The Cover Project
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Doom on December 26, 2009, 01:03:05 AM
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http://kotaku.com/5415367/changing-video-game-cases-go-for-the-green
http://kotaku.com/5433949/heres-nintendos-enviro+friendly-game-case-%5Bupdate%5D
I should make a post in the guides section with pictures of all 3 cases. For now, leech off of Kotaku.
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Yeah, I was considering posting about this...
Such a shame, really. The whole reason I switched my jewel-based games to DVD cases was because of their durability and the extra protection.
Now, if anything, these new cases are less protected than the highly-fragile jewel cases - I mean, c'mon, why would you put the holes where the game is? It defeats the purpose to me.
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They have already been doing this to DVD cases...i have some and i HATE them. The do feel fragile, and i imagine will warp the artwork over time. They are very light compared to a REAL DVD case
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so they're just dvd cases with holes in them?
meh, big deal. Yeah you can argue that there's less "protection" by there being less plastic behind the disc, but consider the fact that really, the disc is suspended in a dvd case, the disc never touches plastic anyhow.
The warping issue, maybe, I could see these cases warping more drastically in extreme heat, but you shouldn't be storing your games in places like that anyhow.
Fragile? I doubt they'll be any more prone to damage or breakage than regular DVD cases, and besides, most users here aren't the type to put their games in situations where damage like that can occur anyhow.
And yes, they're lighter, that's what the holes are for. There's no reason to think they'll warp the artwork unless the case itself warps, and for that, well see above.
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Meh, it sits on a shelf, no biggie. If anything I'll miss that heft some cases had, but then again I can always go out and buy a Square Enix game and look at the manual :P
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I got one of these stupid cases with Lego Rockband.
I'm pretty sure I can twist it and the case has no resistance.
I can almost understand the DVDs coming that way (Save plastic, less plastic less pollutants bla bla bla)
BUT, my 40-60 dollar games should get a better treatment.
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yeah, i'm pretty sure accidents happen, and i'd like MORE protection than these. If someone sits on one of these, the disc will crack. And carry a game to a friends house in my back-pack? well, it's more like to get broken in this case with pressure from other items in the bag.
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yeah, i'm pretty sure accidents happen, and i'd like MORE protection than these. If someone sits on one of these, the disc will crack. And carry a game to a friends house in my back-pack? well, it's more like to get broken in this case with pressure from other items in the bag.
I had a copy of Brave Fencer Musashi that died that way. Was in a slim jewel case. :(
Most of what you're saying is speculation though, why not do a few tests yourself? Use a couple of blank cds as dummies and put them in each case, and subject them to various torture tests. Sit on the cases, drop them, etc, etc, see how things go. I suspect the protection you're worried about losing is more paranoia and hyperbole than anything else.
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i super HATE slim jewel cases. That happened with an anime i took to school in my back-pack. When i cleaned out my book-bag at the end of the week, it was snapped-in-two. That never happens with Cartridges.
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Man, does anyone use cd wallets these days? Mine is made out of metal and holds 40 games. No way any of that stuff's getting broken. :P
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The new cases are crap. They say its because they are going green... How much GREENER is it going to be when I buy a regular DVD case and throw their new shit case in the garbage.
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The new cases are crap. They say its because they are going green... How much GREENER is it going to be when I buy a regular DVD case and throw their new shit case in the garbage.
This. I shouldn't have to be extra careful just to compensate for them being "green", and it's not like the consumer is going to notice a difference with cheaper manufacturing costs. I'm not so much worried about the disc as I'm sure that will be fine, but I don't want a cracked case with torn artwork. With this site being about case perfection, undoubtedly most of you will agree.
Off to the trash with this slag. Bring on the aftermarket bought solid cases.
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Most of what you're saying is speculation though, why not do a few tests yourself? Use a couple of blank cds as dummies and put them in each case, and subject them to various torture tests. Sit on the cases, drop them, etc, etc, see how things go. I suspect the protection you're worried about losing is more paranoia and hyperbole than anything else.
This goes to all of you getting all pissy
Man, does anyone use cd wallets these days? Mine is made out of metal and holds 40 games. No way any of that stuff's getting broken. :P
No but it will get scratched to hell. I've delt with those, the small plastic flaps you barely notice at the edges of the sleeve things the discs slide into tend to rub against the disc when removing/inserting them, damaging them over time. This is worse on those ones that hold 4 discs per page.
