The Cover Project
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: soundwave925 on December 31, 2011, 02:11:46 AM
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dont know if anyone else has seen this yet but I was roaming around google and stumbled across this website:
https://www.seymoronion.com/UGC.html
Apparently this guy is planning on manufacturing custom made game cases for most if not all platforms(he seems open for suggestions), including uniquely shaped carts like super gameboy, pokemon pinball, game genie, etc. They are going to be full-sleeved, supports a Manual + paperwork, and best of all, they will be made to safely secure the game inside with NO modification. He will also be able to ship any quantity you desire to anywhere in the world.
According to his website, everything is still in development(aside from TG16 hucard sleeves) and wont be available until early 2012..... for most of the products, a lot of them are TBA as well.
It sounds to me like he is making these things specifically to help support our cause here at TCP since he obviously mentions this site and provides a link to it, and also because he mentions that we use universal game cases and how they are adequate but not perfect.
:o If this whole thing is for real, then this will be a HUGE gold mine for us :o
Sounds almost too good to be true, what do you guys think?
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Bookmark! I'm sure many people have a good chunk of there games cases in UGC, so there may be no point in switching to these. For new people like myself this is perfect. It will be nice to see how this works out, Hopefully this turns into something big.
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Damn, this sounds pretty good. I've already got over 160 UGCs modded to NES, but if these are better I'd gladly switch. The place to hold a manual is a big selling point for me since I'm a manual junkie (as opposed to an automatic junkie *rim shot*). Right now the manuals are just kind of loose in there so it'd be nice to have them snug like clips on a DVD case.
Of course, I also have about 90 brand new UGCs sitting in my closet too, lol. Definitely going to be keeping my eye on this, though.
Edit: Oh wow, just saw he's got plans for GB/GBC cases, too. I've never tried to modify a DS case to get a GB game to fit, but I know you have to do extra modification on them just to fit the manuals. Granted I only have 2 GBC games so no biggie, but I'd still like to have them cased. :P
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Bookmark! I'm sure many people have a good chunk of there games cases in UGC, so there may be no point in switching to these. For new people like myself this is perfect. It will be nice to see how this works out, Hopefully this turns into something big.
Well we dont know the dimensions for these yet, they could very well be similar in size to UGC, and if thats the case(no pun intended) people can get these and just have them go alongside the cases they already have, and that would be awesome!
Also, what really excites me more than the nintendo cases are the TG16, 32x, handhelds and specialty cases. It would be nice to properly fit gameboy games for once.
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Well we dont know the dimensions for these yet, they could very well be similar in size to UGC, and if thats the case(no pun intended) people can get these and just have them go alongside the cases they already have, and that would be awesome!
Since he specifically mentions TCP I'd imagine he'll be keeping the exterior/sleeve the same size as that of the UGC otherwise the covers we have may not fit properly.
BTW, how long ago has it been since he updated his site? Since he mentions 'late 2011 or early 2012' I'm guessing it's been a little while because 'late 2011' ends, well, tomorrow. ;D
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BTW, how long ago has it been since he updated his site? Since he mentions 'late 2011 or early 2012' I'm guessing it's been a little while because 'late 2011' ends, well, tomorrow. ;D
lol, yes it does. Well it says his info page was last updated in March, sooooo.......
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lol, yes it does. Well it says his info page was last updated in March, sooooo.......
Ack, that's not good. I also notice he says that the new cases will be designed depending on how well the TG16 ones sell, but it does make me wonder why he decided to base everything off the TG16 sales. I can all but guarantee had he started with NES or SNES he wouldn't be able to keep them on the shelf fast enough, but TG16 is probably his preferred platform which is why he started with it.
Since he obviously knows about TCP, I wonder why he hasn't registered on the forums. This would certainly give him a good idea of how many he could sell, even just around here.
I've actually often wondered how much it would cost to get a case designed (and manufactured, of course) to perfectly accommodate an NES game and manual.
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People shouldn't get their hopes up too high. He is clearly a dreamer but will this become real? Let's analyze it.
He wants to make cases for many different games fiting snugly. This means there have to be many different versions produced. Which means he can't do big runs off every version cause otherwise he could end up with many many spare cases hence killing his finances. So he makes smaller runs which means the cases will be pretty expensive. This again means less orders cause UGCs will be much cheaper which means it will never work.
The page hasn't been updated for ages. This could mean that he realized after selling his HuCard sleeves didn't go as well as he hoped that making many different cases without a clear market in not too big quantities at too high prices could ruin him. So maybe he allready has decided to not do it. Anyone contacted him?
So guys be a bit more realistic. Would be cool but maybe rather won't be happening.
