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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Doom on July 29, 2010, 06:35:19 PM
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It deserved to fail, but it didn't deserve the immense failure at the hands of the PS2. I get that. What games on the DC are worth playing?
My criteria for "worth playing" (for me and me only, others have different needs)
-No fighters
-If there's a better port on another console, don't mention it
-No old sports games if newer ones are better
As an owner of the other 6th generation consoles, I've long decided I don't need a Dreamcast. I can't think of many reasons to get one besides Jet Grind Radio.
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Worth playing, based on your criteria:
Seaman
Typing of the Dead
E.G.G. Elemental Gimmick Gear (I actually enjoyed this one, not sure about reviews.)
Segagaga
Jet Grind Radio
Shenmue
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Power Stone isn't a fighter in the traditional sense so I'm going to mention it anyway.
oh and Cannon Spike!
the keyboard makes playing Phantasy Star Online much nicer on the DC.
might be worth pointing out that most of the dreamcast games that are available on other 6th gen consoles were originally exclusive until the system's demise.
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Here: The 100 best DC games! (http://gameratio.cheatcodesgalore.com/dreamcast/topgames.php)
And Jet Grind Radio for sure. ;) That list is accurate. :)
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we're forgetting
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2
Shenmue 1 & 2 (pre-ported)
Quake and Unreal Tournament!
Resident Evil Code Veronica (pre Port)
And the fighters have to be mentioned as well as all the shooters
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we're forgetting
Sonic Adventure 1 & 2
Shenmue 1 & 2 (pre-ported)
Quake and Unreal Tournament!
Resident Evil Code Veronica (pre Port)
And the fighters have to be mentioned as well as all the shooters
You're absoutely right, all fantastic reason to own a Dreamcast. But based on Doom's criteria: Sonic Adventure 1&2 were ported to Gamecube, Shenmue 2 to Xbox, Resident Evil Code: Veronica to Gamecube and Playstation 2 - all fantastic games but no longer Dreamcast exclusives.
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-No fighters
At the time it was the only one to have all the SNK fighters. It wasn't until later in the PS2 and Xbox's life that they got all the KoF games (99-02).
Dreamcast was the only console to have:
Capcom vs. SNK
Marvel vs. Capcom
Soul Calibur
Darkstalkers Chronicle
Project Justice
IMO DoA 2 was better on the Dreamcast
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Come on guys. I wrote barely anything in my original post, and you still screw up. There are reasons to love the Dreamcast. None of them apply to me. Most of them do not apply in 2010.
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Come on guys. I wrote barely anything in my original post, and you still screw up. There are reasons to love the Dreamcast. None of them apply to me. Most of them do not apply in 2010.
Well its not practical now, the only reason you can own a dreamcast now is basically emulation and homebrew. As all the good stuff was ported over.
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Ecco the dolphin Defender of the future ( wasnt released on ps2 till way after demise )
Grand theft auto 2
Hydro thunder
JoJo’s Bizare adventure
Jet grind Radio
Sega Bass fishing
Sega Marine fishing
Sea Man
Star lancer ( actually a pretty decent wing commander style game )
Sword of the Berserk Gut’s Rage ( anything beserk is good )
Samba De amigo ( before guitar hero there was this MUAHAHAHA)
Shenmue
Soldier of fortune
The typing of the dead ( gotta have the keyboard )
Virtua tennis
Vigilante 8 second offence
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Ecco the dolphin Defender of the future ( wasnt released on ps2 till way after demise )
Grand theft auto 2
Hydro thunder
JoJo’s Bizare adventure
Jet grind Radio
Sega Bass fishing
Sega Marine fishing
Sea Man
Star lancer ( actually a pretty decent wing commander style game )
Sword of the Berserk Gut’s Rage ( anything beserk is good )
Samba De amigo ( before guitar hero there was this MUAHAHAHA)
Shenmue
Soldier of fortune
The typing of the dead ( gotta have the keyboard )
Virtua tennis
Vigilante 8 second offence
Oh yeah! forgot about JoJo! loooove it!
