The Cover Project
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: e_brugal on July 02, 2017, 09:56:52 AM
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I'm in the middle of adding more inputs to my switch box but need to clarify one point
What's the best output that I can get for the following consoles?
Note: don't want any mode consoles neither 3rd party (if it wasn't made for it in that era) or home made cables. I need the best output that I got in that era. For example don't want a moded snes to output component, or a component cable made since 2008 for the snes. Just want the best output in that era.
I search some of them but want to confirm if this are really the best that I could get.
NINTENDO
- NES: Composite
- SNES: Composite
- N64: Composite
- GameCube: Component
- Wii: Component
- Wii U: HDMI
- Switch: HDMI
PLAYSTATION
- PS1: Composite
- PS2: Component
- PS3: HDMI
- PS4: HDMI
XBOX
- Classic: Composite
- 360: HDMI
- One: HDMI
SEGA
- Master System: RF
- Genesis: RF
- CD:
- Pico: Composite
- 32x: Composite
- Saturn:
- Dreamcast:
ATARI
- 2600: RF
- 5200: RF
- 7800: RF
- Jaguar:
Thanks for the help
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master system 1 and megadrive 1 (in EU at least) have composite DIN, and i'm pretty sure xbox classic has component.
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If you have access to RGB-SCART.
French NES has it, SNES has it, PS1 has it, Genesis/CD/32-X has it, Saturn has it, Dreamcast has it, Jaguar has it.
Dreamcast has also VGA but it might not work with all games as does Jaguar but genuine cables are hard to find.
And yes Genesis and master system have Composite.
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RGB-scart is by far the best option for most consoles. A lot of old retro consoles support it by default, it was just a format that never really made it in America. Some retro consoles can also be modded for HDMI, but scart is almost universally cheaper and easier.... However, getting that signal to your tv is where things can get complicated.
Most people use something like the Framemeister or open source scart converter to get those signals sent to their tv with the best possible quality, and close to zero input lag. But again, those things are expensive.
I'd recommend digging into retrorgb.com. they'll really cover all your options for best possible output for each console. I also really enjoy the YouTube channel, "My Life in Gaming". They go over all possible options and explain it very well.
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SNES and N64 also output s-video, which is typically easier to make use of in the U.S. (Though obviously not with newer TVs)
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Thanks all for your answers, searching only for NTSC US consoles. As for the tv I'm planning on buying a crt tv, but I have never seen one with s video or RGB scart input here in the Dominican Republic. I thing RGB scart is only use in Europe.
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Not sure if you want to count it, but I think the Genesis 3 came with a mono composite cable. If I remember right, I want to say they packed in the rf cables with the first two models, but you could buy composite cables for them.
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well with HD Retrovision (which no one has brought up), Genesis and SNES are Component
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I use RGB for my Genesis on a Sony PVM that I bought from a place that was going to scrap it. It's by far the best picture quality from original hardware that I've ever seen. If you want to delve into RGB, PVM's or anything else console video related you should check out My Life in Gaming on youtube https://www.youtube.com/user/mylifeingaming (https://www.youtube.com/user/mylifeingaming). I learned a ton from these guys! Good luck man!
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Like others have said, Scart is your best best with several of these consoles, but in the US, that usually isn't an option. So I'm assuming you want the best option without using that. I've listed the systems from you OP that were not correct.
SNES - s-video
N64 - s-video
GameCube - s-video
PS1 - s-video
Original Xbox - component (and digital optical audio)
Master System - composite
Genesis / CD / 32x - composite
Saturn - s-video
Dreamcast - VGA (or s-video if VGA isn't available)
Jaguar - s-video
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Like others have said, Scart is your best best with several of these consoles, but in the US, that usually isn't an option. So I'm assuming you want the best option without using that. I've listed the systems from you OP that were not correct.
SNES - s-video component
N64 - s-video
GameCube - s-video
PS1 - s-video
Original Xbox - component (and digital optical audio)
Master System - composite
Genesis / CD / 32x - composite component
Saturn - s-video
Dreamcast - VGA (or s-video if VGA isn't available)
Jaguar - s-video
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Like others have said, Scart is your best best with several of these consoles, but in the US, that usually isn't an option. So I'm assuming you want the best option without using that. I've listed the systems from you OP that were not correct.