@wolf: By the way he didn't sell cases for TG16 cards just sleeves.
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Damn you and your logic, tek. ;D
Yeah, it would definitely be a money pit unless he had access to his own custom plastic molding company or something. I guess it's just as well, as OCD as I am with stuff like this I would have had to replace all my UGCs and that would have been more expensive than I would have liked.
Ah well, back to cutting. :P
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I've been following him since he created account here, and talked to him recently, and actually his next cases are what interest me: DVD type cases that hold Mega CD and Saturn tall manuals.
The page hasn't been updated for ages. This could mean that he realized after selling his HuCard sleeves didn't go as well as he hoped that making many different cases without a clear market in not too big quantities at too high prices could ruin him.
He said that he is running on one case type at the time principal, so after sellig his Hu card sleeves to make more money, he'll go to next type of cases, which might be the cases that MCD / Saturn collector's need.
He said that the he tries to keep the price quite low with quite big product runs.
I'll let him tell more when he next time stumples here.
I'll let him know about this topic. Hope hyou dfidn't scare him away ;D
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Hey guys!
What Arseen said is correct. I plan to introduce most of the case designs one at a time.
However, when it comes to the Specialty Cases that only support one or two different things, like the Sonic & Knuckles + Genesis Gameboy Case, I plan to also have other case designs in the same mold as it, thus saving a lot of startup money on the molds, but there is a catch.
No matter what injection-molded case designs I make, or how many designs can be put in the same mold, I will need to make at least tens or hundreds of thousands, per run, in order to keep the per-case costs nice and low (well under one USD).
Last year I inherited my grandmother's house, and am using it as a climate controlled warehouse, so space isn't an issue when it comes to doing those large runs.
The only real issue is the startup costs for doing Injection Molding.
Most of those costs go in to making the molds themselves, and the entry fee starts at about 25,000 dollars.
When you add the one-time mold fee to the cost of doing a huge run of cases, you'll start to understand why it is that no one else has already started making custom cases.
For example, lets's take one of the rough-estimate quotes I got earlier this year for a run of 100,000 Game Cases @ 0.21 cents each. That right there is 21,000 dollars, then you add the mold fee to it, and boom!
The cost of the first run shoots up to 37,000 dollars.
You then take that 37,000 dollar amount, and divide it by the number of cases for the first run (100,000) and that makes the first run actually cost, on a per-case-basis, about 37 cents each.
I also need to get some custom shipping boxes made, to support the various quantities people may buy.
Custom shipping boxes are relatively cheap for me, though, as I live rather close to a company that does that.
It works out to only add a fraction of a cent to the cost of each game case, if someone buys a 100 or more cases at a time.
In the long run, it is also cheaper to get custom boxes made, for specific quantity ranges, for three reasons.
1. Retail outlets that sell boxes in bulk mark up the price, so they can turn a profit.
2. By designing your own boxes, you can make sure they will protect your products properly during the shipping process.
3. You can qualify for, and pass on to your customers, lower shipping prices, because you aren't wasting a lot of space, and don't need to use as many Styrofoam Peanuts to fill any voids.
So yes, it is very possible for me to get the custom game cases made, here in the States, and keep the price of them very competitive with the UGC's. I just need to earn enough money to do so.
Keep in mind, though, that the numbers stated above are based on rough estimates I got from Injection Molding companies earlier this year.
In order to get hard numbers, I need to either hire an independent 3D CAD Designer, or pay additional fees for the 3D CAD modeling to be done in-house by an injection molding company that offers that as an option.
Some of the 3D Designers also have 3D Printers for making prototypes.
The costs for getting 3D CAD Designs made varies, as does the 3D Printing Prototype service.
I'm still weighing the options available, but will make sure to pick an option that does include the 3D-Printing-Prototype option.
To be honest, I wanted to start with the tall Sega CD/Saturn Game Cases, and the NES Game Cases, first, but I did not have enough start-up money available, in order to be able to afford to do so. That's the reason why I had to go with the HuCard / SegaCard sleeves first.
I fully intend to see this project through, no matter how long it takes.
I do have a regular (boring) job apart from gaming, that I use primarily to pay for utilities, gas, and food,
and am saving whatever money I left over from that, and adding it to the 'Company Account', so to speak.
My Grandmother's house is paid off (I only have to pay property taxes on it once a year) so even if I can't sell enough HuCard Sleeves to start production on the Game Cases, I will still be able to make them, eventually, thanks to my regular (boring) job, but it'll take a while.
For clarification, whenever I start a new product line, I will still continue to make older product lines, whenever the stock on them gets so low as to warrant another run.
In other words, I'm not going to stop producing any of my product lines, unless I make a revision that gets the job done better than the previous design.