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I never got a dream cast, cause I thought it WASN'T great. Any of the games I liked that were released on it were either available on another system then, or they are now. Even most of the ones people are listing. I think that might be we why it tanked....wasn't offering anything unique.
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-No fighters
Uhh? The first Soul Calibur??
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what is this thread anyhow, just a giant trollbait for dreamcast fans? :-\
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what is this thread anyhow, just a giant trollbait for dreamcast fans? :-\
Yes! You know Dreamcast fans, they're the worst! :P
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I love trollbait. My question was honest. I think I don't need a Dreamcast. At all. Thanks guys!
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Don't even think about forgetting "Chu Chu Rocket"!
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He's not saying the Dreamcast has no fighters, guys. He's saying that he's not interested in fighters.
Here's a small overview. Read it to get a bigger picture.
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/2007/02/sega-dreamcast-101-beginners-guide.html
Here's a list of all the games on the Dreamcast that are still great to this day. Granted, many have been ported - but disturbingly, not all have.
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/2006/10/best-dreamcast-games-for-today-top.html
These are the Dreamcast games that have, most puzzling, not been ported to other consoles.
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sega/dreamcast/2007/07/sega-dreamcast-exclusives-the-dream-lives-on.html
Not being a fighting game fan doesn't mean you will have no reason to get a Dreamcast. There's still plenty of unique games that have not be ported yet.
As a fighting game fan, I have plenty of reason to both need a Dreamcast and to ridicule anyone I know that doesn't have one. Otherwise, I can recommend:
Jet Grind Radio
Chu Chu Rocket (This Is Important! The GBA version DOES NOT suffice!)
Giga Wing 1 & 2
Mars Matrix
Shenmue
Zero Gunner 2
Virtual On
Daytona USA 2001
Cosmic Smash (This is one of my favorites. I really wish it would get a PSN & XBLA port)
Cannon Spike
Maken X
I haven't played Lack of Love, but I've heard good things. Also, I really enjoyed Sword of the Berserk, Record of Lodoss War and Gunbird 2, which aren't listed on the Exclusives list even though they haven't been ported.
Also, keep in mind that the Dreamcast has the healthiest homebrew scene of any console. You'll never be in want of a game and not be able to find one.
The reason the Dreamcast 'deserved' to fail was that it was providing unique experiences. The games were filled with heart and soul, and the creator's brilliance got a real chance to shine through. And for that, they fell to a corporate giant who was more than willing to deny many a great game on their platform because they weren't taking advantage of whatever hot new trend they dictated to be necessary for their platform.
And seriously, I don't understand how any serious gamer could not have a Dreamcast by now. Go to a flea market. You will find one, and most likely, for less than $20 w/ extra controllers and games.
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I didnt know about Bangai-O. Looks hard as shit but fun. Ill have to try it out.
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What about: (from a quick glance at my DC shelf)
Metropolis Street Racer
Mr Driller
F355 Passione Rossa
Tony Hawk 1 & 2 (better than PS1 versions)
Vanishing Point (Better than PS2 version)
and IMO Heavy Metal Geomatrix and Floigan Brothers are well worth a play.
From the price that you can pick up a DC for these days, usually with a bunch of good to great games, i would say any collector should grab one.
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I honestly think that in terms of realism and overall car handling (not that I have been fortunate enough to drive a F355 myself) F355 Passione Rossa is to this day THE best realistic driving game. Even better than any Gran Tursimo up to part 4 or Forza or PGR. It's hard as hell, but so incredibly rewarding. But even that was not an exclusive. The DC version is superior to the PS2 version but still no exclusive.
I'd say the best exclusives for Dreamcast, the ones that would match Doom's criteria would be Outtrigger, Toy Commander and Daytona USA.
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I love trollbait. My question was honest. I think I don't need a Dreamcast. At all. Thanks guys!
so are you just going to ignore the several games mentioned that DO fit your criteria or what?
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You're absoutely right, all fantastic reason to own a Dreamcast. But based on Doom's criteria: Sonic Adventure 1&2 were ported to Gamecube, Shenmue 2 to Xbox, Resident Evil Code: Veronica to Gamecube and Playstation 2 - all fantastic games but no longer Dreamcast exclusives.
