Who Does Mods?

[mariocaseman]

Ok so after having my SNES2 modded for S-video and seeing the amazing difference I want all my consoles modded to s-video.  These are the 3 consoles I still need s-video on:

NES (top-loader)
Sega Master System 2
Sega 32X (Genesis 2 with CD model 2)

I play all my Genesis games through my 32X as it is always plugged in...  Not sure If the Genesis would need the mod, not sure if the sega CD would either since the only AV output is out from the 32X; nobody seems to be able to give me a straight answer on that one.

Can you guys post links to the websites that you have do your mods?  I'm hoping maybe Wiggy actually knows how to do these and could help me out, but everyone's suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

[wiggy]

I haven't done the Genesis mods, but I'll look them up.  I'm sure I can work my way through them.  Do you have any especially useful links before I go hunting?  I can definitely give you a far better price if you have me do all 3 at once

I've done RCA out on a top-loader.  I've never seen S-vid on one of those.  Again, I'll hunt around on the web (cough Assembler cough) and see what I find.  I don't think it's possible though...

[scarmullet]

Ok so after having my SNES2 modded for S-video and seeing the amazing difference I want all my consoles modded to s-video.  These are the 3 consoles I still need s-video on:

NES (top-loader)
Sega Master System 2
Sega 32X (Genesis 2 with CD model 2)

I play all my Genesis games through my 32X as it is always plugged in...  Not sure If the Genesis would need the mod, not sure if the sega CD would either since the only AV output is out from the 32X; nobody seems to be able to give me a straight answer on that one.

Can you guys post links to the websites that you have do your mods?  I'm hoping maybe Wiggy actually knows how to do these and could help me out, but everyone's suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 

NES can not do S-video without a major internal modification which involves removing the GPU and replacing it with one from a Playchoice 10 board.

Depending on how old the MS2 is, the procedure is the same as doing it on the Genesis 1.

Because of the Clunky design, its very difficult to get S-video out of the 32x...most people just go with RGB and use Component cables for 480i.

[mariocaseman]

I haven't done the Genesis mods, but I'll look them up.  I'm sure I can work my way through them.  Do you have any especially useful links before I go hunting?  I can definitely give you a far better price if you have me do all 3 at once

I've done RCA out on a top-loader.  I've never seen S-vid on one of those.  Again, I'll hunt around on the web (cough Assembler cough) and see what I find.  I don't think it's possible though...

I do not have any useful links, sorry Wiggy.  I know the 32x can be done but the guy who does my mods really doesn't want to do it b/c he says it is not profitable enough for him.  I wouldn't mind using component cables...  Idk what the difference is between RGB and Component..?  RGB = Red, Green, Blue, right?  Component video is those exact colors.  Whatever, I just want better than composite for those 3 consoles.

[irvgotti452]

Gamesx.com

Look at all of their helpful links on the right hand bar. You can learn the difference between all video signals and they have tutorials on how to do them. Also learn the maximum video potential of each.

[wiggy]

I've heard the 32X is a bitch. Luckily I have 2 sitting here at this point, so I figure I can at least give it a go on one of them.

[irvgotti452]

If you find a decent enough tut let me know, i'd like to do this to my spares. Might even try rgb, i got all the parts for it just been really damn lazy lol.

[ShoothimNow]

Wiggy, I sent you a PM (well not yet, but in a few minutes =P)

[palmer6strings]

I do mods...

The 32x, Genesis, CD combo is what I'm going to point out.

The graphics run through both systems and a good way to point this out is dont connect the short cord from the sega to the 32x and see what happens. most games you loose sprites but have everything else.

beings thats said, you would need to mod the sega and 32x for video.

for the Sega CD I'm not to sure on that, I havn't dug to far into it but I beleive you would only need to mod the CD system.

I have the over under model 1 sega cd and had to do a fuse mod on it, and not only does it look sweet (and like it was supposed to look like it was on there new.) it makes it easy for if the fuse ever blows again to just pop in a new one.

[zakurowrath]

I haven't done the Genesis mods, but I'll look them up.  I'm sure I can work my way through them.  Do you have any especially useful links before I go hunting?  I can definitely give you a far better price if you have me do all 3 at once

I've done RCA out on a top-loader.  I've never seen S-vid on one of those.  Again, I'll hunt around on the web (cough Assembler cough) and see what I find.  I don't think it's possible though...