I really hate it when companies just stop making something good, because it's not bringing in "At least X Amount" of profit per quarter or whatever, when it comes to certain products, such as gaming accessories.
I do understand the reasoning behind it, but that still doesn't make it right.
Case in point: Ya can't use a Game Genie/GameShark/ActionReplay/CodeBreaker and so on, with Virtual Console (or whatever they call them on other consoles) Games. You need to have either an Original Console for that,
or use an Emulator on your PC, and hope that the emulator fully supports your game, and the PC is powerful enough, and so on.
Also, the last time I checked, you can just go out and buy an adapter that will let you use Any Controller from Any System with Any Other System. Some limited versions of said adapters do pop up from time to time, and some companies do make reproductions of older controller designs, but how long do they stay on the market? Not long enough IMHO, but I digress...
Ok, on to the good stuff: The Design of my Game Cases.
The cases for NES, SNES, n64, SMS, Genesis, and 32X (Carts) will have the same outer dimensions of the UGCs, and be fully compatible with all of the wonderful covers here that were made for UGC Cases.
The cases for Sega CD/Saturn games will look like a standard single-disk DVD Case, but be a little taller, so the manuals for those games can fit inside, and be held in place safely and securely. As soon as the dimensions on these cases are finalized, I'll publish that info here, and on my website.
For the short-term, regular cover inserts designed for standard-size DVD cases should be compatible with them,
*assuming I don't need to increase the spine height in order to be able to accommodate the Disk + Manual,
so you all can use those temporarily, until some users here are able to make taller versions of the covers.
*I might need to have a thicker spine than standard size, because I don't want to make any cases so tight that they will make an impression of Disk Holding Parts, or Cart Holding Parts, on the Manuals. That would be very bad, and make the cases pointless.
The Sega CD / Saturn Cases will feature a push-button style core, that will not Chip or Crack the center hole of the game disks.
The manual holder half of the case will have the Tabs arranged in such a way, so as to never come in contact with any area of the manual that is Embossed, or has Foil on it.
The DVD-Style Cases for SegaCards and HuCards will be fully compatible with the Standard-Size DVD Style Inserts available here.
The CD-Style Cases for SegaCards and HuCards aren't compatible with any of the inserts here, I think, as it looks like you all are only making inserts for DVD-Style Cases, when it comes to this game type. There is at least one person over at the PCEngineFX.com forums that might make inserts for these. I'm not sure.
The Outer Dimensions of all of the cases for Portable Games will either be the same as, or very close to, Nintendo DS Cases. As has already been mentioned, some of those cases will have to be a little thicker, or taller, or wider, to accommodate certain Manuals and Carts. These cases are most likely to be made last, because I need to have an extension built on to the house and/or another structure built on the property, so I can have more warehouse space, before I start making them.
After I have all of my case designs active and available, and either the addition to the house and/or other building constructed, I will be able to then start investing $ into getting the other product lines up and running, such as Gamepads, Composite AV/S-Video/RGB/Component Cables and Adapters and Converters, Power Bricks, Replacement Parts, Console Shells, and a number of other things I'm keeping secret for now. ;)
Whew! Sorry for the long post!
If you have any questions or suggestions, feel free to post em here, if you want my responses to be public (a good idea),
or send me an e-mail or PM if you don't. ;D
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After I click on "Post", I'm going to change all of the "Late 2011 / Early 2012" entries to "TBA" on my website, for the products that I don't have active yet.
I made those estimates back before I knew how long it take to coordinate the the Box Manufacturing Process with the Sleeve Manufacturing process, with the Injection Molding Manufacturing process,
and I assumed the HuCard Sleeves would have been in much higher demand than they turned out to be.
I also lost nearly a whole month of time to get this going when I got the Flu.
I spent the whole time I was ill at my folk's place, and added a week of wellness to the end of that, before I went back to the warehouse, because I wanted to make sure none of my stuff would get contaminated with germs.
I'm not really prone to getting sick; it usually happens to me only once every couple of years.
I have some agreements set in place now with some family members and friends, so that the next time I do get sick, one or more of them can fill orders in my absence, so it won't be an issue for you all.
The only thing that me getting sick again will affect, are new product line launches, if any of them happen to coincide with me getting sick, as that's something I have to handle myself. Even then, all that would do is delay a launch by a few weeks or a month. This is highly unlikely to happen again.
Did I just jinx myself? :o
EDITED TO ADD:
I forgot to mention that my website is currently frames-based.
You'll have access to other areas and more information, if you visit http://www.seymoronion.com directly.
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Am I correct in asumption that the Sega CD mold makes several cases at once?
