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irvgotti452:
That calls for a major mod. IIRC theres an issue with the s/cd and svideo. But yea...not worth it. Play on a CRT and you will clear all your retro problems. Leave the hdtv for current/next gen consoles.
mariocaseman:
I refuse to use more than one TV. With that said, what needs to be modded? All 3 parts?
AppleQueso:
--- Quote from: mariocaseman on December 25, 2011, 08:12:06 AM ---I refuse to use more than one TV. With that said, what needs to be modded? All 3 parts?
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You're kinda like me ;D. I've actually gone to great lengths over the past several months to completely eliminate that second CRT TV from my living room without sacrificing much in terms of image quality.
Anyhow,
I don't actually think that any hardware mod will get rid of those overscan borders. You'll need either a new TV or some sort of scaler that'll let you adjust stuff like H size, H pos, V size, V pos, etc.
I think I've got a cheap VGA adapter that allowed me to do that actually. I wasn't satisfied with the picture quality on the thing so I don't use it now. I'd probably be willing to part with it if you're interested.
Also, if you're looking for better image quality all around I'd just get an RGB Scart cable and an RGB to Component transcoder box of some sort. Doesn't require any modding since the Genesis outputs RGB natively and you'll get a better picture than S-Video. I doubt that'd fix overscan borders (I don't have one for my genesis yet), but those things never bothered me anyway.
zakurowrath:
--- Quote from: AppleQueso on December 25, 2011, 08:41:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: mariocaseman on December 25, 2011, 08:12:06 AM ---I refuse to use more than one TV. With that said, what needs to be modded? All 3 parts?
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You're kinda like me ;D. I've actually gone to great lengths over the past several months to completely eliminate that second CRT TV from my living room without sacrificing much in terms of image quality.
Anyhow,
I don't actually think that any hardware mod will get rid of those overscan borders. You'll need either a new TV or some sort of scaler that'll let you adjust stuff like H size, H pos, V size, V pos, etc.
I think I've got a cheap VGA adapter that allowed me to do that actually. I wasn't satisfied with the picture quality on the thing so I don't use it now. I'd probably be willing to part with it if you're interested.
Also, if you're looking for better image quality all around I'd just get an RGB Scart cable and an RGB to Component transcoder box of some sort. Doesn't require any modding since the Genesis outputs RGB natively and you'll get a better picture than S-Video. I doubt that'd fix overscan borders (I don't have one for my genesis yet), but those things never bothered me anyway.
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I agree, nothings better for classic games than a nice huge CRT using a RGB to Component convertor. When it comes to those convertors thou some HDTV's don't like low res component signals and won't display them at all. Now if you have a PS2 connected through component and can play PS1 games with no problem then low res component signals shouldn't be a problem.
So here's your options for RGB which is native to most classic video game consoles. It has the best picture possible so it doesn't get any better than RGB.
First since your using a Genesis Model 2 with a 32x you need this SCART cable:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-seller-Sega-Genesis-2-RGB-SCART-cable-OUTPUTS-RAW-SYNC-Megadrive-lead-cord-/160654535188?pt=Video_Games_Accessories&hash=item2567c1aa14
If your TV can do low res component signals:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEGA-SCART-RGB-YPbPr-YUV-Component-Video-Converter-/220698773448?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3362ac07c8
The way to get audio is easy just use the stereo RCA output on the Sega CD.
If your TV cannot accept low res component signals you have 2 options.
The first is a SCART to HDMI convertor which is the easiest option since audio and video are combined into one cable. Only thing is, it upscales the image to 720p which to videophiles like me it doesn't look right. But if your not then it's actually a pretty damn good signal that all modern HDTV's can accept.
The second is the most expensive option, but if you have the money then it's worth it since it's pure RGB.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/XRGB-3-Micomsoft-Upscan-Converter-Unit-Japan-Import-Brand-NEW-English-Firmware-/290646735741?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43abe53b7d
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Euro-Scart-Jap-Scart-Convertor-XRGB-Compatible-/120734159490?pt=UK_VideoGames_VideoGameAccessories_VideoGameAccessories_JN&hash=item1c1c511282
You will also need a VGA cable and a 3.5mm audio audio cable
http://www.amazon.com/Monster-iCable-Player-Auxiliary-Input/dp/tags-on-product/B002AR5XIK
http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-6-Feet-Resolution-Monitor-Cable/dp/B000067SMH/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324842530&sr=1-2
Of course, make sure your TV has a VGA port and can accept at least a 640x480 signal.
The XRGB does have a zoom option so it gets rid of some of the overscan borders and sometimes all of it. But you will pay for it and if your TV still shows it then well, you got to remember, these games were met for CRT TV's so it's there for a reason.
And if your wondering, is RGB worth it, well, I have comparison shots:
Composite: http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m137/darkknux_2006/composite.jpg
RGB: http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m137/darkknux_2006/component.jpg
And many more : http://www.chrismcovell.com/gotRGB/screenshots.html
It's a little bit of work but for the best picture on any TV it's really worth it.
AppleQueso:
--- Quote from: zakurowrath on December 25, 2011, 02:57:39 PM ---I agree, nothings better for classic games than a nice huge CRT using a RGB to Component convertor. When it comes to those convertors thou some HDTV's don't like low res component signals and won't display them at all. Now if you have a PS2 connected through component and can play PS1 games with no problem then low res component signals shouldn't be a problem.
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Another way of testing this is if you have a Wii, component cables, and some Virtual Console games. If you leave the Wii in 480i mode and use component cables, it'll actually run Virtual Console games in 240p. The Wii has to be in 480i mode for this. In 480p, it just up-scales 240p to 480p.
--- Quote ---http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEGA-SCART-RGB-YPbPr-YUV-Component-Video-Converter-/220698773448?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3362ac07c8
The way to get audio is easy just use the stereo RCA output on the Sega CD.
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I have that exact same transcoder now, even bought it from the same seller. I can personally vouch that it works well. I even had my PC hooked up to my HDTV via HDMI running BSNES (an emulator) on one channel and my actual Snes hooked up through an RGB Scart cable on another channel and was able to change the channels back and forth with ZERO quality difference between the two signals. I could literally leave the room, have someone set it to one of the two channels randomly, come back in, and not be able to tell which was running.
As for the audio, there's also both breakout boxes that simply add RCA audio-outs as well as specially modded cables that have RCA audio cables on them.
Anyhow I think we're going on a tangent. OP just wants to get rid of those overscan borders, and I'm sure something like the XRGB is a little overkill just to do something like that. I think my VGA transcoder can do that, but I'll have to break it out later and try it.
I do agree that RGB is worth it though, especially given how abnormally poopy the Genesis's composite video is.