I do not have any useful links, sorry Wiggy.  I know the 32x can be done but the guy who does my mods really doesn't want to do it b/c he says it is not profitable enough for him.  I wouldn't mind using component cables...  Idk what the difference is between RGB and Component..?  RGB = Red, Green, Blue, right?  Component video is those exact colors.  Whatever, I just want better than composite for those 3 consoles.

RGB is actually Red, Green & Blue the three primary colours of light which TV's use to produce an image internally. Component video is Luma (Green) Difference Between Blue & Luma (Blue) & Difference Between Red & Luma (Red) which the TV can produce a high quality image using that separate information.

Here's a picture to show how it's done. RGB is put together by the Red portion, the Green portion & the Blue portion of the 3 images. Component or YUV video is put together by the Luma (Green Wire) B-Y: Blue Luma Difference (Blue Wire) & R-Y: Red Luna Difference (Red Wire) of 3 images.

[satoshi_matrix]

a buddy of mine can do the NES S-video mod, but it'll cost several hundred dollars because of the extensive reworking it requires. If you're still interested, pm me.

[mariocaseman]

Can I just buy these for my composite systems (NES Top-loader, Master System II and Genesis / CD / 32X combo) to get a better picture without doing mods?  I live in the USA so idk if this would give me that RGB quality I hear so much about?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Composite-RCA-S-Video-to-Component-RGB-Video-Converter-/230684660505?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item35b5e09319

[tbonesteak4dinner]

Can I just buy these for my composite systems (NES Top-loader, Master System II and Genesis / CD / 32X combo) to get a better picture without doing mods?  I live in the USA so idk if this would give me that RGB quality I hear so much about?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Composite-RCA-S-Video-to-Component-RGB-Video-Converter-/230684660505?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item35b5e09319

Nope, that won't help you one bit - It needs to come from the chip that way or else you'd still see the same fuzzy video, just using a different cable.

To explain briefly - a composite video cable contains luminance (essentially the brightness), chrominance (all three color types, in hue and saturation), and the horizontal and vertical sync pulses all in one cable. Since all of these signals are being sent along the same line, they interact and cause interference with each other. This is why composite video is fuzzy, and the color is somewhat flat.

So, if the console outputs composite video, putting that signal into a converter will yield exactly the same picture. The converter will definitely split everything into separate RGB and sync channels, but only AFTER everything was already jumbled together by the composite video output. Once all of those signals are mixed together, they can never be cleanly pulled apart.

[zakurowrath]

Can I just buy these for my composite systems (NES Top-loader, Master System II and Genesis / CD / 32X combo) to get a better picture without doing mods?  I live in the USA so idk if this would give me that RGB quality I hear so much about?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Composite-RCA-S-Video-to-Component-RGB-Video-Converter-/230684660505?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item35b5e09319

Nope, that won't help you one bit - It needs to come from the chip that way or else you'd still see the same fuzzy video, just using a different cable.

To explain briefly - a composite video cable contains luminance (essentially the brightness), chrominance (all three color types, in hue and saturation), and the horizontal and vertical sync pulses all in one cable. Since all of these signals are being sent along the same line, they interact and cause interference with each other. This is why composite video is fuzzy, and the color is somewhat flat.

So, if the console outputs composite video, putting that signal into a converter will yield exactly the same picture. The converter will definitely split everything into separate RGB and sync channels, but only AFTER everything was already jumbled together by the composite video output. Once all of those signals are mixed together, they can never be cleanly pulled apart.

He's right if you come from a composite signal and convert it to an RGB or Component Signal, it will look horrible. He pretty much outlined most of the aspects why it wont look great, another to keep in mind is that the RGB signal is 3 pure signals directly from the video processor chip where's composite has to be encoded by a separate encoder chip before it becomes composite video hence the more encoding you do to a signal the lesser quality the signal becomes.

Hear no more, now you can see Composite vs S-Video vs RGB vs Emulator. The emulator is just for reference and a scanline generator is introduced in the Composite, S-Video & RGB pictures.

Composite:



S-Video:



RGB:



Emulator:



Composite:



S-Video:



RGB:



Emulator:

[mariocaseman]

Ok so how can I get RGB?  Is a MOD my only option?  I've heard about just using cables to get it.. SCART cables maybe..?  SCART and RGB or something?  Ring any bells?  I live in the US by the way if that matters.