If yes would it be possible to make on "slot" make cases that hold several discs?
Least some Saturn games come on atleast 2 discs, like Andretti Racing.
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Am I correct in asumption that the Sega CD mold makes several cases at once?
If yes would it be possible to make on "slot" make cases that hold several discs?
Least some Saturn games come on atleast 2 discs, like Andretti Racing.
Yes, yes, and yes.
Is the on-slot (spindle?) design you speak of, the one that's used for the multi-disk Xbox 360 games, such as Blue Dragon?
I'm holding the case for Blue Dragon in my hands right now, and can say that making that variation is certainly doable.
Star Ocean, The Last Hope (XBOX 360) has the same 3-disk spindle thing.
The case for Infinite Undiscovery has one of the two disks in a hinged sheet thing.
I think that doing it this way would not leave enough room for the manuals.
Tales of Vesperia (I have the metal case special edition) employs the use of two spindles on the same side.
I could do something like that as well, but I worry that having the disks overlapping unevenly like that,
could cause some scratches.
But yeah, the Blue Dragon way of supporting multi disks on a single spindle/hub/slot thing would probably be ideal.
It could also double as a case for some multi-disk PS1 games, (for people who would rather use a DVD Style Case instead of a Multi-Disk CD Case) but would only have one tab available to hold the manual in place.
I say some ps1 multi-disk games, because a number of them come with 4+ disks, and i think the single spindle design might only support up to 3 or 4 disks.
I'll put this Sega CD/Saturn Case Variation in my design notes.
Out of curiosity, how many Saturn Games are multi-disk, and what's the max number of disks you've seen come bundled in a single Saturn game?
Knowing that will help me choose how to set up the Bundling (#-Pack) of the cases.
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Great to hear you're still planning on doing this, mate. I do wish you the best of luck, though I can't imagine it would be easy raising that kind of capital with just a 'normal' job. I wish I could help out but my house, unfortunately, is NOT paid for yet. :P
But I'm definitely interested in hearing about/seeing your design for the NES cases. Also, with the current UGCs, SNES and N64 (and full-height NES) manuals have that slight bend in them when you put them in the same sleeve as the game, but due to the thickness of the cart I don't see a way around this even if you had a clip to hold the manuals in place. But I'm sure you've got all that planned out so definitely keep us all informed on your progress since this is mostly designed with TCP-users in mind, it seems.
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Am I correct in asumption that the Sega CD mold makes several cases at once?
If yes would it be possible to make on "slot" make cases that hold several discs?
Least some Saturn games come on atleast 2 discs, like Andretti Racing.
Games like Panzer Dragoon Saga and Enemy Zero take up to 4 discs.
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One Sega Saturn Site says:
In North America, the existing tall, single hinged case design used for Sega CD games was adopted for Saturn titles. The cases incorporate a white spine containing a 30 degree stripe pattern in gray (although this pattern was not used with later games), with white outlined lettering displaying the words "Sega Saturn". The manual slides into the case in the same manner as the liner notes in a normal jewel case, and the cover often carries a back insert with information about the game. The manuals were substantially larger than standard CD manuals, and as a result had more room for art. Games spanning multiple discs had special inserts to accommodate the extra discs; two-disc games had an extra plastic tray that slotted into the front half of the case to hold the extra disc, and three-to-four disc games had the extra discs packaged in paper sleeves specially cut to fit into the case.
With more research I found that atleast game called Riven comes on 4 discs.
I could not find list that tells how many multi-disc games games released.
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I think probably 4-disc single tab case (similar to Blue Dragon case) is good option.
Or case that has two tabs on back case, manual on the front. That would be for 2 disc games.
For 3 and 4 disc games the case could have clips where a "page" for the two additional discs could be attached.
This way you would only have to make 1 type of multidisc case that could be adapted to hold either 2 discs without the page, or 3-4 (or even 5 if there is such game) by attaching the page.
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Nice to hear you are still planning this but when I analyze your post in detail it tells me that it would be an extreme high risk for you to to such large runs. What would you do if there wouldn't be as many people interested in new UGC like cases? Then you invested ten thousands of dollars and they are only coming back slowly. You know UGCs are readily available for a low price and many people have quite a stock of them at home.
If everything works out I'll be getting 300 in the next weeks. :)
So what I love is the taller DVD case idea because almost every SegaCD or Saturn game I get from the US has broken hinges or is cracked, so a case accomodating those games WITH manuals would be awesome.
There would be a market for these cases I think.
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Nice to hear you are still planning this but when I analyze your post in detail it tells me that it would be an extreme high risk for you to to such large runs. What would you do if there wouldn't be as many people interested in new UGC like cases? Then you invested ten thousands of dollars and they are only coming back slowly. You know UGCs are readily available for a low price and many people have quite a stock of them at home.