SNES - s-video component S-video
N64 - s-video
GameCube - s-video
PS1 - s-video
Original Xbox - component (and digital optical audio)
Master System - composite
Genesis / CD / 32x - composite component
Saturn - s-video
Dreamcast - VGA (or s-video if VGA isn't available)
Jaguar - s-video
I need the best output that I got in that era.
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ATARI
- 2600: Modded Composite
- 5200: Modded Composite
- 7800: Modded Composite
- Jaguar: S Video
There ya go
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ATARI
- 2600: Modded Composite
- 5200: Modded Composite
- 7800: Modded Composite
- Jaguar: S Video
There ya go
Like others have said, Scart is your best best with several of these consoles, but in the US, that usually isn't an option. So I'm assuming you want the best option without using that. I've listed the systems from you OP that were not correct.
SNES - s-video component
N64 - s-video
GameCube - s-video
PS1 - s-video
Original Xbox - component (and digital optical audio)
Master System - composite
Genesis / CD / 32x - composite component
Saturn - s-video
Dreamcast - VGA (or s-video if VGA isn't available)
Jaguar - s-video
Note: don't want any mode consoles neither 3rd party (if it wasn't made for it in that era) or home made cables. I need the best output that I got in that era. For example don't want a moded snes to output component, or a component cable made since 2008 for the snes. Just want the best output in that era.
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ATARI
- 2600: Modded Composite
- 5200: Modded Composite
- 7800: Modded Composite
- Jaguar: S Video
There ya go
Like others have said, Scart is your best best with several of these consoles, but in the US, that usually isn't an option. So I'm assuming you want the best option without using that. I've listed the systems from you OP that were not correct.
SNES - s-video component
N64 - s-video
GameCube - s-video
PS1 - s-video
Original Xbox - component (and digital optical audio)
Master System - composite
Genesis / CD / 32x - composite component
Saturn - s-video
Dreamcast - VGA (or s-video if VGA isn't available)
Jaguar - s-video
Note: don't want any mode consoles neither 3rd party (if it wasn't made for it in that era) or home made cables. I need the best output that I got in that era. For example don't want a moded snes to output component, or a component cable made since 2008 for the snes. Just want the best output in that era.
^^^ Yup.
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Note: don't want any mode consoles neither 3rd party (if it wasn't made for it in that era) or home made cables. I need the best output that I got in that era. For example don't want a moded snes to output component, or a component cable made since 2008 for the snes. Just want the best output in that era.
You'll have to start making the distinction of if you want to stick with what was ONLY available in your region or not then. Because for some consoles, different regions had vastly different quality/connections out of consoles. And if you want to get the best quality available out of the hardware, based on what was actually available in that generation, it may still require a mod to enable.
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This is how I took his request.
The video signals used in the US for video games systems are the following (in order from lowest quality to highest quality)
RF
composite
s-video
component
VGA (debatable, could be on the same line as component)
HDMI
What's the best choice from the above list for each console without moding or buying a cable that wasn't available when the system was active?
If ^^^ this is what you are looking for, then the info I provided earlier is what you need.
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Another thing to think about is audio. There are different levels of audio quality. Luckily, this is a little simpler because there are not nearly as many options.
In the US, the audio signal for video game systems could have been provided through the following methods.
RF
RCA (mono)
RCA (stereo)
digital optical
HDMI
Here is your same list from before:
NINTENDO
- NES: RCA mono
- SNES: RCA stereo
- N64: RCA stereo
- GameCube: RCA stereo
- Wii: RCA stereo
- Wii U: HDMI
- Switch: HDMI
PLAYSTATION
- PS1: RCA stereo
- PS2: digital optical
- PS3: HDMI
- PS4: HDMI
XBOX
- Classic: digital optical
- 360: HDMI
- One: HDMI
SEGA
- Master System: RCA mono
- Genesis: RCA stereo
- CD: RCA stereo
- Pico:
- 32x: RCA stereo
- Saturn: RCA stereo
- Dreamcast: RCA stereo
ATARI
- 2600: RF
- 5200: RF
- 7800: RF
- Jaguar: RCA stereo
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Note: don't want any mode consoles neither 3rd party (if it wasn't made for it in that era) or home made cables. I need the best output that I got in that era. For example don't want a moded snes to output component, or a component cable made since 2008 for the snes. Just want the best output in that era.
You'll have to start making the distinction of if you want to stick with what was ONLY available in your region or not then. Because for some consoles, different regions had vastly different quality/connections out of consoles. And if you want to get the best quality available out of the hardware, based on what was actually available in that generation, it may still require a mod to enable.