Sonic Adventure 1 on the GameCube was a awful port, for me it was painful to play.
Sonic Adventure 2 on the other had was a Great Port.
He's not saying the Dreamcast has no fighters, guys. He's saying that he's not interested in fighters.
Oops! My bad I miss read that. :p
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Here's a small overview. Read it to get a bigger picture.
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/2007/02/sega-dreamcast-101-beginners-guide.html
Here's a list of all the games on the Dreamcast that are still great to this day. Granted, many have been ported - but disturbingly, not all have.
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/2006/10/best-dreamcast-games-for-today-top.html
These are the Dreamcast games that have, most puzzling, not been ported to other consoles.
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sega/dreamcast/2007/07/sega-dreamcast-exclusives-the-dream-lives-on.html
And seriously, I don't understand how any serious gamer could not have a Dreamcast by now. Go to a flea market. You will find one, and most likely, for less than $20 w/ extra controllers and games.
I've had my Dreamcast hooked up to my main living room TV since I first bought it Sept. '99! I just had a mini tourney with some friends this past weekend on Garou: MotW! :D
Revisiting those links you posted brought back so many memories! So many great games in roughly 2 years time! Sure, a ton of them have been ported in one form or another since then, but fuck, the variety and ingenuity of what was put out by Sega, Capcom, et al. was just awesome (http://www.racketboy.com/category/retro/sega/dreamcast)!
My wife and I still reminisce about playing PSO for way too many hours on end back in 2001 when our relationship was in its first year. ;D
That reminds me, I still never finished Grandia II...
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There are too many good games to mention but it almost looks like this topic was made with a predetermination to not get a DC regardless so I won't waste time listing them.
However, I'm surprised light wasn't brought onto the fact that the Gamecube port of Skies of Arcadia had several features cut back making the DC version far better. In addition, while Shenmue 2 was ported to XBox, the value of the DC version was that you could import your save from the original and end up with different fighting styles and items you'd never be able to get on XBox. There we no enhancements on XBox other than the game being a single DVD. I thought the Sonic Adventure ports were straight across the board, with the Dreamcast having an edge if you're into the Chao mini-games as the VMU was integral to raising a superior racing Chao.
Dreamcast probably did deserve to fail; it was marketed poorly by a company who gave up on it way too early. Many titles felt very experimental in nature, showing off really awesome features but not quite creating the full game experience. That said, for all these quirky titles there were plenty of gems. At it's price today, the system is surely worth owning. Glad everyone else realizes this.
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It did deserve (or at least was destined) to fail - being CD(ish) based like SEGA's last 1.5 consoles when DVDs were a HUGE selling point for the PS2. (DVD drives probably would be VERY expensive if they were put into the DC from the start, but it still caused it to fail)
My criteria for buying it is very strict because I don't think I need it alongside a PC and the other consoles I already have. Sorry SEGA fans! I can't find very many games on the PS2 that I should get because most of the "best" PS2 games are also on Xbox or GC.
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Has anybody pointed out yet that a huge chunk of the better dreamcast games (and saturn games for that matter) are really expensive nowadays?
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You're right, there really aren't any good games for it. Don't waste your time stooping to other folks' level, let them enjoy their inferior system for some inexplicable reason. After all, gaming is about good taste, not personal enjoyment. God forbid anyone enjoy that failure of a system with no good games on it. I'm right and you know it! Argue and I'll ignore you and post a witty picture.
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WTF? I hereby grant all DC owners a one-time non transferable license to enjoy Dreamcast games. I asked, you answered. I'm sorry that there aren't enough games that interest me on it.
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That would rock if I were still a Dreamcast owner. As it were, I sold mine back in 2008. I also owned a PS2 right alongside my DC and probably contributed to it's demise. I never said anything about being a Dreamcast/Sega fan. Love the picture about jumping to conclusions, by the way. ;)
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I seriously just don't understand how anyone who is into retro gaming could look at the Dreamcast and then say "Eh... no thanks." I mean, if you aren't into retro gaming, that's one thing. However, if you are into retro gaming, refusing the Dreamcast would be like catching fish with your bare hands. It's cheap as sin and most the games are cheap as well.