If everything works out I'll be getting 300 in the next weeks. :)
So what I love is the taller DVD case idea because almost every SegaCD or Saturn game I get from the US has broken hinges or is cracked, so a case accomodating those games WITH manuals would be awesome.
There would be a market for these cases I think.
Getting UGC to Europe is pretty hard / near impossible.
He on the other hand promised to ship to Europe as cheap as possible.
We the Europeans are his saviour! ;)
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Hmmm. I'm european too... It's just a matter of how hard you try and what you are willing to pay. I get a case for around 1 Euro which is still ok for me.
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Now this is the way to start the new year, I'm really hoping this project gets off the ground. I think we should post this in classic fourms like Digitpress, AtariAge, NintendoAge, etc and tell classic game stores about them so we can get some more interest and meet the demand, maybe even exceed it :)
And just maybe if the demand is high enough, maybe we could get custom cases for Atari 2600, 5200, 7800, Jaguar, Colecovision, Intelivision, Vectrex, hell even the Neo Geo since I hear those cases are getting rarer every day.
Best of luck on this project, I hope for great success with it ;)
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You both make excellent points.
I should make the Tall Sega CD Cases before making any UGC Variants.
If sales are slow, it won't bankrupt me.
It'll just take longer than expected to earn enough money for the next project.
As I said before, I inherited a House, and a nice chunk of land, and I don't have a problem with sticking with my Day Job until retirement age. ;)
I live a relatively simple life, and only travel when on business.
So long as I have enough money for food, utilities, gas/petrol, a new car whenever my current car dies, property taxes, and gaming, I'm as happy as a clam, and my day job has that covered. It also has nice retirement benefits.
I've looked in to making cases for the Atari 2600, 5200, 7800, but I haven't yet looked in to the Jaguar, Neo Geo, Colecovision, Intelivision, or Vectrex.
I do have plans to make cases for Atari 2600, 5200 and 7800. I need to work out some of the finer details of my other cases before I can choose how to go about it, though. There are several ways I can do it, but I can't get into the details right now. 8)
I can say that whatever method I choose, the outer casing will be the same dimensions as a UGC, and fully compatible with all of the UGC artwork you guys have already made.
I've seen a lot of it in another thread, and man, it's awesome. :o
Is it true that there were only 67 Cart-Based Games made for the Jaguar?
Are any of them shaped differently from each other, or can I just buy any single random Jaguar Game and use only it during the prototyping phase of case design?
Are all of the manuals / printed materials that came with those games the same size?
I need to know of any variations so I can make sure to position the Manual Tabs properly.
When it comes to Neo Geo Games, can any of you provide some links to places where I can read about them in detail? Also, any suggestions would be most helpful as well, like, should I make Cases or Cart Shells for the MVS games/boards? How many NeoGeo Cart Shapes do I need to accommodate? What about the dimensions of the manuals? Suggestions on specific titles to get, so I can use them as a frame of reference, would be great too. I don't know a whole lot about the system.
I never owned a Colecovision, Intelivision, or Vectrex.
Any helpful links or info about these systems would be most appreciated.
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What would you do if there wouldn't be as many people interested in new UGC like cases? Then you invested ten thousands of dollars and they are only coming back slowly. You know UGCs are readily available for a low price and many people have quite a stock of them at home.
I have quite a few friends that would love to invest in UGC but are turned off due to the fact that they dont hold the manual, and that the case has to be modified to fit NES games, and they have massive NES collections. After telling some of them about these new cases they are definitely on board and would love to get their hands on A LOT of these. I would purchase about three or four hundred myself. I only have about 100 UGC for my nes, snes and n64 games with plenty of loose carts lying around, and I was soooo close to buying more that is until I saw his website. I think I am going to hold out a little longer for these. Shoot I might even grab me some turbo sleeves as I do need a lot of those as well. I have many loose hucards stacked up. ;D
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When it comes to Neo Geo Games, can any of you provide some links to places where I can read about them in detail? Also, any suggestions would be most helpful as well, like, should I make Cases or Cart Shells for the MVS games/boards? How many NeoGeo Cart Shapes do I need to accommodate? What about the dimensions of the manuals? Suggestions on specific titles to get, so I can use them as a frame of reference, would be great too. I don't know a whole lot about the system.
I was just reading about a guy who is making new boxes to hold MVS cartridges over on the neo forums. They are made for the mvs but he says they will house the AES carts as well. They look extremely sexy on the shelf all lined up together with their uniformed look and are made completely out of cardboard and sticker labels. Here is the thread:
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?224851-NEO-GEO-neominibox-for-MVS-(and-AES...)
