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April 24, 2012, 09:54:03 AM
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Hey guys, I need your opinions.  I really enjoy Spyro 1-3 on PSOne and am playing the 4th and 5th one soon.  Is it true that the 2nd series, the "New Beginning", "Eternal Night" and "Dawn of the Dragon" really suck?  I haven't heard many good things about those.  Given that I like the gameplay of the original series, do you recommend I play or stay away from the "Legend" series?

April 24, 2012, 10:32:49 AM
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I've played New Beginning and Eternal Night.

They are diffrent than the originals and maybe bit boring but I still liked them.

If you want more of the originals, get the Game Boy Advance games.

April 24, 2012, 02:05:39 PM
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Legend of Spyro, as well as Skylanders, are reboots of the Spyro series. Legend of Spyo was met with mixed reception, but the general consensus is that it's overall worse than the original PS1 trilogy, and even the GBA trilogy. Skylanders is its own thing arguably, Spyro was just shoehorned in to revive the IP while attracting the fans I suppose, Skylanders is actually pretty good and different though, a reboot done right I think.

Enter The Dragonfly is to the Spyro series what Wrath of Cortex was for the Crash Bandicoot series, that is to say the first "next-gen" entry that unfortunately had some technical issues to it. While Wrath of Cortex merely suffered from long load times(Which were fixed in the Xbox and Gamecube releases), Enter The Dragonfly suffered from many more glitches unfortunately; It was rushed to meet the holiday deadline in 2002, and it shows. Despite the glitches, Enter the Dragonfly is still playable, but just barely. It follows the format of the PS1 trilogy, but it offers much less in the way of levels; I recall only 9 separate worlds, 10 including the hub world. It introduces elemental breaths and the wing shield, but those mechanics weren't perfected until the next entry. If you want to play Enter The Dragonfly, it is recommended to go with the Gamecube version as it's somewhat less glitchy for the most part.

A Hero's Tail is like the Crash Twinsanity of the Spyro series. It takes the PS1 formula and advanced it, while taking some elements from Enter The Dragonfly. Developed by the same people behind Crash Bash, A Hero's Tail is the best Spyro of the GCN/PS2/Xbox generation. It has virtually no glitches, and advanced the formula. Even though each world only has two major levels to it, those levels take a while to complete, especially 100%. There is still backtracking which was present in Ripto's Rage and Year of the Dragon, but it's toned down to a degree thankfully. Spyro retains his moves from the PS1 trilogy, such as Headbashing, and also has the elemental breaths and wing shield from Enter The Dragonfly. Like Year of the Dragon, it offers several playable characters;

Sgt. Byrd takes over for the "Flight" and "Speedway" sections of the game, while Hunter takes on specialized situations in the game that require his cheetah abilities and archery, he even gets his own level late in the game. Blinx the Mole is the new character, who gets his own underground sections throughout the game. Sparx is also his own character; His sections play like a rail shooter.
Hero's Tail also has some fan service, though it's fairly light. If you enjoyed Spyro the Dragon, you'll appreciate who the first boss is we'll just say... but overall, I enjoyed A Hero's Tail much more than Enter The Dragonfly.

The GBA games are isometric platformers, and for the most part they work, but overall they don't innovate nearly as much as the PS1 trilogy. Still, it's handheld Spyro done right, much like Crash Bandicoot The Huge Adventure and N-Tranced were handheld Bandicoot done right.
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April 24, 2012, 08:44:34 PM
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I would like to ask a related question as I've been looking to get games for my past systems.  Does the original Spyro series still hold up as a platformer series?  I understand that it's not Super Mario Galaxy 2 by any means, but is it unique enough to stand on its own right?  A lot of the praise and reviews I find for them seem to be talking a lot about the innovations and the great graphics.  There are tons of other platformers I'm looking to play (Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Ratchet & Clank), should I include the original Spyro games for the PS1 in this list, or are they overshadowed by games like these?

April 24, 2012, 09:11:14 PM
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I would like to ask a related question as I've been looking to get games for my past systems.  Does the original Spyro series still hold up as a platformer series?  I understand that it's not Super Mario Galaxy 2 by any means, but is it unique enough to stand on its own right?  A lot of the praise and reviews I find for them seem to be talking a lot about the innovations and the great graphics.  There are tons of other platformers I'm looking to play (Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Ratchet & Clank), should I include the original Spyro games for the PS1 in this list, or are they overshadowed by games like these?
These are the best platformer games for PS1/PS2;
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back
Crash Bandicoot: Warped
Spyro The Dragon
Spyro: Ripto's Rage(Gateway to Glimmer in PAL)
Spyro: Year of the Dragon
Sly Cooper & The Thievius Raccoonus
Sly 2 Band of Thieves
Sly 3 Honor Among Thieves
Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
Ratchet & Clank
Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal

Jak II and Jak 3 are still platformers, but they're structured like a GTA game, and feel more sandbox in nature than the original Jak & Daxter.