Also, I don't really feel that too many of the better Dreamcast and Saturn games are really expensive. Sure, some are, but I wouldn't say a huge chunk. The really good ones are still usually in the $20-40 dollar range, and I'd rather spend $40 on a great retro game than the same amount on a usually sub-par current generation game.
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I seriously just don't understand how anyone who is into retro gaming could look at the Dreamcast and then say "Eh... no thanks." I mean, if you aren't into retro gaming, that's one thing. However, if you are into retro gaming, refusing the Dreamcast would be like catching fish with your bare hands. It's cheap as sin and most the games are cheap as well.
Also, I don't really feel that too many of the better Dreamcast and Saturn games are really expensive. Sure, some are, but I wouldn't say a huge chunk. The really good ones are still usually in the $20-40 dollar range, and I'd rather spend $40 on a great retro game than the same amount on a usually sub-par current generation game.
Thing is, I consider the $20-40 range to still be pretty expensive for an older console. Keep in mind though, I spend on average of 10-12 dollars or less on most of my games.
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You can get most DC games for less than $10, really. I mean here's a an ace list of worthwhile DC games for under $10 over at Racketboy.com (http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sega/dreamcast/2009/07/the-best-dreamcast-games-under-10.html)
BTW, if you live in the US, and you really want to see the current trends for the DC games market, just visit the DC section (http://www.videogamepricecharts.com/console/sega-dreamcast) over at VGPC.com (http://www.vgpc.com). It's a really helpful tool for collectors to see what a game is currently going for on various marketplaces, and what are its trends over an ongoing time span, so you know when it's a good time to buy a game and when it's good to wait a bit. :)
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The really good ones are still usually in the $20-40 dollar range, and I'd rather spend $40 on a great retro game than the same amount on a usually sub-par current generation game.
What? You don't want an awesome high quality game? Aww you just beat it in 3 hours!? Want to play again??!!! =D
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Two ways to interpret this one...
1) How?
2) Why not?
I love my Dreamcast because of being able to back up games. BOOTLEG ALERT - I would rather back up my games that I own personally, store them away where I know they will be safe, than spend $50 on another copy of Bangai-O that I got for $0.13. *jumps on Doom's Jump to conclusion mat*... MOOT! Piracy is bad, I am all anti-piracy. Nothing lasts forever though. Would rather beat up a junker than use the actual when applicable. If I own a game that I have bought, I would like it to last.
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Well I edited a lot of posts.
Emulation of the DC seems to require a DC BIOS - very unlikely the end user will dump that themselves, and downloading one is illegal. I think we can keep that kind of talk to a minimum, though the actual emulator is legal.
ShoothimNow, are you saying you actually have backups, as in not downloaded but actually backed up? Did you keep the original? Wow.
Maybe I should edit this post again soon...
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Discussing piracy doesn't facilitate piracy, providing links to isos and roms does. Geez people.
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Like I posted earlier, there really is no excuse for pirating DC games when you can buy most of them for under $10 (http://www.videogamepricecharts.com/console/sega-dreamcast). Seriously, at that point the price excuse is pretty much shot to shit.
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Off the top of my head not counting fighters I'd say the top 3 games on the DC
1 Shenmue
2 Soul Reaver (best port by far)
3 Rayman 2 (best port by far)
Honorable mentions: Space Channel 5, Code Veronica and Grandia II
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I've been crazily busy lately (pushing 60 work hours / week) so i haven't been able to throw in my own two cents to this topic. Excluding fighting games, superior ports and old sports games there are still a tone of REALLY GREAT GAMES that are on the Dreamcast. The big draw to why the Dreamcast was so impressive is that at the time many of the great titles and franchises that were on the Dreamcast were exclusive until the Dreamcast bowed down in defeat. My list could go on forever but i'll do my best to limit this list to 15 titles (excluding what you aren't interested in). These are not in order of importance or a ranking system.