The only major problem is that it is really expensive to ship these to the states since he makes them in Italy, plus his prices are a bit high for the product itself, and all it is is cardboard. Now originally I would have said to go with a "shockbox" style case, which is cool too, but I personally think these are way nicer looking, plus they take up a lot less room on the shelf as opposed to shocks. I also recall you saying that you could get custom boxes made at a low cost for shipping out cases right? well would the same manufacturer be able to make these MVS boxes? They are very simple in design.
You could contact the guy and ask him for the dimensions of the box layout, he seems eager to help out anyone who is interested in his idea. I say its worth a shot, They would be a lot cheaper than producing shock boxes..... I think?
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Is it true that there were only 67 Cart-Based Games made for the Jaguar?
Are any of them shaped differently from each other, or can I just buy any single random Jaguar Game and use only it during the prototyping phase of case design?
Are all of the manuals / printed materials that came with those games the same size?
Yes.
No, so yes.
Yes, same size as SNES ones.
I should make the Tall Sega CD Cases before making any UGC Variants.
Personally I would sooo like to say yes, but I think NES and SNES (and Jaguar) specific cases would get you money faster to fund the other cases.
And when you make cases for NES, Sega CD and Saturn make sure that they accomodate all manual sizes.
NES has 2 sizes (3 actually but two near identical)
Sega CD has 2 sizes (tall ones and CD sized)
Saturn has 2 sizes (normal tall ones and bit larger VHS ones like Andretti racing)
Also PS1 cases would be nice, they should all have same outer dimensions, but should be able to hold up to 5 discs (Myst is the only 5 disc one i think, but many have 4) and thick EU manuals 7mm is the thickest i casn think of.
About the same size as normal PS1 cases but like half height DVD cases. Usable also for DC, 3DO and Jaguar CD games. These I'd buy 1000 right away.
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You know another problem is the timeframe of this whole thing. It could take months or years before the NES or other UGC-like cases for special cart dimensions are done. Besides UGC work neatly for most carts except NES carts where I have to say modding is a bit of work. On the other hand a hobby is a hobby.
As for manual clips. Nice idea but impossible to realize for all manuals because of a huge difference in thickness depending on the region. Especially when we talk about Genesis/MD/SNES or PS1 games.
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As for manual clips. Nice idea but impossible to realize for all manuals because of a huge difference in thickness depending on the region. Especially when we talk about Genesis/MD/SNES or PS1 games.
Nope, it isn't.
The DVD cases that use to hold my SNES games with manuals have clips that can hold anything from single paper up to the thickest manual I have with 98 pages, and could go up to at least 150 I guess.
EDIT: Just checked and could fit 4 about 100 page manuals in the there before one clip snapped.
Two problems: of course the clips won't now hold manuals under 50 pages, and no way the game fits in there anymore.
But you can make UGC sized case that holds cart and has with clips that hold any normal manual.
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I was just reading about a guy who is making new boxes to hold MVS cartridges over on the neo forums. They are made for the mvs but he says they will house the AES carts as well. They look extremely sexy on the shelf all lined up together with their uniformed look and are made completely out of cardboard and sticker labels. Here is the thread:
http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?224851-NEO-GEO-neominibox-for-MVS-(and-AES...)
The only major problem is that it is really expensive to ship these to the states since he makes them in Italy, plus his prices are a bit high for the product itself, and all it is is cardboard. Now originally I would have said to go with a "shockbox" style case, which is cool too, but I personally think these are way nicer looking, plus they take up a lot less room on the shelf as opposed to shocks. I also recall you saying that you could get custom boxes made at a low cost for shipping out cases right? well would the same manufacturer be able to make these MVS boxes? They are very simple in design.
You could contact the guy and ask him for the dimensions of the box layout, he seems eager to help out anyone who is interested in his idea. I say its worth a shot, They would be a lot cheaper than producing shock boxes..... I think?
Thanks for the link!
I could indeed have those cardboard boxes made locally, and sell them for well under one dollar each (without labels). It would require an initial investment of around $1,500.oo, including the tooling, but not the shipping.
However, I'd rather make the NeoGeo Cases out of plastic, as they'd be more durable, support full wrap-around Cover Inserts, Manuals, and wind up costing only about 10 cents more to make (per case) than the cardboard boxes.
If any of you guys want to make the NeoGeo cardboard boxes here in the states, you can get some quotes from your local box makers. The probability of finding a local box maker in your state is rather high, as I found through my research that nearly every state has at least 1 box manufacturing plant, in the contiguous United States.
Just make sure they have the facilities to make them on site, and that they aren't just a go-between for a factory in another city, state, or country, so you can get the lowest possible price quotes.
