Author Topic: Cover Artist Credit Discussion Topic  (Read 1179 times)

February 01, 2012, 12:28:11 AM
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Don't get me wrong - I prefer the cover to be as close to the original as possible.

But you and I both know that there are some folks who want to get credited for their work.  If that is what they require before posting their covers, then, in my opinion, so be it.

I love each and every one of my printed covers and am thankful to every single artist who has ever contributed to my collection.  If their requirement is something perfectly reasonable, then I have no issues with complying.

As for the original/original artists not being credited... of course, back in ye olden days, this was the case (back then, the programmers didn't even get credit!).  But today, those who format the covers for release typically get credit in the manual, in the game's credits or both.  For example, check out page 39 in the manual for Twilight Princess.  It credits both the Japanese package designer and the NA Package designer.
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February 01, 2012, 01:12:26 AM
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I love each and every one of my printed covers and am thankful to every single artist who has ever contributed to my collection.  If their requirement is something perfectly reasonable, then I have no issues with complying.
If that is there "requirement" then they can take their ball and go home.  I know that seems very counterproductive and blunt but the covers we have on the site are not to be created for the glory of one.


As for the original/original artists not being credited... of course, back in ye olden days, this was the case (back then, the programmers didn't even get credit!).  But today, those who format the covers for release typically get credit in the manual, in the game's credits or both.  For example, check out page 39 in the manual for Twilight Princess.  It credits both the Japanese package designer and the NA Package designer.
Ok then, if they recreate a manual and give themselves credit on page 39 i'll let that go ;) . On the cover art itself ... still a no go for me.




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February 01, 2012, 01:35:28 AM
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I love each and every one of my printed covers and am thankful to every single artist who has ever contributed to my collection.  If their requirement is something perfectly reasonable, then I have no issues with complying.
If that is there "requirement" then they can take their ball and go home.  I know that seems very counterproductive and blunt but the covers we have on the site are not to be created for the glory of one.

See, here's the thing though - if you, personally, are against the cover with the credit, then you don't have to use it.  Or you can photoshop up a version for yourself without it.  Giving the creator the option to put a credit on there at least gives you the option to have that cover.

However, removing the option for the creator to post their cover then removes the option for those who don't care about the credit to be able to access that cover.

You're saying it's not just about "one" person - but, because you, personally, are against it, you're denying that cover (and any future covers) to the entire community.
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February 01, 2012, 01:58:36 AM
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I'm gonna have to agree with the general consensus here. If I get credit on the download page for my work, then I'm happy. I want acknowledgement for what I've worked on when it comes time to retrieve it. But I didn't create the game. All I did was recreate the cover. Even if it's a custom cover, all I really did was recreate the cover with a different vision. For that I want a nod, sure, but it really has no business on the cover itself. The cover isn't about us, it's about the game.

The closest I think could ever agree to is having the creator's name in the filename. If you want to do that, then I have no problem with it.

February 01, 2012, 02:47:31 AM
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I'm gonna have to agree with the general consensus here. If I get credit on the download page for my work, then I'm happy. I want acknowledgement for what I've worked on when it comes time to retrieve it. But I didn't create the game. All I did was recreate the cover. Even if it's a custom cover, all I really did was recreate the cover with a different vision. For that I want a nod, sure, but it really has no business on the cover itself. The cover isn't about us, it's about the game.

The closest I think could ever agree to is having the creator's name in the filename. If you want to do that, then I have no problem with it.

I have to agree on this.  When I do find a retail cover that has someones personal autograph on it I usually PSP that thing outta there.  The way I look at it, this site gives each artist credit on the download page.  If I were an artist I would be happy with it.  Personally I wouldn't want my name or logo on a cover I made, but thats just me.  :-\

It's the outside people that download the covers then re-uplaod them else where, without narry a word put forward to the site that originally hosts them or the artists that go through the tedium of making them.  That's when it becomes a problem.  I think the artist has every right in that instance to be upset.  There is honestly very little that can be done about it, however. 
« Last Edit: February 01, 2012, 02:50:36 AM by FFXIK »

February 01, 2012, 04:06:03 AM
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It is possible to include artist information in EXIF tag. The only problem that I can think of is that I guess a lot of JPEG files tend to have JFIF, which is an incompatible feature with EXIF and causes some extra issues when dealing with EXIF information. Atleast modern versions of Windows support reading EXIF author tag, so that would be a way to incorporate that.

