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June 04, 2012, 02:22:53 PM
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Well we already know from last night's Nintendo Direct that Nintendo is focusing almost exclusively on WiiU software at their presentation. http://www.nintendo.com/nintendo_direct/

I'm glad they explained the WiiU GamePad and system a little more in-depth in that, and I spied a new Mario game that has several SMW references. Also Iwata's english has gotten much better since the Vitality Sensor fiasco. I also like the WiiU Pro Controller, definitely some similarities to Classic Controller Pro and a 360 controller, which means porting games will be much easier. I'm liking where Nintendo is headed so far.

Agreed, Microsoft was underwhelming, and I was disappointed there was no "fistbump" worthy memorable moments. Just kinda bland.
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June 04, 2012, 02:24:22 PM
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I like older consoles because they don't do anything except play games, so developers did really concentrate on making the games.

I don't like consoles after PS2/Xbox that much.

Time for old person mini rant

Wii has manditory motion controlls, on many games the controls are just clued on and game would work fine without them.
PS3 and Xbox 360 don't have that many good games. Many look good but not many are actually good.

I admit online playing might be nice, but leads to less and less good single player games.
And developers don't bother to finish or test games before releasingthem nowadays.

June 04, 2012, 02:29:55 PM
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Yeah I have to agree with you Arseen, which is why my library of 360 games is so small, and most of my Wii games are first party, usually with less motion controls. I don't think every game needs to have online multiplayer, and personally I've had more than my fill of gritty first-person shooters.
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June 04, 2012, 03:12:50 PM
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But if one does it all, and another doesn't,  which one is gonna sell more units?  I don't need another DVD or Blu ray player -  but I do want my next console to be able to play them.

I don't need/want it to personally.   I mean, does the fact that the Wii doesn't play DVDs really bother you at all?  It's not like disc players of any sort are pricey.  I hate fiddling with a controller to watch disc-based movies on a console, not to mention having to deal with the cumbersome UI every time I just want to pop a movie in and watch it.

I do like that I can use Netflix on the current crop of systems.  But, unless Netflix finds a way to significantly step up the streaming content, I'm gonna cancel in the next couple of months anyway, so that feature won't be of any value to me for much longer.

I like older consoles because they don't do anything except play games, so developers did really concentrate on making the games.

I don't like consoles after PS2/Xbox that much.

Time for old person mini rant

Wii has manditory motion controlls, on many games the controls are just clued on and game would work fine without them.
PS3 and Xbox 360 don't have that many good games. Many look good but not many are actually good.

I admit online playing might be nice, but leads to less and less good single player games.
And developers don't bother to finish or test games before releasingthem nowadays.

Preach on!  I'm with ya. 

Buuuuut, I don't agree about the 360/PS3 libraries.  I feel that all 3 of the current consoles have a great selection at this point (and they better, they've been out for 5+ years now).

Yeah I have to agree with you Arseen, which is why my library of 360 games is so small, and most of my Wii games are first party, usually with less motion controls. I don't think every game needs to have online multiplayer, and personally I've had more than my fill of gritty first-person shooters.

My 360 library is my biggest of the current gen and I don't play ANYTHING online.  There are gobs of great single player titles, they just aren't as easy to track down as they would be on the Wii.  On the Wii, you just look for Nintendo franchises and you're pretty much good to go.  It's not that they have more single player titles, it's just that they're almost all the old tried-and-true franchises that we know and love.  On the 360 you've got to do a bit of research, especially since the great single player titles on the 360 aren't the biggest sellers like they would be on the Wii.  Plus, I don't have to be frustrated by waggle controls on the 360.  I would KILL to play Skyward Sword with a 360 controller.  I'm beyond done with frantically shaking my controller to swing a sword.

I've spent hundreds of hours playing Forza 4 and BK: Nuts and bolts.  I personally feel that titles like those have WAY more re-playability than almost any 1st party Wii game.  That's what I'd like to see from Nintendo with the Wuu; customizable items, add-ons, or any other reason to go back into the game once I've played it through.  Mario in outer space and Link trudging through the same old routine were great fun, but I would love to see both pushed a lot further than they have been in the last 10 years.  Waggle controls were technically "innovative", but I sure as fuck can't stand 'em.  I want more game, not more exercise. 

Either way, I'm still pretty amped for the Wuu.  I really hope that 3rd party developers embrace it.  It's been well over 15 years since we had a Nintendo home console that was embraced by 3rd party developers/publishers.  Nintendo seems to find a way to alienate them in some way or another with every console since the N64.