If you are in or near the Houston Area, you can use the same cardboard box manufacturer I use, Southern Container (http://www.southerncontainer.com/).
Last time I checked, they will ship to any city and out of state, but they might charge extra for that (be sure to ask).
Also, you need to tell whatever company you want quotes from, that you are unsure of the quantity you need to order, so you can meet your goal of X cents per box, so they can give you appropriate price ranges/breaks for the right quantity ranges.
If you can get a design from that guy, be sure to include it in your quote request e-mails, as well as the specs for the material used to make the boxes; ie: Flute Type (if it is corrugated), thickness, and so on. Be sure to ask the Italian guy for these additional specs. It'll speed up the quote process.
The current designs for my UGC-Variant Cases will support manuals up to 1/8 of an inch thick, and in some cases, up to 1/4 of an inch thick.
There will be two versions of the 8-Bit NES Game Cases.
One will support the small manuals that are somewhat similiar to the ones that come with a HuCard.
The other version will support both of the (similar to SNES Size) Large Manuals.
As most NES manuals are of the Small Size, I can just put like 5 patterns for Small Manual Cases in a single mold, along with a single pattern for the Large Manual case.
That way the machine will spit out 5 small + 1 large case each time it's used.
The actual ratio I'm going to use is still undecided at this time, as it will depend on the capabilities of the machines at the Injection Molding company I finally chose (I haven't chosen one just yet).
I am going to use PS2-Style Manual clips for the manuals in my cases, but they will not be exactly the same as them. They'll be tweaked a bit to ensure they'll not be too tight or loose, or too wide or too long, or even too short.
If you know of any cart manuals that are thicker than 1/8'th of an inch, please let me know.
If you know of any Sega CD, 32X CD, or Saturn Manuals, that are thicker than a Manual for games made by Working Designs, please let me know about that as well.
I'm going to buy the Andretti Racing, Saturn Game, later today or tomorrow and see if my current case designs will support it.
Is it ok if I get the American Version of that game, or do I need to import an overseas copy, in order to get the manual that's sized weird?
I'm 99% sure that they already have support for both the Normal Extra Tall, and Near-CD Size Small Manuals, as I remember testing my tab placements with the small version of the Sewer Shark manual, as well as the really thick (and normal extra tall) Working Designs Manuals.
I'll double check that later today, or tomorrow.
One of the drawbacks of the tab design that is employed by standard DVD Cases and PS2 games,
is it's elasticity. As Arseen found, once they are stretched or bent past a certain point, they lose the ability to hold thinner printed materials.
This can be mitigated somewhat, by altering the thickness of the tabs, or the curvature.
The type of plastic that's being used for the case also affects the tab's elasticity and durability.
This also applies to Cart Tabs.
I have a number of Genesis and 32X Cart Game Cases, with broken cart holder tabs.
It's pretty easy to see why they broke (mostly due to poor design / too much stress in places that were not properly reinforced, or over reinforced, or to thin, and so on).
A lot of my attention is going into the designs of all of my tabs, and I plan to stress test them well before their first run, so I can come up with the most durable design that won't scratch up or crease any manuals, carts, or labels, and be able to accommodate the various manual thickness ranges, that are applicable to each case.
I understand that in order to be able to compete with the UGCs, I need to have a similarly priced, superior product, that also offers highly sought-after features that are not found in the UGCs, and I'm all for that! ;)
My current timeline for product releases does indeed suck (for lack of a better term), but on the bright side, it allows for ample time to refine the designs before they go into mass production.
I am definitely going to go with the popular designs next, to generate revenue as fast as possible, so I can get all the designs done.
However, I am going to wait at least One Year before I make any NeoGeo Cases, so the Italian Guy can recover his initial investment, as well as anyone else who duplicates his design.
I also need that time so I can afford to do that house extension and/or have a new warehouse built, because those shock boxes are going to take up a lot of space. ;D
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Just a crazy idea for the manuals (feel free to ignore) and it may cost more, but what if there were a small, clear plastic sleeve attached to the inside of the case to hold the manual, similar to this? This would eliminate all stress of a plastic peg pressing against the manual.
(http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/428706579/Men-s-Brown-Genuine-Leather-Business-Or-Credit-Card-Holder-40-Card-Package-Plastic-Insert-ID.jpg)
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Wow man this is an awesome idea! I can't wait for these cases, especially the NES ones.