Tags supported by EXIF - now that's a list that gives one a headache.

I guess the only bad thing here is that finding the tools to modify EXIF may be a bit on the harder side. In the other hand people who rename files and then reupload wouldn't be a problem as a lot of people don't even know what EXIF is :D

February 01, 2012, 06:15:24 AM
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even if we allowed artists to "sign " their covers all anyone has to do is edit it out and they can re-upload the cover as their own for any other forum/purpose  , like others have said "once you set it free on the internets  you'll have no controll over what happens to it " i agrree is sucks to not get credit for work but in the end nothing we do would stop others  from using what we do for good or ill .

 so i'd guess i vote no on  made by tags , watermarks , etc

February 01, 2012, 07:36:40 AM
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Just a note about EXIF tags: these will not be visible in the image. It is textual metainformation within the file, but not in the graphic data.

February 01, 2012, 09:47:47 AM
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I have to agree on this.  When I do find a retail cover that has someones personal autograph on it I usually PSP that thing outta there.

What you're saying is that you prefer the OPTION to get a cover with credits on it vs. not having a cover at all?
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February 01, 2012, 10:41:19 AM
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Here's a better question: who here actually would put their name on covers they create if they were given the option to?

I wouldn't.

February 01, 2012, 11:54:21 AM
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What you're saying is that you prefer the OPTION to get a cover with credits on it vs. not having a cover at all?

Of course I too prefer some cover over no cover.  :P

Here's a better question: who here actually would put their name on covers they create if they were given the option to?

I wouldn't.

Me neither.
And if we give credits to the artist then also person who donated the raws should also get credit, as they are the ones who spend money to enable the cover making.
And then our site should also get credit for storing and enabling the covers.
And Cover Admin who refines and approves the cover should also get credit for his job, and also so we know who does the most approving and also them we know to blame for un-noticed mistakes.
And any person who guides the artist durig the cover making.
And Snowcone for keeping tis site running.

Shall I continue the list.  ;)

February 01, 2012, 11:55:29 AM
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Wanted to put in my 2 cents.... I agree with no designer credits being placed on the covers.
Created Covers:
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(In)complete list of games I have worked on or had a hand in:
Moby Games Page

February 01, 2012, 12:40:06 PM
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Here's a better question: who here actually would put their name on covers they create if they were given the option to?

I wouldn't.

Nope - i will never put any kind of watermark, notice, data in the exif or hidden message in my cover.

I only submit on this site, so if someone takes my cover and uploads it somewhere else, giving another person access to it (for money, free or sexual favours) i really don't care.  It's all for the good of the community.

In fact - i would rather someone else uploaded it elsewhere on the internet, if it keeps idiots away from this forum!  ;D

February 01, 2012, 01:10:17 PM
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So, I've stated plenty of reasons for allowing a creator credit to be put on the cover.  It would only help to increase the covers available, no one is forced to do it, you can remove the credit before printing, etc., etc.

The only reasons not to allow it seem to be summed up in "I don't like it." - which, of course, is solved by just choosing not to print that cover, right?

Under both sets of rules (credit allowed vs. not allowed), someone who's anti-credit has the same outcome - they're going to miss out on covers either way - either because they don't want to print them or the creators don't make them available.  However, someone who's pro-credit or don't-give-a-poop-credit is hurt by the not allowed stance but helped by the allowed stance.

Basically, we have two possible outcomes (credits vs. no credits) and two groups of people (for and against).

Those against are going to miss out either way - so, ultimately, it doesn't hurt/harm them, no matter what they decide.  But those who are for (or don't care) - we're the ones who miss out.

OF COURSE, this doesn't mean anyone is going to be FORCED to put credits on their covers.  And this doesn't mean that we can't continue to discourage artists from putting a credit on their work (though I'm a little concerned about the practice of simply removing it before posting the cover... are you getting an okay from the creator of that cover before doing that?  otherwise, ouch...).  All this means is that if someone *does* want to include a credit and *does* want to make their work available to the community, then we're not making them choose between what they feel is their right vs. providing the community with a service.

Sheep - you're okay with someone making a profit off someone else's work?  But you're against the idea of someone getting a small, single line of text crediting them for the work they did?  I just don't understand that...
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February 01, 2012, 01:21:46 PM
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this is such a pointless debate because nobody's even trying to put their names on covers to begin with

why are we arguing this

it's stupid