Author Topic: GAME FOR ADVANCE?  (Read 1223 times)

April 02, 2012, 02:55:12 AM
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Patrick

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I dont like to buy from GS eaither as I bought a game "Sticker said New" and brought them the case saying I want to buy this and they took the same case and stuck the game in it.  From what people told me, they have to rip you off.  So after that I never bought from them again.  back in I think 2003 when they still sold PSone and N64 and even SNES I was going to sell my N64, never did.  But was going to sell it with all N64 games and they told me all were not taking anymore N64 stuff in anymore but We can give you 25C for it.  "25 Cents". for my brand new price  when I got it $199 not counting games.

April 02, 2012, 03:04:50 AM
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And i've sent Nintendo the seller link.

April 02, 2012, 03:05:28 AM
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I used to work for gamestop , the company doesnt  provide display cases so we had to open at least one copy of every game to put on the shelf for display ( new releases they made us open multiple copies ) so if its the last one on  hand  you got the ugly display box, i would have demanded a discount  or simply not purchased the game.

April 02, 2012, 03:11:51 AM
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Well he sent me some photos.  The seal placement and logos are correctly placed, for the AUS version.  Actually it has that on the code at the bottem left of the cart.  It does have a tri-wing in it.  So I know that all Nintendo games published would have their logo on the main board.  Sounds to me like they just getting a little better at covering up the deception.  The box has no seal and the obvious mistake on it.

Since it is in the description that the game came form China I wouln't take any chances.  I mean we all know its probably bootlegged.

April 02, 2012, 03:15:10 AM
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Yea I'm of the mind that if it's been opened it used regardless.  Especialyy if they have more than one copy some "new" some used, you might get the disc that been around the block two or three times.  I have had multiple bad runs with Gamestop and Game Exchange both.

April 02, 2012, 03:19:43 AM
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dont know if they still allow it but at one time gamestop allowed employees to sign out games to try ( new or used ) so chances are it has been played if its a popular title

April 02, 2012, 03:31:38 AM
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dont know if they still allow it but at one time gamestop allowed employees to sign out games to try ( new or used ) so chances are it has been played if its a popular title

I don't think they have stopped that practice

April 02, 2012, 03:33:35 AM
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^Last I heard they stopped allowing that for new games a long time ago.

April 02, 2012, 03:43:22 AM
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^Last I heard they stopped allowing that for new games a long time ago.

Thank god.  Although I do still hear of it happening at the Gamestop that is nearest to me.  Could just be rumors though.

April 02, 2012, 06:40:31 AM
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Before you send it back, open up the casing and drill a small hole through the game board.  Close it back up so if he does resell it, he'll have to deal with another return on it as well.

This is known as fraud.


Except that it's not. eBay policy cannot override FEDERAL LAW.   Period.  That's not how the world works.

Because I currently have a 100% record of getting 100% of my money back and keeping the counterfeit items - (although two of which I destroyed, one lot (three games) I UPS'd to Nintendo upon their request -  as I didn't want to keep them anyway).

Seems like you've already solved this problem.

As you've already discovered, it is NOT a federal offense to ship these items via carries such as UPS/FedEx, and that's what paypal/ebay may tell the buyer to do.

Ease up on the whole "it's federal law" bit.  We're not talking about shipping hundreds of bootlegs to a retailer.  Nobody cares about a single bootleg GBA game being shipped.  There isn't a federal prosecutor or judge that would even look at a case this small.  When it comes to the law, there is no "That's not how the world works".   It's just not that black and white.


I'm suggesting that you call them and tell them that any future debits from PayPal are not authorized.  Big difference.

1st off, you cannot de-authorize your PP account without actually talking to paypal.  Again, you've signed an agreement with them.  It's very unlikely that your bank or CC company will block transactions from a specific vendor.  They will instruct you to close your account and open a new one if it's a big concern.  Even then, PP will pursue you for the money. They are relentless fucks, even with an amount as pithy as 15 bucks.

The "big difference" is that any transfers which may take place regarding this transaction aren't going to be considered "future transactions", since the transaction itself has already taken place.  The dispute over said transaction is what the buyer is what your attempting to circumvent.  Any de-authorization of future transactions isn't going to provide any legal leverage for the buyer, nor will it aid in blocking paypal from fetching whatever funds you may win back in a chargeback.


And, again, as for sending the game back - no one can make breaking FEDERAL LAW a part of any agreement.  Ever.  Period.  If they do, tell them you want it in writing.  See how quickly they back off.

"See how quickly they back off" and totally deny your claim is more like it.


I tell y'all what.  I've successfully filed against three different eBay sellers for counterfeit items using the above methods (though I've never had the PayPal problems with the chargeback).

Congrats to you on winning 3 fraud dispute chargebacks.  That's not the norm when it comes to such things, but rather the exception.  Keep in mind that both Mastercard and Visa have recently re-written their fraud chargeback policies.  Filing 2 or more in a given time frame puts you under the microscope.  Just something to keep in mind.


...He's gotten several feedbacks saying what he's selling is counterfeit.

You're exaggerating.  He has one, and it's not even negative.

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I believe its a fake game, but the description says 'copy' so oh well it works

Pokemon Emerald Version (Nintendo Game Boy Advance, 2005) GBA Classic (#120885776982)


I'm not trying to completely discredit your methods, Bob.  I just feel the buyer should be aware that such aggressive tactics aren't necessarily the best route for everyone to take.  You obviously have VERY strong feelings about bootleg games, and that obviously affects your choices regarding the resolution of a situations like these (as evidenced by you insistence on either destroying or reporting the items in question and your assertion that the chargebacks "aren't for the money".) 