1. Phantasy Star Online - You may not be able to connect online through Sega's servers anymore but the offline campaign is still a blast especially with 4 people together. Also if you really want to connect online there are unofficial servers up you can connect to. PSO was ported to the Xbox & Gamecube but the Dreamcast still has the most dedicated following and the newer console versions don't really include anything the Dreamcast versions didn't offer.
2. Sonic Adventure 1 & 2 - I'm going to bundle these ones together on the list because they both got ports to the Gamecube. I can't really put my finger on it but playing these two games on the Gaamecube just didn't feel right. The games wewre obvious ports and handled much better on the Dreamcast. The Chao Garden: While connecting your GBA and copy of Sonic Advance was cool and all for training your Chao ... it was much more fun to raise your Chao on the VMU (memory card). Also you can only raise one Chao per VMU or copy of Sonic Advance. Since the VMUs are so abundant and cheap its a better solution to go the VMU route, not to mention you can hook 2 VMUs together :)
3. Sonic Shuffle - this was the Dreamcast's version of Mario Party. It did not have the same commercial success as the Nintendo version of basically the same game but its a still a great Party Game
4. MDK 2 - was a very creative 3rd person shooter and a blast to play
5. Legacy of Kain - it made the PS1 version look like garbage)
6. Shenmue - You can do pretty much whatever you want in this game. Very new for the time it was not extremely linear and allows you to walk around towns at your own desire and talk to EVERYONE! The story and visuals were unmatched at the time and introduced a lot of great ideas into games that were never thought of before (like being forced to pay attention during cut-scenes by pressing buttons in as they appear on screen, if you don't the cut-scene slightly changes).
7. Ultimate Fighting Championship - all other version of UFC fighting games really sucked compared to this game. Only recently has the UFC games started to get good with the UFC Undisputed frachise
8. The House of the Dead - arcade rail shooters are so much fun to play and this one is just about being arcade perfect. Using lightguns that actually shoot where you are pointing the gun is so addicting and so much fun. If you have ever played this or this type of game in the arcade then bringing it home is indescribable. The Wii port (which i have by the way) is total garbage in comparison to the Dreamcast port. Sure you get both house of the Dead 2 & 3 but since the Wiimote isn't as accurate as a lightgun it gets really annoying having your cross-haires 3" away from where you are pointing.
9. The Typing of the Dead - this is the exact same game as The House of the Dead 2 except you use the Dreamcast Keyboard. The word or letter combinations appears above the zombie's head and when you type it in it the equivalent of shooting them in the head. It is by far the most rewarding way to boost up your WPM with the keyboard.
10. Samba De Amigo - one of the first games to use rhythm based music peripherals. It sounds pretty dumb to shake maracas to the music but its actually really fun. The Wii port was kind of weird playing with the Wiimotes and the soundtrack wasn't the same due to expired song contracts
11. NFL Blitz 2000 - ok this is a sports franchise that is still going today and it is on every other console but it is the best port of the game. The new blitz games just suck and fail to capture the experience of Blitz at its best. The Dreamcast port was the closest thing to the Arcade and had the best visual out of all the ports.
12. Jet Grind Radio - Jet Set Radio Future is on the Xbox but if you want to enjoy the original title outside of XBLA (rumored) then this is a must buy. I mean who doesn't love jumping 15 feet in the air on Rollerblades while spray-painting walls?
13. Chu Chu Rocket - super addicting puzzle game that progressively gets harder as you go on. Sure this happen in all puzzle games but its a fun experience and requires some critical thinking
14. Crazy Taxi 2 - i'll go ahead and exclude the first Crazy Taxi since the ported version were pretty much the same but the second version stayed with Sega. If you liked the first Crazy Taxi then this a great title to pick up
15. EGG - Elemental Gimmick Gear - If you are into RPGs then ... well lets be honest there was only a handful on the Dreamcast. There may not be a lot of RPGs on the console but this is arguably the best one.
!!! BONUS !!!