Thanks all for your answers, searching only for NTSC US consoles. As for the tv I'm planning on buying a crt tv, but I have never seen one with s video or RGB scart input here in the Dominican Republic. I thing RGB scart is only use in Europe.
Need what was available in that era, made to work with the system in north america
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Like others have said, Scart is your best best with several of these consoles, but in the US, that usually isn't an option. So I'm assuming you want the best option without using that. I've listed the systems from you OP that were not correct.
SNES - s-video
N64 - s-video
GameCube - s-video
PS1 - s-video
Original Xbox - component (and digital optical audio)
Master System - composite
Genesis / CD / 32x - composite
Saturn - s-video
Dreamcast - VGA (or s-video if VGA isn't available)
Jaguar - s-video
So there was a cable in that era made for this consoles, S video for Snes, N64, GameCube, PS1, Saturn and Jaguar. A Component cable for the Original Xbox Composite for the Master system, Genesis/ Cd / 32X, and S video Cable for the Dreamcast? (it will be realy hard to find a TV with VGA input here in the Dominican Republic)
Remember for sale in that era that was made to work in those consoles.
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So there was a cable in that era made for this consoles, S video for Snes, N64, GameCube, PS1, Saturn and Jaguar. A Component cable for the Original Xbox Composite for the Master system, Genesis/ Cd / 32X, and S video Cable for the Dreamcast? (it will be realy hard to find a TV with VGA input here in the Dominican Republic)
Remember for sale in that era that was made to work in those consoles.
Yes, that is correct. For the Dreamcast, it will probably be easier to just go with s-video, but I included VGA since it was technically an option at the time.
Here's a few things to consider:
• The s-video cable for the SNES, N64 and GameCube is the same cable.
• The s-video cable for the PS1 is the same as for the PS2 and PS3. Obviously the PS2 and PS3 have better video options, but if you find s-video and it says it's for the PS2 or PS3, you can use it on PS1.
• The original Jaguar s-video cable is going to be expensive. There are homemade versions available out there for a lot less. These homemade cables were probably made in the past few years which based on your post you might not want. However, they are meant to work exactly like the original s-video cables that were available when the Jaguar was an active system.
• The composite cable for the Master System is the same as the composite cable for a model 1 Genesis, but not a model 2.
• You might want to list your specific Genesis/CD/32x setup. Which model Genesis? Which model CD?
• The Xbox component cable is an adapter that plugs into the video out port and is about six inches long. From that adapter, you can output component video, and either analog audio or digital optical audio (which I recommend). Again, this was available back when the Xbox was active.
• Original Saturn and Dreamcast s-video cables are probably going to be expensive. Like the Jaguar, you will have to decide if third party cables are acceptable or not. Quality of third party will vary, but many work well.
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TG-16 is getting no love in this thread
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TG-16 is getting no love in this thread
lol those where the first consoles that came to my mind. but i was going to add more console in the future. but yes, TG 16 also which cable uses back then?
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TG-16 is getting no love in this thread
lol those where the first consoles that came to my mind. but i was going to add more console in the future. but yes, TG 16 also which cable uses back then?
Out of the box it was RF only. However, an adapter that allowed for composite video was available during the systems life. Also, the Turbo Duo had composite outputs, so that would be your best best while still fitting in with your OP.
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So there was a cable in that era made for this consoles, S video for Snes, N64, GameCube, PS1, Saturn and Jaguar. A Component cable for the Original Xbox Composite for the Master system, Genesis/ Cd / 32X, and S video Cable for the Dreamcast? (it will be realy hard to find a TV with VGA input here in the Dominican Republic)
Remember for sale in that era that was made to work in those consoles.
Yes, that is correct. For the Dreamcast, it will probably be easier to just go with s-video, but I included VGA since it was technically an option at the time.
Here's a few things to consider:
• The s-video cable for the SNES, N64 and GameCube is the same cable.
• The s-video cable for the PS1 is the same as for the PS2 and PS3. Obviously the PS2 and PS3 have better video options, but if you find s-video and it says it's for the PS2 or PS3, you can use it on PS1.
• The original Jaguar s-video cable is going to be expensive. There are homemade versions available out there for a lot less. These homemade cables were probably made in the past few years which based on your post you might not want. However, they are meant to work exactly like the original s-video cables that were available when the Jaguar was an active system.