« Last Edit: April 02, 2012, 08:51:29 AM by wiggy »

April 02, 2012, 08:24:08 AM
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Let the seller go to the police.

I can see the complaint now.

 "Well, I was selling this counterfeit game on eBay when..."
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April 02, 2012, 08:53:44 AM
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This is an interesting thread.

I see the argument for just letting it go, as I've done this many times with little issues and it just wasn't worth the hassle.  I also understand the buyer frustration, because I've been in this situation and ordered games before only to receive counterfeit copies.  I'm a lot more vigilant now than I was years ago, and so I haven't been defrauded from ebay in a while, but it has happened to me many times in the past. 

I can specifically remember one case where I ordered something from Italy (it was about $80 including shipping), and the estimated shipping time was around 3 weeks.  I contacted them about 4 weeks later, and they said there was an error and they would reship - after about 2 weeks I contacted them and got no reply.  A week or two later they no longer had an ebay account.  Nothing I tried with Paypal or ebay worked in getting a refund because the time that had elapsed was too long, according to them.  So I was out $80.  This is just one of many cases where I've been screwed before on ebay.

In another case, my iTunes account was charged $100 for gift card purchases where the gift cards were given to someone in another country.  It was an obvious scam.  I never give my password out, have a very complex password, and am extremely OCD about my computer and spyware / viruses.  All attempts to contact Apple for a refund were denied.  After multiple e-mails back and forth, it was clear they weren't going to give me a refund.  At the time I had authorized iTunes to link to my credit card, and so my credit card company denied my claim indicating I had authorized iTunes transactions and had to take it up with Apple.  I filed a BBB report, which was "resolved" according to BBB simply because Apple responded to my claim with some computer-generated lame reply.  I was screwed out of $100.

I'm also an Amazon seller, and I sold a PS3 that was working perfectly (and I shipped it with EXTREME precaution).  The buyer indicated it was broken and wouldn't work at all, which I was highly skeptical about, but I offered a full refund including return shipping if he would send it back.  He refused to send the item back at first, and tried to take advantage of some Amazon policy loophole where if the item doesn't have 100% of everything advertised on the product page, the buyer can in many cases obtain a refund without even sending the item back!!!  Anyway, I fought and fought and fought this, and eventually Amazon persuaded the buyer to send the item back.  When I received it back, it worked perfectly!  Clearly the buyer was trying to get a free PS3 using this Amazon loophole.  I got the PS3 back, but I was out shipping, return shipping, and it caused a ton of headache and of course the buyer left negative feedback!

In each of these cases, I learned very valuable lessons and am a lot more careful now with how I buy and sell online.  And while I know that "life isn't fair," and crap just happens, as it has with these issues above (and many more), I also understand how frustrating it can be when you are trying to do things honestly and fair, and you are constantly taken advantage of by other people who just want to screw you over.

I try not to sweat these things much anymore, and just have an understanding that there are a small percentage of cases where I will get screwed out of some order / sale online, but I still fight certain cases very aggressively, when I feel someone has been extremely dishonest and/or disrespectful of my time and money.

I think the real sad thing here, is that there are just SOOOOOO many people who have no problem with screwing over other people for their own personal gain.  It is very disheartening, but that is the harsh reality we live in --- the internet is an amazing thing, but it allows fraud to easily occur with very little ramifications for the parties committing it.  Good luck to those who actually try to fight it!

April 02, 2012, 08:56:00 AM
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Let the seller go to the police.

I can see the complaint now.

 "Well, I was selling this counterfeit game on eBay when..."

The same can be said for your repeated proclamations regarding the illegality of shipping counterfeit items via USPS.  Call the FBI regarding this transaction and see where it gets you.

My point wasn't that it's something that should be reported, but rather that your instructions were rather hypocritical.

Also, see my edit above.
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April 02, 2012, 08:58:50 AM
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I can specifically remember one case where I ordered something from Italy (it was about $80 including shipping), and the estimated shipping time was around 3 weeks.  I contacted them about 4 weeks later, and they said there was an error and they would reship - after about 2 weeks I contacted them and got no reply.  A week or two later they no longer had an ebay account.  Nothing I tried with Paypal or ebay worked in getting a refund because the time that had elapsed was too long, according to them.  So I was out $80.  This is just one of many cases where I've been screwed before on ebay.

Just as an FYI, Italy has some CRAZY customs rules.  They often hold items for up to 6 months.  You may notice that many sellers will NOT ship to Italy.  Since customs affects items leaving and entering the country, both buyers and sellers can be affected.  My .02; just avoid items in Italy from now on ;)

April 02, 2012, 09:15:10 AM
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The same can be said for your repeated proclamations regarding the illegality of shipping counterfeit items via USPS.  Call the FBI regarding this transaction and see where it gets you.

These two go together really well.
Because you're attempting to make the product unusable so that you can ship it through the mail.

Without the drill hole, it's an illegal bootleg.
With the drill hole, it's a non-working replica.  A homemade trinket.

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My point wasn't that it's something that should be reported, but rather that your instructions were rather hypocritical.

Not sure how you get that - my instructions have been constant - do what it takes to hurt the seller.
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