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Is This Good or Bad?
Arseen:
--- Quote from: Moviefan2k4 on May 06, 2012, 09:31:24 AM ---I don't advocate piracy, but I do agree that physical media should always be the standard, because otherwise, there's no tangible "ownership" of it.
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I think that's the plan with the game makers.
No hard copies -> no secondhand game.
I also predict that eventually we are not allowed to buy games, only rent online. -> when the game makers think one game has been played enough it will be simply removed from renting and replaced with newer game.
wiggy:
It's pretty shitty, because the laws/regulations are written to favor everyone but the consumer. When you "buy" a game/DVD/CD, you're really only buying a license to use that media, not the actual media, and that license may be revoked whenever for pretty much whatever reason. We only now realize how true that is with the advent of non-physical media. Whereas the owners of any given piece of media would have no way to revoke that license if you owned a physical copy, issuing a license for something that is dependent upon some excessive DRM/predetermined license periods/etc. affords them all the ability in the world to revoke without notice.
Anyone remember the whole Amazon Kindle & Fahrenheit 451 fiasco? How perfect is it that the 1st book to be automatically removed from users' Kindles was F451? Fucked up. No thanks.
Maben:
--- Quote from: wiggy on May 06, 2012, 11:34:21 AM ---It's pretty shitty, because the laws/regulations are written to favor everyone but the consumer. When you "buy" a game/DVD/CD, you're really only buying a license to use that media, not the actual media, and that license may be revoked whenever for pretty much whatever reason. We only now realize how true that is with the advent of non-physical media. Whereas the owners of any given piece of media would have no way to revoke that license if you owned a physical copy, issuing a license for something that is dependent upon some excessive DRM/predetermined license periods/etc. affords them all the ability in the world to revoke without notice.
Anyone remember the whole Amazon Kindle & Fahrenheit 451 fiasco? How perfect is it that the 1st book to be automatically removed from users' Kindles was F451? Fucked up. No thanks.
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Can you post something to back up your Fahrenheit story? I wanted to read about it and all I can find is that they removed "1984" and "Animal Farm" which seemed to spur the whole DRM debate when Amazon can just delete stuff from your Kindle. The only thing I can find on Fahrenheit 451 is that the author Ray Bradbury held out allowing it to be published digitally, relenting only November of last year.
Edit: On topic- it's bad. It's the next step towards removing our ownership and rights to use our purchased media more freely. I'd urge anyone to buy physical copies in virtually (no pun intended) all scenarios.
wiggy:
--- Quote from: Maben on May 07, 2012, 12:07:20 PM ---
--- Quote from: wiggy on May 06, 2012, 11:34:21 AM ---It's pretty shitty, because the laws/regulations are written to favor everyone but the consumer. When you "buy" a game/DVD/CD, you're really only buying a license to use that media, not the actual media, and that license may be revoked whenever for pretty much whatever reason. We only now realize how true that is with the advent of non-physical media. Whereas the owners of any given piece of media would have no way to revoke that license if you owned a physical copy, issuing a license for something that is dependent upon some excessive DRM/predetermined license periods/etc. affords them all the ability in the world to revoke without notice.
Anyone remember the whole Amazon Kindle & Fahrenheit 451 fiasco? How perfect is it that the 1st book to be automatically removed from users' Kindles was F451? Fucked up. No thanks.
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Can you post something to back up your Fahrenheit story? I wanted to read about it and all I can find is that they removed "1984" and "Animal Farm" which seemed to spur the whole DRM debate when Amazon can just delete stuff from your Kindle. The only thing I can find on Fahrenheit 451 is that the author Ray Bradbury held out allowing it to be published digitally, relenting only November of last year.
Edit: On topic- it's bad. It's the next step towards removing our ownership and rights to use our purchased media more freely. I'd urge anyone to buy physical copies in virtually (no pun intended) all scenarios.
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My apologies, I did indeed confuse F451 with 1984, which is even more disturbing...