The new cases are crap. They say its because they are going green... How much GREENER is it going to be when I buy a regular DVD case and throw their new shit case in the garbage.
This. I shouldn't have to be extra careful just to compensate for them being "green", and it's not like the consumer is going to notice a difference with cheaper manufacturing costs. I'm not so much worried about the disc as I'm sure that will be fine, but I don't want a cracked case with torn artwork. With this site being about case perfection, undoubtedly most of you will agree.
Off to the trash with this slag. Bring on the aftermarket bought solid cases.
I somehow doubt that whatever is being done to these things to crack them and tear their artwork will do much less to a standard DVD case.
If there's anything to really complain about, it's the fact that the holes on the front of the case make a big tacky looking "recycle" symbol. The best part about going green isn't protecting the environment, it's showing my friends and competitors that I did.
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Ok great, you don't mind. We do. We're not "getting pissy", we're stating a valid point. There's absolutely no argument that a case with less material is just as durable as a case with more of the same material. That's not exactly hyperbole so much as an axiom. Why then, should anyone be willing to leave it to chance with the new case design that somehow physics might have ignored the gaming industry and made their cases just as strong? Why should we pay the same amount of money for less product? To go green?
If the industry really wanted to go green, they'd use paper-based cases ala GTA: San Andreas, which is stronger than the standard DVD case and contains no plastic. They're just cutting costs to increase their profit margin, and screwing over the customer to do so. That's all this is about, squeezing more money out of the industry.
Eco-friendly cases is a BS excuse that holds no water. The new cases are less durable than traditional ones, it's as simple as that. Doesn't matter if it's only a small percentage, that small percentage is still the extra chance you have of damaged goods. They're not "green" either, because it's still plastic that harms the earth in both production and in disposal.
I'm also foreseeing an increased usage of plastic outer-sleeves (the irony) to protect these games while in the store. There's entire forums dedicated to shoplifting on the internet, you wanna bet against me how long it'll take before someone says "take a razor and cut the entire back of the case out!" ?
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What I'm asking, that somebody actually test the durability of these cases themselves, is perfectly valid. I'm not defending the cases per-se, I'm trying to say that I doubt they'll be significantly less durable than standard cases. If they really are significantly less durable, I'd at least like some first hand proof of some kind. Hell I'd do it myself if I had one of these things.
I agree with you on everything else, it is nothing but a publicity move to milk some more money. Wal-Mart's the one pushing this from what I understand, they've done a lot of "green" things lately that are nothing more than publicity to make the company look more "environmentally friendly" (don't even get my started on why that's a joke). They aren't passing the savings onto us for sure.
Again though, I'm not going to bother worrying about these cases being less durable until I start hearing complaints about them that aren't mere speculation.
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You want complaints that aren't speculation?
I work in retail. DVDs have been shipping in similar cases for awhile now. It's not uncommon for us to be unpacking a box of these and find one or two that have been punctured through the plastic wrap, the plastic liner, the artwork and onto the DVD. And this is before the case hits the shelf for use and abuse by customers.
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Just came from Gamestop. Some of the new cases sitting on the shelves, already show damage to the artwork (dents and such). This comes from people just picking up the game cases. So what do you think that is going to happen to the used games? If you want proof the new cases suck, just go down to your local Gamestop.
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mm, ick then.
What I'm wondering now is where they got the idea that people just toss DVD cases in the trash to begin with. I don't know of anybody who does this unless the case itself breaks, which really isn't a problem. Seems like an incredibly misguided attempt to go "green" if that's actually their intention.
Then again we all know the real reason they're doing this.
Anyhow I found the company that makes these: http://www.viva-eco-box.com/about.html
If you want, why not give them a piece of your mind? Certainly if they get enough complaints about damage, durability, etc. they might consider at least redesigning their cases.
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Basically what I expected, though to be honest I was half hoping to be wrong if it's the direction the industry is going. Who wants to be correct when correct sucks, eh?
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I was under the impression the main reason for doing this was to reduce the weight, saving not only on the cost of shipping, but also the amount of fuel used in transportation.
That makes more sense to me than worrying about people throwing them out.
Although having said that, I do know a few people who put all their DVDs in cd wallets, and although I've told them to give me their empty cases, I'm sure there's plenty out there who just throw them away.