16. Hydro Thunder - one of the best racers i have ever played and this version is arcade perfect!
17. Gauntlet Legends - everyone loved this game! While its not arcade perfect (damnit Pojo the Chicken EGG 911) its the best version that was ported from the arcade. It looks the best and plays the best, plus it has bonus characters that were exclusive to the Dreamcast version. To be fair the characters were later used in Gauntlet Dark Legacy.
For good fun i'll include some games you may want to look into that we never got in America.
1. Cosmic Smash - futuristic looking and very imaginative type of gameplay. Imagine the visuals of REZ and the gameplay of Breakout and Squash (or tennis) all mashed into one.
2. Karous - there are dozens of top down shooters on the Dreamcast in Japan but this one stands out and can be pretty difficult at some points of the game
3. Shenmue II - see Shenume, same type of stuff
4. Panzer Front - great japanese tank game that still holds strong today
5. Bomber Hehhe!! - basically you are in the driver seat of blowing up huge buildings. Think demolishing building in Vegas only you get to control it.
Lets be honest about the Dreamcast's strong following today. Its the emulation and unofficial ports of games. Call it piracy or whatever you want but doesn't necessarily have to be piracy. We at TCP are completely against piracy and the illegal distribution of games. What i like about the freedom of the Dreamcast is playing games that were never released to the public that were leaked and PC Games that are abandon-ware. I own a copy of Half-Life on the PC and don't think twice about playing the unreleased version on the Dreamcast. I've payed for my copy legitimately and I prefer to play games on consoles so I choose to play it on the Dreamcast out of preference.
I also download indie developer's games all the time since they distribute it freely as well as openBOR mods to my Dreamcast. There are also bootdisc that allow you to use the actual game media from other consoles and play them on the Dreamcast. The NeoGeoCD boot disc actually improves the gameplay of quite a few games but cutting down the load times. I know there are a lot of people that misuse and do illegal "stuff" with there Dreamcast but you can get a lot out of the Dreamcast's ability to play burnt media without ripping off developers.
So Doom, please reconsider giving the Dreamcast a try, you won't regret it!
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Come on guys. I wrote barely anything in my original post, and you still screw up. There are reasons to love the Dreamcast. None of them apply to me. Most of them do not apply in 2010.
Well its not practical now, the only reason you can own a dreamcast now is basically emulation and homebrew. As all the good stuff was ported over.
Games like Crazy Taxi or Tokyo Bus flicker like hell in PS2 but look great in DC, specially when connected by VGA (no comparison).
Also I think you guys are forgetting about Confidential Mission or the ever awesome D2 (american version was censored IIRC), both still exclusive to the Dreamcast.
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shenske just reminded me of OpenBOR! Holy crap I had forgotten to mention that! My fave is Hatchet Ninjaz (http://segahub.org/index.php?topic=1006.0), so hilarious and the remixed soundtrack is so down, it had me and my DJ friend dying to track down the original audio producer because it's so good... "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" Just listening to the link I posted has my head bobbin' as it has that gritty, Shaw Bros. inspired, 36 Chambers era Hip-Hop sound that isn't around anymore. 8)
Back on retail Dreamcast games, what about Seaman, Lack Of Love, Cool Cool Toon, Super Magnetic Neo, and the 4th wall breaking SegaGaGaGa? So much creativity in such a short time! Quintessential Sega that isn't seen anymore due to the hostile takeover/merger by Sammy. Nowadays, it's rare to get a real, true to form, Sega game, with the Yakuza & Valkyria Chronicles series being the last ones with that essence IMO.
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It deserved to fail, but it didn't deserve the immense failure at the hands of the PS2. I get that. What games on the DC are worth playing?
My criteria for "worth playing" (for me and me only, others have different needs)
-No fighters
-If there's a better port on another console, don't mention it
-No old sports games if newer ones are better
As an owner of the other 6th generation consoles, I've long decided I don't need a Dreamcast. I can't think of many reasons to get one besides Jet Grind Radio.
well before PS2 got sega games.... CRAZY TAXI. 1 or 2 take your pick... fun fun.
and my personal fav....
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver. Was much better on dreamcast than PSone.