As far as Microsoft goes and their insistence on adding more and more features that I don't particularly care about goes, well, they're a software company before anything.  I expect them to do what they're doing.  As long as it doesn't bog their machines down or interfere with my ability to just play a game, then they can add whatever silly features that they want IMO.  I really, REALLY hope that they have some info on their next console in 2013.  If they can squeeze their next box out a few years before Sony like they did with the 360, then I really feel that they'll be able to absorb a huge portion of the market.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not campaigning for a monopoly over the market or anything, but having watched them evolve as a game company, I feel really confident in their ability to keep gaming on a track that appeals to me more so than Nintendo who seems to be pulling further and further away from what I think of as traditional gaming (me, on a couch, with a controller in hand).  And, unlike Sony, Microsoft seems more than willing to listen to feedback from the gaming community.

Sony insists on telling us what we want (which has proven to be a very flawed method).  Sony says: "Fuck physical media, take this DL-only POS because it will help us prevent pirating!  That's a 'feature', or at least that's how we'll spin it."

Nintendo does essentially the same thing, but not in an oppressive way like Sony.   Nintendo is the sole innovator in the gaming market IMO.  For me, it's a good thing and a bad.  I LOVE rumble controllers, analogue sticks, shoulder buttons, ergonomic sound controllers, and I even like motion control when it's appropriate (Bowling, Golf, Boom Blox, etc).   Nintendo says: "Hey, we made this wacky new (insert wacky Nintendo idea) and we think you guys will really dig it and all it can do for your gaming experience!"


OK, I better stop.  I'll go on forever if I don't tell myself to shut up. 

In summation, I'm excited for the upcoming year in gaming ;D

June 04, 2012, 04:33:50 PM
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Fair enough, we all have different tastes in games. I'm not really into a lot of the types of games on 360 or PS3, which isn't really a shortcoming on their part, they just have a different target. But as an example, I really didn't enjoy BK: Nuts and Bolts. I found it kind of tedious and clunky. I enjoy games you can pick up and play for a bit, put down, then just jump back in days, weeks or even years later. But again, different people like different games. I've played through New Super Mario Bros. Wii 3 times now, once on my own, and twice with groups of friends or family. Design-wise and style-wise, it's a relatively unimpressive bland game. But it's a great game to pick up and play a while, or have a lot of laughs with your friends as you trounce each other just to get a power-up. I find myself wishing that all the Mario games had simultaneous 4-player now.

Now I'm not saying that BK: Nuts and Bolts is terrible. In fact, as you say, there is a lot to do. But for me, replayability is more about re-experiencing the game if I enjoyed it, rather than going around collecting things or getting upgrades. I have a lot of games that I've played and beaten, but there's more to unlock - Sonic Adventure 2: Battle for example - but I just don't really care to go to levels and complete missions or collect things. In Sonic Generations, I enjoyed the levels (some of them anyways), but hated the missions. I don't personally care about Xbox 360 achievements, and back in the early NES/SNES days, I wasn't much into playing arcade games just to get high scores. But to each his own. I have a friend who can sit and play Fable or Borderlands for 6 hours straight, or beat Gears of War 3 in a day, go back and get all the achievements. It's probably just a lifestyle difference - I don't really spend a lot of time playing straight through a game, just here and there for a little bit.

One thing I think everyone can agree on is that there is a wide, diverse library of game genres for everyone. I didn't much care for the casual Wii games, but I really appreciate that they now exist. I mean, there's now video games that my parents love to play that are newer than Atari 2600! I never could have imagined that before. And now I enjoy playing some of them with friends and family when we are together. I'd agree Nintendo definitely is the primary innovator, and like any attempts to shake things up, sometimes it works (Super Mario 64), sometimes it doesn't (Virtual Boy). I think I just appreciate the fact that they try new things and the legacy they have. I like how they are willing to try totally new things and take risks. The Nintendo Direct was insightful, in that it showed that Nintendo has always wanted to create something unique. Of course Microsoft and Sony also try new things, and they all learn from each other. No one is better or worse in my mind.