• The composite cable for the Master System is the same as the composite cable for a model 1 Genesis, but not a model 2.
• You might want to list your specific Genesis/CD/32x setup. Which model Genesis? Which model CD?
• The Xbox component cable is an adapter that plugs into the video out port and is about six inches long. From that adapter, you can output component video, and either analog audio or digital optical audio (which I recommend). Again, this was available back when the Xbox was active.
• Original Saturn and Dreamcast s-video cables are probably going to be expensive. Like the Jaguar, you will have to decide if third party cables are acceptable or not. Quality of third party will vary, but many work well.
For which one was made for?
If there was a cable made for the console in that era i don't mind buying a 3rd party cable
Both Model 2
Was made for that console or it started when the genesis?
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For which one was made for?
If there was a cable made for the console in that era i don't mind buying a 3rd party cable
Both Model 2
Was made for that console or it started when the genesis?
You could buy an s-video cable for the SNES back when it was still an active system. Nintendo just continued to use the same a/v connector for the N64 and GC, so the same cable can be used for all three. Please note that the SNES Mini cannot use s-video. I don't believe I mentioned that before.
You will probably end up using a lot of third party cables since the originals can be expensive depending on the system. They are not widely available, because back in the day almost everyone used RF or at best, composite.
For your Genesis/CD/32x you should be fine using composite video out of the 32x.
Master System composite video was available when the system was active.
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For which one was made for?
If there was a cable made for the console in that era i don't mind buying a 3rd party cable
Both Model 2
Was made for that console or it started when the genesis?
You could buy an s-video cable for the SNES back when it was still an active system. Nintendo just continued to use the same a/v connector for the N64 and GC, so the same cable can be used for all three. Please note that the SNES Mini cannot use s-video. I don't believe I mentioned that before.
You will probably end up using a lot of third party cables since the originals can be expensive depending on the system. They are not widely available, because back in the day almost everyone used RF or at best, composite.
For your Genesis/CD/32x you should be fine using composite video out of the 32x.
Master System composite video was available when the system was active.
Thanks!!!!
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Another thing I was going to mention is that back in the day, most people used whatever cable came with the system when it was brand new. Very few people would spend the money to upgrade their video cable, so anything that didn't come with it is usually uncommon. I can't think of any systems that actually came with an s-video cable. The NES and SNES came with both RF and composite and I used both growing up. But I never bought a new cable for anything until I bought an s-video cable for my PS1 in college. I bought a TV that had s-video input and that's what got me interested in learning about different video options. And since that time I've always tried to use the best quality video available. Like you, I don't do a lot of system modding for enhancements, although I've certainly considered it. My Duo R has a component mod, but it came with it when I bought it and my Master System has the FM sound mod which I put in myself. That's about it. I've also bought HD Retrovision component cables for SMS, Genesis, SNES and Saturn. The only system that could be done better without a mod is the GameCube running component, but I'm not going to spend that kind of money. I still have hope for HD Retrovision or some other company finding a way to reproduce the chip used in the cable.
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ATARI
- 2600: RGB
There ya go
Fixed that for ya :) (And yes, I know it doesn't answer OP's question, but I figure if we're also talking about mods, we might as well go all out)
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I live in France and i can say ALL systems before PS2/XBOX works better with RGB SCART on a CRT TV, but slower ( 50 hz ) except Dreamcast ( VGA on HDTV for 480p games ), Game Cube ( the most expensive component cable in the world ! ) and NES ( the european composite is MUCH better than the french RGB SCART, because hardware is different, thanks NINTENDO ).
Anyway RGB SCART is the best but S-VIDEO is very similar. For my Dreamcast I use a VGA-box and outputs are VGA and S-VIDEO plugged on a CRT, and for 240p games it's just beautiful !
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Still bums me out that SCART never became a standard here. Instead we were bombarded with a number of other options which only served to make shopping for cables and such a somewhat confusing and expensive mess. Not to mention what the backs of our TVs used to look like. I've got a Sony DLP Wega that has a zillion inputs. 3 composite & S-video (yes, I said THREE S-video), 2 component, 1 DVI with RCA audio, analogue audio out (RCA & optical), plus a 4th Comsposite & S-video input on the front of the set.
