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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: ShoothimNow on February 27, 2018, 12:19:43 PM

Title: GScartSW_Lite Back In Stock: Cables Questions
Post by: ShoothimNow on February 27, 2018, 12:19:43 PM
For Christmas I bought myself a FrameMeister.  I haven't touched it and it's almost March, ugh.

I have been looking for a SCART selector for months and SuperG finally has some more GScartSW_Lite's back in stock (Forum Link (https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50851&sid=cd2fe9c267952cf7ea683dea89cb9c2a) / Purchase Page Link (http://www.gretrostuff.com/store/pre-order-gscartsw_lite/)).

I have ZERO consoles modded with RGB, and I understand that specific consoles WILL be needed to be modded to output SCART, I just need some help.

List of Consoles that output RGB as standard via the AV port:
Nintendo

Playstation

SEGA

List of Consoles that DON'T support RGB naturally:
Nintendo

I need to buy cables (the GScartSW_Lite doesn't like C-Sync cables or something?) and I need to mod my two Nintendo systems.

Any help with this would be fantastic.  I don't like to buy shit, but I also understand that the most expensive cables are not always the best.  If someone could break down the list and mark what to exactly purchase, that would be fantastic.  

for the N64 RGB mods, I understand that the THS7374 is easy to solder (awesome, because I suck at it), but the more advanced N64RGB board (http://etim.net.au/shop/shop.php?crn=209&rn=548&action=show_detail) allows De-Blur.... ugh, I don't know where to go next.

Again, I have the FrameMeister and just ordered the GScartSW_Lite.  Looking to hook up a bunch of consoles, just need to know what to buy next (Cables / boards).

Thank you all in advance
Title: Re: GScartSW_Lite Back In Stock: Cables Questions
Post by: Hesch on February 27, 2018, 02:01:01 PM
First thing I'd do is hitup Retrorgb.com and they'll tell you what's rgb, what type of sync it uses, and what kind of cables to get for it
Title: Re: GScartSW_Lite Back In Stock: Cables Questions
Post by: ShoothimNow on February 27, 2018, 02:17:30 PM
Oh, I understand RGB  ;D  I'm just figuring we have some anal people on here that have already worked these problems out  ::)

https://retro-access.com vs https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/
Regular shielded vs PACKAPUNCH PRO.

Money really isn't an issue, I just don't know what others have come up with. 

Quotes from SuperG:
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PS1/PS2: don't pick "csync" cable because it has LM1881 sync cleaner integrated, you don't want to process your signal twice. You're left with two choices, cvbs (composite) or sync-on-luma, pick whichever one you want. I personally use cvbs.

^ ^ ^ This is utmost greek to me...

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Well, the general rule is don't get anything with integrated sync processing. If console outputs csync natively, you can get it. If not, pick another cable. I prefer cvbs, but that's just me.
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This.
To summarize: get individually shielded cables to get better image quality, don't get cables with integrated sync stripping IC. My personal advice is to get composite sync version cable for Saturn, some people had troubles with their Saturns. Properly mod your consoles, check retrorgb.com.

PACKAPUNCH is overkill, but probably the best, and just... don't get any with Csync it seems as double sync processing will kill quality...  If the console outputs csync natively (will have to figure this out), I could get the cable, but might as well 'not'. 
Title: Re: GScartSW_Lite Back In Stock: Cables Questions
Post by: ShoothimNow on February 27, 2018, 02:43:15 PM
Product NameModelUnit Price
PlayStation RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE   PlayStation RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE ***
PS1 or PS2?: Playstation 1
Cable Length : 1.5M / 4.92 ft
Lightgun Output?: YES (CRT TV use only..
Sync Type: Luma Sync
RCA / PHONO Audio Breakout whilst still maintaining audio through SCART? : No		PS PACKAPUNCH£28.79
PlayStation RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE   PlayStation RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE ***
PS1 or PS2?: Playstation 2
Cable Length : 1.5M / 4.92 ft
Lightgun Output?: YES (CRT TV use only..
Sync Type: Luma Sync
RCA / PHONO Audio Breakout whilst still maintaining audio through SCART? : No		PS PACKAPUNCH£28.79
Super Nintendo NTSC Famicom SNES RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE   Super Nintendo NTSC Famicom SNES RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE ***
Cable Length : 1.5M / 4.92 ft
SYNC: CVBS
RCA / PHONO Audio Breakout whilst still maintaining audio through SCART? : No		SNES-NTSC PACKAPUNCH£27.59
Nintendo N64 PACKAPUNCH PRO RGB SCART cable for RGB modified NTSC consoles   Nintendo N64 PACKAPUNCH PRO RGB SCART cable for RGB modified NTSC consoles ***
Cable Length : 1.5M / 4.92 ft
Sync Type: Luma Sync
RCA / PHONO Audio Breakout whilst still maintaining audio through SCART? : No		N64RGB PACKAPUNCH£27.59
Nintendo Wii PACKAPUNCH PRO RGB SCART cable    Nintendo Wii PACKAPUNCH PRO RGB SCART cable ***
Cable Length : 1.5M / 4.92 ft
Sync Type: Sync over Composite ..
RCA / PHONO Audio Breakout whilst still maintaining audio through SCART? : No		Wii PACKAPUNCH£27.59
Sega Master System model 1 RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE   Sega Master System model 1 RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE ***
Cable Length : 1.5M / 4.92 ft
RCA / PHONO Audio Breakout whilst still maintaining audio through SCART? : No		MS1 PACKAPUNCH£27.59
Sega Mega Drive 1 / Genesis 1 RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE WITH STEREO SOUND   Sega Mega Drive 1 / Genesis 1 RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE WITH STEREO SOUND ***
Cable Length : 1.5M / 4.92 ft
RCA / PHONO Audio Breakout whilst still maintaining audio through SCART? : No		MD1-S PACKAPUNCH£29.99
Xbox Original RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE   Xbox Original RGB SCART PACKAPUNCH PRO CABLE ***
Cable Length : 1.5M / 4.92 ft
Sync Type: Sync over Composite ..
RCA / PHONO Audio Breakout whilst still maintaining audio through SCART? : No		XBOX PACKAPUNCH£27.59

Total:   £225.50

Total = ~$314.00
I am fine with this (will make the total upgrade close to $900).  But I don't know if these are worth it, or if there are better cables on the market, etc.
Title: Re: GScartSW_Lite Back In Stock: Cables Questions
Post by: Hesch on February 27, 2018, 02:50:53 PM
It's not just RGB that's on that site. He talks about versions of sync and what types of cables to get for each system. And the shielded packapunch cables always seem highly recommended