Also, the Sly & Jak games are available via digital download on PSN and retail collection discs, with the Ratchet Collection releasing next month in PAL and this fall in the US.

In terms of price, all of the PS2 games can be found dirt cheap, though the Spyro games are somewhat pricier. The Crash Bandicoot games are in between the PS2 and Spyro games in terms of pricing, with the original Crash Bandicoot commanding the highest prices. The Spyro and Crash games are also available via digital download on PSn for $6 a pop.

April 24, 2012, 10:18:30 PM
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Weren't the later Spyro games the same sorta situation as the later Crash games, as in they weren't made by the original developers? That alone is usually enough reason to avoid a game in a series. Switching developers up never ends well.

April 25, 2012, 12:18:08 AM
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Weren't the later Spyro games the same sorta situation as the later Crash games, as in they weren't made by the original developers? That alone is usually enough reason to avoid a game in a series. Switching developers up never ends well.
Yes.

Insomniac was contracted to develop the first three Spyros on PS1. Enter The Dragonfly was then developed by someone else, but A Hero's Tail was developed by Eurocom, the same guys behind Crash Bash. The GBA games were developed by Digital Eclipse.

Beyond that I don't really know, nor do I give much of a crap.

April 25, 2012, 07:17:44 AM
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I would like to ask a related question as I've been looking to get games for my past systems.  Does the original Spyro series still hold up as a platformer series?  I understand that it's not Super Mario Galaxy 2 by any means, but is it unique enough to stand on its own right?  A lot of the praise and reviews I find for them seem to be talking a lot about the innovations and the great graphics.  There are tons of other platformers I'm looking to play (Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Ratchet & Clank), should I include the original Spyro games for the PS1 in this list, or are they overshadowed by games like these?
These are the best platformer games for PS1/PS2;
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back
Crash Bandicoot: Warped
Spyro The Dragon
Spyro: Ripto's Rage(Gateway to Glimmer in PAL)
Spyro: Year of the Dragon
Sly Cooper & The Thievius Raccoonus
Sly 2 Band of Thieves
Sly 3 Honor Among Thieves
Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
Ratchet & Clank
Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal

Jak II and Jak 3 are still platformers, but they're structured like a GTA game, and feel more sandbox in nature than the original Jak & Daxter.

Also, the Sly & Jak games are available via digital download on PSN and retail collection discs, with the Ratchet Collection releasing next month in PAL and this fall in the US.

In terms of price, all of the PS2 games can be found dirt cheap, though the Spyro games are somewhat pricier. The Crash Bandicoot games are in between the PS2 and Spyro games in terms of pricing, with the original Crash Bandicoot commanding the highest prices. The Spyro and Crash games are also available via digital download on PSn for $6 a pop.

Thanks, not exactly what I was looking for though.  I know they are on the collection discs for the PS3 which I was planning to get, not into digital downloads at all.  So you would say that the original 3 Crash and 3 Spyro games still hold their weight today?

April 25, 2012, 11:46:28 AM
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I've never really played the Spyro games much, but the classic Crash games hold up pretty well. They're a little dated feeling design wise (since remember, it's a 3D platformer that predates Mario 64.) but the control and gameplay are pretty solid. It actually feels like a 16-bit sidescroller in a lot of ways, despite scrolling... forward? Crash looks pretty nice visually too, since it used a lot of pretty advanced hardware tricks (including the Ps1's 480i mode). I'd imagine the sequels hold up better than the original, but yeah, they're worth checking out.

April 25, 2012, 03:26:34 PM
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I would like to ask a related question as I've been looking to get games for my past systems.  Does the original Spyro series still hold up as a platformer series?  I understand that it's not Super Mario Galaxy 2 by any means, but is it unique enough to stand on its own right?  A lot of the praise and reviews I find for them seem to be talking a lot about the innovations and the great graphics.  There are tons of other platformers I'm looking to play (Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Ratchet & Clank), should I include the original Spyro games for the PS1 in this list, or are they overshadowed by games like these?
These are the best platformer games for PS1/PS2;
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back
Crash Bandicoot: Warped
Spyro The Dragon
Spyro: Ripto's Rage(Gateway to Glimmer in PAL)
Spyro: Year of the Dragon
Sly Cooper & The Thievius Raccoonus
Sly 2 Band of Thieves
Sly 3 Honor Among Thieves
Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
Ratchet & Clank
Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal

Jak II and Jak 3 are still platformers, but they're structured like a GTA game, and feel more sandbox in nature than the original Jak & Daxter.

Also, the Sly & Jak games are available via digital download on PSN and retail collection discs, with the Ratchet Collection releasing next month in PAL and this fall in the US.

