey. Here there is a multistage process to purchase a handgun.  First you need to obtain a firearms ID card which includes a Federal level background check, fingerprinting, and Mental health background check.  Once that all clears the chief of police of your municipality has to personally sign your card.  This card also has your finger print on it and allows you to transport long-arms and shotguns.  It does not automatically allow you to buy anything nor does it allow you to carry, just transport from the store to home or from the range/field to home.  This process can take up to 10 months to complete.  Next you apply for a pistol purchase permit.  This includes more background checks, I think at the Sate level, personal reference questionnaires are sent out contacts, and again the chief of police signs the permit.  It is only good for 90 days and only one can be purchased per 30 day period.  Then you can go to the store and pick up your firearm, but not after one last check is performed.  The FFL seller calls the NICS system which is a nationwide system of instant background checks.  If you have an outstanding warrant, i think owe child support, or another reason they choose you can not purchase the firearm, even if you pass all the other checks.

I mention all this because most people have no idea what it takes to buy in the very restrictive states like NY, NJ, CT, CA etc.  This process is not the same across the country.  I'm not an expert on the matter.  Just my personal experience.  There is plenty of reading on the individual state websites if you want to get more Facts.

And if you buy a gun in a neighbouring state with softer gun laws? Is every person searched at state borders in the US?

Otherwise it doesn't has any use that some state laws are strict.

Here in austria (the whole country) you aren't allowed to own a gun except if you do a dangerous job like money transportation or police officer. Those special jobs get restricted gun owning rights but you have to obtain a gun license and each gun you own (a maximum of two handguns is allowed) is registered to your name and you have to do a detailed mental checkup and regular gun training. If you even point your gun at anotehr citizen without any really really good reason you loose all your rights to own a weapon at once. At home you have to store your guns in a locked cabinet where only you have access (you have to sotre the keys away). It is also mandatory to always store the ammunition seperated from the gun(s).
Semi-automatic weapons or automiatci weapons are strictly prohibited! Only military persons and specially trained police personal are allowed to carry them!

[wiggy]

^^^ Crossing state lines here is like crossing the street.  I.e. ZERO search.

[DKBananas]

I can not go to another state and legally purchase a handgun and transport it back.  It has to go through a federal firearms dealer who would have to ship the firearm to another ffl dealer in the state I live in.  All the prerequisites still apply. Then you could pay the transfer fees and take delivery.  Buying handguns without residency in other states is just false.  Long arms is a little different but you still have to pass the NICS instant background check.

side note Austria and Germany make some of the best firearms in the world.

[wiggy]

I learned from a friend who's into guns that we have HUGE local gun conventions and that pretty much any state or federal regs are essentially thrown out the window.  He says you can buy rifles, shotguns, handguns, etc essentially without any of the rules and requirements that would normally apply.

^^^ You could walk in and buy a handgun.