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February 17, 2012, 12:38:27 AM
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soundwave925

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just a quick question for anyone out there who can help me.

I just got an LCD 42" LG HDTV, and was wondering if i could get a better picture by hooking up a retro console to my DVD player via composite and then hook that up to the TV via component or S-video. I dont have any component cables on hand so i cant try it yet, but i wanted to see if anyone here already knows. it doesnt look to good when its hooked up directly to the tv. thanks
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February 17, 2012, 02:00:34 AM
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Won't do anything unless your DVD player has a decent video scaler in it. Which console are you trying to improve?

February 17, 2012, 02:31:50 AM
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......most of the classic ones, I guess. I have them all going through a splitter.

-NES
-SNES
-moded Atari 2600
-Sega Genesis
-Turbo Duo
-Neo Geo
-Sega Saturn
-PS2
-Dreamcast
and some others
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February 17, 2012, 02:49:27 AM
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February 17, 2012, 02:50:14 AM
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......most of the classic ones, I guess. I have them all going through a splitter.

-NES
-SNES
-moded Atari 2600
-Sega Genesis
-Turbo Duo
-Neo Geo
-Sega Saturn
-PS2
-Dreamcast
and some others

It's going to differ a lot based on each system. PS2 can do component, Dreamcast should be VGA. Most of the rest can do RGB Scart which you would then need to feed into a RGB to YUV transcoder. NES you can't do much about.

These are just connection solutions, nothing to do with upscaling the signal at all, so end picture quality will be down to how good your TV's internal scaling is.

February 17, 2012, 03:12:33 AM
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hhhmmm, might have to go with an external upscaler. would you trust this one?

http://www.amazon.com/Composite-S-video-Audio-HDMI-Converter/dp/B003NS0UUQ/ref=pd_cp_e_0
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February 17, 2012, 03:34:43 AM
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Yeah Lenkeng stuff is basically a "get you there" solution, you get what you pay for. I just got there SCART to HDMI box, it does an ok job on my LCD. My plasma actually handles the old stuff through a YUV transcoder quite well.

Is your TV 1080p? If so the 720p output of this might end up a little soft looking. It's hard to say as there's so many variables. Though realistically this is probably one of your only options for svideo at a low price point.

February 17, 2012, 03:58:20 AM
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yes my tv is 1080p. thats ok if it looks a little soft, just something playable will suffice. I really cant stand how n64 games look right now, and also donkey kong country on the snes.

would there be any lag with this upscaler you think? theres is already a little bit.
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February 17, 2012, 10:11:30 AM
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If you want premium picture quality you have to use a premium upscaler.

One of the best is the XRGB3! Really nice product and makes almost any old source look beautiful.
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February 17, 2012, 11:50:29 AM
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I would love to get that, but arent they REALLY expensive? Is it worth it? Plus I dont think they sell them in the US do they? know anywhere I can get one? ???
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February 17, 2012, 01:29:26 PM
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I would love to get that, but arent they REALLY expensive? Is it worth it? Plus I dont think they sell them in the US do they? know anywhere I can get one? ???

To get the best picture out of most of those systems you have to buy RGB SCART cables and the XRGB together. You would be able to use either the VGA or DVI port on the back of the XRGB3 to connect to your TV via VGA or DVI to HDMI, VGA is actually the better option since it's an analog connection.

There's even a better one named the XRGB- Mini or Framemaster that just came out last year. Here's the review of it with lots of pictures:

http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/framemeister.html

To answer your question, if you are willing to spend the money for the best picture out of those systems then yes it's really worth it, the difference between composite and RGB is night and day especially when it comes to modern HDTV's. See for yourself, Emulator vs RGB vs Composite.

http://www.chrismcovell.com/gotRGB/screenshots.html

And if you decide to buy an XRGB they are avaible on eBay for around $400-$500.

Ask for composite up scaling from the NES and S-Video or composite upscaling from the 2600, I couldn't tell you, but if you wanted something to do it, the XRGB would be the upscaler.

Oh btw, here's the list of systems you posted and what they are capable of outputting:

-NES : Composite (Can be heavily modified for RGB but it's very expensive and not the original PPU)
-SNES RGB Native
-moded Atari 2600 Composite or S-Video
-Sega Genesis RGB Native
-Turbo Duo RGB Native (Has To Be Modified to be Routed to the A/V Out Port)
-Neo Geo RGB Native
-Sega Saturn RGB Native
-PS2 RGB Native or YUV (Component Video) This one can go either way since you can switch the video signals on the PS2 menu. Component would be the easiest but RGB would be purest signal.
-Dreamcast VGA Native (Get A Dreamcast VGA Box, as long as your TV can display 640x480 then your set, if not just plug it up to the upscaller)

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February 17, 2012, 03:41:21 PM
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Yep if you've got the cash, go for a XRGB mini. You also might be able to get a DVDO Edge second hand on eBay for around 300.

Cheap options get cheap results, upto how important the end result I'd. If your just looking for "playable" get a RGB to YUV transcoder, feed that to a HD Box Pro scaler then put your TV in gamer mode and call it done. This combo can be paired with a slg3000 (scanline emulator) down the track, good for disguising the slightly noisy upscaling from the HD Box Pro (if your TV has a vga input).

The transcoder and HD box should run you about$110 USD plus whatever cabling you need. It's all about how much you want to spend.

February 17, 2012, 07:38:29 PM
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DVDO EDGE all the way -- xrgb's have a lot of problems and are more expensive.  I own the DVDO EDGE -- AWESOME DEVICE!

September 05, 2012, 09:21:37 PM
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does a composite cable improve ps2 graphics con a 32 lcd tv?

September 05, 2012, 09:26:17 PM
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does a composite cable improve ps2 graphics con a 32 lcd tv?

Component cables will dramatically improve clarity and color on progressive scan capable games, and will marginally improve non-progressive scan games (mostly just better color, but maybe a little clearer). Watch out because supposedly PS1 games can't use the component cable at all (I haven't confirmed this myself).

A composite cable is the standard yellow cable that comes with the system that yields a fuzzy picture with dull colors that bleed all over the place.
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