In terms of price, all of the PS2 games can be found dirt cheap, though the Spyro games are somewhat pricier. The Crash Bandicoot games are in between the PS2 and Spyro games in terms of pricing, with the original Crash Bandicoot commanding the highest prices. The Spyro and Crash games are also available via digital download on PSn for $6 a pop.

Thanks, not exactly what I was looking for though.  I know they are on the collection discs for the PS3 which I was planning to get, not into digital downloads at all.  So you would say that the original 3 Crash and 3 Spyro games still hold their weight today?
Yes, and it surprises me how well they d hold up. Not just in gameplay, but in terms of graphics too. FWIW though, while I played all of those games when they came out, I only feel nostalgia for the original Spyro. I think it's because the games hold up SO WELL, that they literally don't give much nostalgia at all. I've owned my Crash Bandicoot Warped disc since 1998, and even when I did another 105% run a month ago, I didn't really feel too nostalgic... it was awesome.

And yeah, I'm also not into digital downloads as the primary method, but I do use it as a supplement. It's nice to be able to play the entire Spyro trilogy by only inserting one disc, for example(I have 1 & 2 downloaded and 3 on disc only).

I've never really played the Spyro games much, but the classic Crash games hold up pretty well. They're a little dated feeling design wise (since remember, it's a 3D platformer that predates Mario 64.) but the control and gameplay are pretty solid. It actually feels like a 16-bit sidescroller in a lot of ways, despite scrolling... forward? Crash looks pretty nice visually too, since it used a lot of pretty advanced hardware tricks (including the Ps1's 480i mode). I'd imagine the sequels hold up better than the original, but yeah, they're worth checking out.
I only feel that the original Crash Bandicoot is kind of dated, if only because of its archaic save system. The sequels hold up much better; In my opinion they can stand up even to the modern games of today.

April 25, 2012, 09:00:03 PM
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I would like to ask a related question as I've been looking to get games for my past systems.  Does the original Spyro series still hold up as a platformer series?  I understand that it's not Super Mario Galaxy 2 by any means, but is it unique enough to stand on its own right?  A lot of the praise and reviews I find for them seem to be talking a lot about the innovations and the great graphics.  There are tons of other platformers I'm looking to play (Jak & Daxter, Sly Cooper, Ratchet & Clank), should I include the original Spyro games for the PS1 in this list, or are they overshadowed by games like these?
These are the best platformer games for PS1/PS2;
Crash Bandicoot
Crash Bandicoot 2: Cortex Strikes Back
Crash Bandicoot: Warped
Spyro The Dragon
Spyro: Ripto's Rage(Gateway to Glimmer in PAL)
Spyro: Year of the Dragon
Sly Cooper & The Thievius Raccoonus
Sly 2 Band of Thieves
Sly 3 Honor Among Thieves
Jak & Daxter: The Precursor Legacy
Ratchet & Clank
Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando
Ratchet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal

Jak II and Jak 3 are still platformers, but they're structured like a GTA game, and feel more sandbox in nature than the original Jak & Daxter.

Also, the Sly & Jak games are available via digital download on PSN and retail collection discs, with the Ratchet Collection releasing next month in PAL and this fall in the US.

In terms of price, all of the PS2 games can be found dirt cheap, though the Spyro games are somewhat pricier. The Crash Bandicoot games are in between the PS2 and Spyro games in terms of pricing, with the original Crash Bandicoot commanding the highest prices. The Spyro and Crash games are also available via digital download on PSn for $6 a pop.
With your list of games there you just got it spot on  :) The best Platform games by a mile the original Crash Bandicoot and Spyro series on the PS1 was king

April 25, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
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I can CLEARLY see the glitches in Spyro: Enter The Dragonfly on PS2, Holy Shit!  This sucks!  I notice this game was re-release as a greatest hits on the PS2, does anyone know for sure if they fixed the glitches for that version?

April 25, 2012, 10:12:02 PM
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I can CLEARLY see the glitches in Spyro: Enter The Dragonfly on PS2, Holy Shit!  This sucks!  I notice this game was re-release as a greatest hits on the PS2, does anyone know for sure if they fixed the glitches for that version?

I doubt it, Greatest Hits very rarely have any real changes.

April 26, 2012, 12:43:25 AM
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Actually, the Greatest Hits version of Spyro Year of the Dragon is quite different. Some levels have new music tracks, and they fixed the Spike cutscene glitch. It's the definitive version actually.

However, the greatest hits version of Enter The Dragonfly does NOT have any fixes or changes.

April 26, 2012, 06:48:31 AM
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Actually, the Greatest Hits version of Spyro Year of the Dragon is quite different. Some levels have new music tracks, and they fixed the Spike cutscene glitch. It's the definitive version actually.

However, the greatest hits version of Enter The Dragonfly does NOT have any fixes or changes.
On a scale of 0% to 100%, how sure are you on BOTH of those statements that you have just made?