I wouldn't have though anyone would do it with video games though. The people I know who use cd wallets for DVDs still keep their games in the original cases.
It shouldn't be a problem for some time though. If you're buying a new game, which you'd need to to find one of these 'green' cases, and the copy on the shelf is damaged, just tell the person at the counter to get an undamaged copy from the back room. Once it's in your possession, just treat it carefully.
When these cases have been around for a while, and if you're buying a used game, then you'll have problems.
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The sad truth is that, yes, there are a lot of people who just throw away their DVD cases. Not a majority. Not even 1%. But still, a lot.
I know this from working at GameStop. Every now and then, we'll have people bring a huge amount of games in without cases - and when I ask, they'll tell me that they just throw them away as soon as they get them.
Of course, I typically regard most of these people as "Creatures Most Foul". They typically bring about 40-50 discs in, and if they're lucky, one of them won't require resurfacing. About 20 of them we can't even take, because the cost to repair them exceeds the trade-in credit. I always tell them to keep their cases because they protect their games, but they never listen. They never listen.
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Of course, I typically regard most of these people as "Creatures Most Foul". They typically bring about 40-50 discs in, and if they're lucky, one of them won't require resurfacing. About 20 of them we can't even take, because the cost to repair them exceeds the trade-in credit. I always tell them to keep their cases because they protect their games, but they never listen. They never listen.
murder them....
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The sad truth is that, yes, there are a lot of people who just throw away their DVD cases. Not a majority. Not even 1%. But still, a lot.
I know this from working at GameStop. Every now and then, we'll have people bring a huge amount of games in without cases - and when I ask, they'll tell me that they just throw them away as soon as they get them.
Of course, I typically regard most of these people as "Creatures Most Foul". They typically bring about 40-50 discs in, and if they're lucky, one of them won't require resurfacing. About 20 of them we can't even take, because the cost to repair them exceeds the trade-in credit. I always tell them to keep their cases because they protect their games, but they never listen. They never listen.
geez you'd think they'd care more about protecting these things considering they spent around $30-50 each on them.
Creatures Most Foul indeed
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Blockbuster used to throw away several hundreds of DVD Cases every Tuesday. I used to stop buy and get a bag for free when i needed them.
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Blockbuster used to throw away several hundreds of DVD Cases every Tuesday. I used to stop buy and get a bag for free when i needed them.
Yeah, me too. I used to work (SNES through GameCube days) at a used game store next to Blockbuster. They replace them with their stupid locking cases, which, by the way are 1 million times better than the hole-filed "green" pieces of crap. We used empty DVD cases to display photocopies of all our games to prevent theft. Assholes would even steal these...
I bought 3 DVDs so far (Family Guy ESB, Hangover, and the old Denzel movie Fallen) that had these worthless "green" (man, I hate that stupid word) cases and I replaced them with regular cases.
As far as current systems, only got a Wii. Anyone know if Nintendo's online shop would still have the REAL cases without those stupid holes in them? I refuse to allow ANY of these "holy" cases in my house. I only own a Wii, don't have any of these cases yet, but I will throw out any I get and replace them with new ones from Nintendo if I still can order regular cases. I guess you can say I'm a bit anal in the fact that all my Wii cases have to be white (even New SMB Wii), without holes AND have the Wii logo inside. I also replaced the one or two cases of games I had without the Wii logo inside.
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so far i have not encountered these abominations on ps3, im hoping that means they are not doing it, it really has been a pain replacing F***ed up 360 and bluray cases and covers becasue of shipping damage.
tales of vesperia, barely had a case when it arrived, ripped and cracked all over.... disgraceful
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What games are shipping with the new cases?
The most recent PS3 game I bought was Darksiders, which didn't have a 'green' case. Latest 360 game would probably be Assassin's Creed II, which doesn't have one either.
Neither does the Family Guy Something Something Something Dark Side blu-ray.
Perhaps Australia just aren't getting these new cases?
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the only "green" blueray cases ive encountered are the bond movies... and technically hulk ;D
i have a lot of dvd's in the new cases. my buddy loves them, had to roll up a newspaper and hit him for being a fool, i think he understands why they suck now, haha
if these new cases are gonna become the standard, im hoping amazon takes action and starts packing them more securely for shipment.