I think what bugs me though about Microsoft and Sony is that they are trying to force their system as the exclusive and ultimate one-stop place for everything media. And I just don't think that's really going to happen for a long time. I like having physical games and DVDs/BluRays and I imagine most of us here do to, based on what we are on this site for in the first place. They want you to spend your money buying movies, music, apps, games and everything for this one system, using their accounts or cloud system, but it's frustrating because you can't take it outside the system. Isn't the point of "the cloud" to have all your media in one place so you can access it anywhere? Yet you have to re-buy music for every kind of music service, or find ways to convert them to work. And some of the business practices like on-disc DLC really bug me for other, unrelated reasons. Nintendo keeps it simple and says "we make games", and that's what I appreciate about them. Maybe I'm just old fashioned.

I love being a Nintendo fan because they always surprise me, and like Reggie said last E3, they give us something old and familiar, that is at the same time new and different. And I'm certainly excited to see what everyone has in store for E3. And no matter who creates what, we all win.  8)
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June 04, 2012, 06:49:54 PM
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Hmm, that's what I did with BK:N&B.  I almost never have time to play games for days in a row.  I thought it was easy to play for an hour or two, put down for a week if need be, then start back up.  That's also how I tend to play games.  I don't have time for Final Fantasy and other stuff like that.  I loved epic adventures when I was younger, but I just don't have the time or desire anymore :/

I have a lot of friends that do the same (sit for 5+ hours at a time, day after day).  I just can't do that. 

I've got that Nintendo vid cued up.  As soon as I'm sick of 3D modeling for the day, I'm gonna watch it :)

Yeah, I agree 100% with you on the end-all, be-all media device nonsense.  Of course they WANT you to be tethered to their proprietary storage cloud, media format, etc.  It's fucking garbage.  I have no interest in purchasing games/music/movies over and over again.  No to mention that you're not even buying the music/games/etc., but rather just a license that can be revoked at any time, for any reason.  Um, no thanks. 

I do wish Nintendo embraced a bit of the stuff that Sony and Microsoft push.  The Wii does feel stunted in some ways (beyond the obvious outdated hardware specs).  But, if I had to choose between super-duper everything machine or a box that just plays games, I'd definitely go with the latter.  Nobody buys a PS3/360 to act as an all-in-one box.  They buy 'em to play games.  There are far better options for a media box like a cheap-ass PC with a giant hard drive. 

June 04, 2012, 10:23:22 PM
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I think you and I speak the same language. :P I've never played a Final Fantasy game either, and really the only RPGs I've played were the Mario ones (even then never played through the Paper Mario games all the way). And admittedly I've only played a couple Zelda games, and never finished Ocarina of Time. Might have to give Nuts and Bolts another try, it just seemed dauntingly complicated at first, especially when the other BK games weren't. Yeah the Wii is stunted. In fact, that's the original reason I got my 360 - to play the games that could have been on Wii, but weren't or weren't as good (HD Sonic games,The Force Unleashed, BK: Nuts and Bolts, etc). But I think WiiU fixes that issue.

A funny bit of news regarding Sony: http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=178575 . At least they aren't making any pretense about it anymore. Not sure what to think about their book peripheral thingy...

Speaking of Smash Bros., though I doubt there will be any news, I've got a few characters I'd love to see, many of which are 3rd party characters that were on old Nintendo consoles:

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-Banjo & Kazooie (almost certainly won't happen, but I can dream)
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June 04, 2012, 11:23:17 PM
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I think you and I speak the same language. :P I've never played a Final Fantasy game either, and really the only RPGs I've played were the Mario ones (even then never played through the Paper Mario games all the way).

I thought it was funny that during the fight with Culax, it plays the boss music from FFIV.  That was a nice Squaresoft touch and it was a 'Wait, what?' moment for me when I first played it.  So even if you've never played one, you still have had a small taste of an FF game. ;)

June 05, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
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I thought Nintendo's press conference was pretty bad.

- No WiiU price or release date

- Not very many games shown (he wasted several minutes talking about how they didn't have enough time to show stuff)

- No 3DS redesign as was rumored

- Wasted a lot of time on Nintendo Land which is basically a demo for the Game Pad (like Wii sports for the Wii Remote)

- The third party support wasn't all that great or is too late (i.e. Mass Effect 3)

The new Mario Game looked sweet but it will take more than that for me to buy one.

Overall I'd say Sony's was the best and it wasn't even that good.




June 05, 2012, 01:18:20 PM
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I think you and I speak the same language.

Indeed.  I'm an old school platformer/adventurer.  I'll play other things, but that's my bread and butter ;)

:P I've never played a Final Fantasy game either, and really the only RPGs I've played were the Mario ones (even then never played through the Paper Mario games all the way).