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Still bums me out that SCART never became a standard here. Instead we were bombarded with a number of other options which only served to make shopping for cables and such a somewhat confusing and expensive mess. Not to mention what the backs of our TVs used to look like. I've got a Sony DLP Wega that has a zillion inputs. 3 composite & S-video (yes, I said THREE S-video), 2 component, 1 DVI with RCA audio, analogue audio out (RCA & optical), plus a 4th Comsposite & S-video input on the front of the set.
Looks like you have a little Puzzle over there lol
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Still bums me out that SCART never became a standard here. Instead we were bombarded with a number of other options which only served to make shopping for cables and such a somewhat confusing and expensive mess. Not to mention what the backs of our TVs used to look like. I've got a Sony DLP Wega that has a zillion inputs. 3 composite & S-video (yes, I said THREE S-video), 2 component, 1 DVI with RCA audio, analogue audio out (RCA & optical), plus a 4th Comsposite & S-video input on the front of the set.
I completely agree. I never had a DLP, but I used to have one of those rear projection LCDs which was somewhat similar. It had a crap load of inputs on the back. My 1080P Sony LCD is one of the earlier 1080p TVs so it also has a crap load of inputs including one s-video which is sort of rare for a 1080p.
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I got my dad's 2nd ever LCD TV off him. 46" Samsung. Composite, Component, Svideo, VGA and HDMI. Running my SNES/Genesis through the HD Retrovision cables into this looks amazing
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Still bums me out that SCART never became a standard here. Instead we were bombarded with a number of other options which only served to make shopping for cables and such a somewhat confusing and expensive mess. Not to mention what the backs of our TVs used to look like. I've got a Sony DLP Wega that has a zillion inputs. 3 composite & S-video (yes, I said THREE S-video), 2 component, 1 DVI with RCA audio, analogue audio out (RCA & optical), plus a 4th Comsposite & S-video input on the front of the set.
I completely agree. I never had a DLP, but I used to have one of those rear projection LCDs which was somewhat similar. It had a crap load of inputs on the back. My 1080P Sony LCD is one of the earlier 1080p TVs so it also has a crap load of inputs including one s-video which is sort of rare for a 1080p.
I have a Samsung LCD that's the same. Bought it in 2007. It doesn't get along with older consoles very well though :/
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I had been connecting my Genesis/Sega CD/32X combo via composite through the 32X on my CRT until I recently got a second set of HD Retrovision component cables. I always knew Genesis composite was worse than other consoles of the era, but it didn't really hit me until I connected my TurboGrafx-16 via composite to the same TV. The TurboGrafx composite is FAR better than what the Genesis outputs, even through the 32X. It's sharp and clear, and almost looks like s-video quality in comparison to Genesis.
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I will add that for a matter of convenience only, the Dreamcast's S-video cable does make the picture look much better than the standard composite. Of course any of the VGA boxes work vastly better but the post was about original cable options. And the Dreamcast does have original Sega branded S-video cables but I'm not savvy enough to remember the product number. I bought mine as I used to game on a CRT and used an S-video switch. Good luck finding an original Sega brand VGA box though. I had a hard enough time finding the S-video cable...
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I will add that for a matter of convenience only, the Dreamcast's S-video cable does make the picture look much better than the standard composite. Of course any of the VGA boxes work vastly better but the post was about original cable options. And the Dreamcast does have original Sega branded S-video cables but I'm not savvy enough to remember the product number. I bought mine as I used to game on a CRT and used an S-video switch. Good luck finding an original Sega brand VGA box though. I had a hard enough time finding the S-video cable...
Thanks!!
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I believe VGA is an official original output for the Dreamcast because many games state on the back of the case that they are compatible with VGA. Unfortunately, not all games will work with a DC connected via VGA - you'll get a message saying that the game will not work with the attached cable. Kind of sucks because you have to swap cables to play certain games, but I guess a few hiccups were expected since DC was the first 480P capable home console.
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I picked up a Toro Box a few months ago for VGA which looks incredible going straight into my HDTV's VGA input. However, I wanted to simplify it and use HDMI, especially for video capture, so I picked up an assortment of VGA to HDMI boxes and the results were nothing short of incredible. There are some boxes out there that don't do all that well, but the three I picked up are all equally incredible! I did a short video on my youtube channel and also have direct capture on there. It's truly breathtaking and looks even better in person! Be sure to watch in HD. Game audio is a little low, but that's because I adjusted it so my commentary could be heard and I forgot to bring it back up for the remainder of the video clips. LOL! Audio sounds fantastic through these boxes as well!
https://youtu.be/yEdVZyf0VoU