If you ever get the itch to try FF, my absolute fav is 6.  It's pretty long, but not silly long like 7 and pretty much everything after that.  Plus, it's 2D.  Once they moved to 3D with pre-rendered backdrops it became really difficult to navigate and find things that aren't important like doors and such while wandering around town.  You know, nothing that you really need to be able to find or anything  :-\


And admittedly I've only played a couple Zelda games, and never finished Ocarina of Time. Might have to give Nuts and Bolts another try, it just seemed dauntingly complicated at first, especially when the other BK games weren't. Yeah the Wii is stunted. In fact, that's the original reason I got my 360 - to play the games that could have been on Wii, but weren't or weren't as good (HD Sonic games,The Force Unleashed, BK: Nuts and Bolts, etc). But I think WiiU fixes that issue.

Never finished Ocarina?!  Madness LOL!

Nuts and Bolts is quite honestly a fav of mine.  Making the vehicles to accomplish goals was really great fun for me.  Check out some of the crazy solutions that people have found for various missions on youtube.  It's crazy how simple or convoluted you can get and still accomplish the goal, sometimes in a way that Rare obviously didn't expect.  Even after I beat it and got every single item, I still went back and just built crazy machines.  My little brother-in-law who's 10 loves just sitting around and making wacky vehicles with me.  It's good times :)

I thought Nintendo's press conference was pretty bad.

- No WiiU price or release date

- Not very many games shown (he wasted several minutes talking about how they didn't have enough time to show stuff)

- No 3DS redesign as was rumored

- Wasted a lot of time on Nintendo Land which is basically a demo for the Game Pad (like Wii sports for the Wii Remote)

- The third party support wasn't all that great or is too late (i.e. Mass Effect 3)

The new Mario Game looked sweet but it will take more than that for me to buy one.

Overall I'd say Sony's was the best and it wasn't even that good.

Yeah, that's sort of how Nintendo does things.  We'll know the launch date and price about a month before it drops.  Nintendo has NEVER been very open about any of that stuff.  I'd wager November this year at about 300-350 bucks with 4-5 1st party titles.  I bet Mario isn't a launch title (hasn't been for the last 2 systems) and out of those 4-5, only one will be a franchise that dates back to the NES/SNES era.

I'm gonna guess:

  • Some sort of adult/casual gamer title along the lines of brain age.
  • A sports/fitness title (Wii Sports, Sports Resort)
  • An action puzzler of some sort that does a great job of making use of the new controller, but ultimately feels like a 3DS or cell phone game (i.e. isn't worth nearly the 50-60 bucks that they're gonna want for it). May make use of an existing franchise like Pikmin or something
  • A hobbled together title that utilizes one of their bigger franchises (Luigi's Mansion comes to mind)
  • And if there's a 5th title, then I'd expect it to be something totally unexpected and will likely be the best title for the system at launch even though it won't be the biggest seller by a long shot.

June 05, 2012, 01:32:58 PM
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Yeah I was somewhat disappointed with the actual E3 presentation, but since they did well with the Nintendo Direct, plus have another event tomorrow for 3DS, I must say they are doing really well this E3 overall.

Reggie confirmed on Spike that every game shown for Wii U is either a launch title or in the "launch window". They've confirmed online that New Super Mario Bros. U is a launch title. Not sure if it will be a pack-in or not. Also looks like there will be a white and black system at launch.

I'd love to get the date and price too, though the price is not really a big deal for me, since it's not like I have to go buy a bunch of controllers and peripherals to play with my friends. I can just use the Wiimotes I have. I'll probably pick up the system/GamePad bundle, a Pro controller, and 3-5 games at launch. As long as it isn't $599...  :P

You might watch http://e3.nintendo.com/ . They've shown several games they didn't announce, like a new Warioware game, and they keep adding more. Plus there's more that has been announced that they didn't even mention yet, like the Kirby Anniversary.
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June 05, 2012, 02:10:22 PM
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Pikmin 3 is my game of the show.

June 05, 2012, 02:34:53 PM
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yeah, pikmin 3 was amazing. just what i ve been waiting for for a coule of years... still epecting another star fox

June 05, 2012, 08:16:38 PM
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watch dogs, beyond, the last of us, assassins creed 3, tomb raider, castlevania los: mof, sc black list, south park and halo 4.

those are my games of the e3

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June 06, 2012, 10:04:11 PM
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So, when can I get a Wuu Pro Controller to play Skyward Sword with?

That controller is probably the thing that I'm most excited about after having watched that vid!