The only thing that I'm not too sure about is the Genesis/MD cases being the same size as UGCs. On the one hand it'll make them instantly compatible with the covers on here, on the other hand it'll make them incompatible with original artwork inserts which some people like to use. It's really easy to resize the UGC sized covers to standard Genesis case size so all the UGC formatted covers can be easily resized (I'd even volunteer to resize large numbers of them if the admins want to offer the option of standard Genesis case size for download). Also, I think collectors would prefer it if the new Genesis cases were the same size as the original ones so they'll look identical when displayed on a shelf. IMO I think the Genesis cases would be better off being the same size as the original Sega units. Just my two cents.
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Just a crazy idea for the manuals (feel free to ignore) and it may cost more, but what if there were a small, clear plastic sleeve attached to the inside of the case to hold the manual, similar to this? This would eliminate all stress of a plastic peg pressing against the manual.
(http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/428706579/Men-s-Brown-Genuine-Leather-Business-Or-Credit-Card-Holder-40-Card-Package-Plastic-Insert-ID.jpg)
That is an excellent idea, and would remove the need to make 2 variations of the NES Cases.
I'll start looking in to the costs of doing so, when I am closer to having enough money to start approaching Injection Molding companies again.
If they make the case as a whole too expensive, I could release them later, sold separately, as an upgrade of sorts.
All I'd have to do is make sure to include some punch-outs in the cases, at strategically placed points, so ya'll could easily add them later, using pop rivets.
If I make the backing of the envelope pouches somewhat stiff, and the front flexible, and include a flap over the opening (so the manuals won't just slide out), and put 2 or 3 wings/fingers on the side opposite of the opening, it could work.
Ya'll could just use some pliers to remove the manual tabs, then rivet the fingers to the side of the case. It should be relatively easy, and fast, to do.
They would also work exceptionally well in the half-height DVD Cases with multi-disk support for PS1 Games that were suggested earlier in this thread.
In case I didn't mention it earlier, I added that half-height case idea/design to my "To Do / Investigate" list, the moment I read it. 8)
Wow man this is an awesome idea! I can't wait for these cases, especially the NES ones.
The only thing that I'm not too sure about is the Genesis/MD cases being the same size as UGCs. On the one hand it'll make them instantly compatible with the covers on here, on the other hand it'll make them incompatible with original artwork inserts which some people like to use. It's really easy to resize the UGC sized covers to standard Genesis case size so all the UGC formatted covers can be easily resized (I'd even volunteer to resize large numbers of them if the admins want to offer the option of standard Genesis case size for download). Also, I think collectors would prefer it if the new Genesis cases were the same size as the original ones so they'll look identical when displayed on a shelf. IMO I think the Genesis cases would be better off being the same size as the original Sega units. Just my two cents.
That was the original plan for those particular cases, and I can go back to it (I still have all of my old designs) but there are a few issues with doing so.
1. Certain parts of the Master Molds can be modular, such as the placements for interior tabs, and walls around the carts.
So long as the outer perimeter of each case design remains constant, I would wind up having to invest in fewer Master Molds. All this really means is that it could delay the launch of the Genesis/Master System/32X Cart Cases if I were to make them the same outer dimensions as the original cases, because I would have to build up an extra 20K+ dollars for another mold.
2. The specialty case for the Sonic & Knuckles Lock-on cart + Genesis Game Genie will have to be a little thicker than the standard sega cases, so the Manual can fit safely inside, and the case can be closed without forcing it.
I should be able to use the aforementioned method of:
"5 Standard Sega-Style Modular Game Case Patterns + 1 Specialty Sega-Style S&K/GG Case Pattern" per Master Mold, so that's not an issue.
The only issue would be the non-standard case thickness.
It would be an increase of about 2 to 4 mm. It might stand out, but that's mostly just a cosmetic issue.
Similar increases in official packaging have been done before, like with Pokemon Stadium w/Transfer Pack (n64), so it's not unprecedented... but I digress. :P
Before I get to the point when I have to decide which path to take, (UGC Style or Original Style) for those Sega Cases, I'll put up a poll here, if the admins are okay with that. ;)
While I have some avid Sega Fans reading this tread, I'd like your opinions on the cases for the Back-Up Carts, Action Replays, ST Keys (and so on) for the Sega CD and Saturn.
I do plan on making a case that can accommodate them all, but was wondering if ya'll would prefer the height of the case to be the same as my Tall Sega CD Cases, or if it should be short like the UGCs or original Genesis cases.
The current plan is to make them the same height as my Tall Sega CD /Saturn Cases, so they would blend in better with the games for those two systems.
Cost isn't an issue, because they'd wind up costing the same, either way.
I could also make a poll about this later on, if need be, and if the admins approve.
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i'll definitely buy a bunch for nes, snes, n64, game boy, game boy color and some others as soon as they are available i'll get some. love the idea.
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Personally I'm looking most forward to the portable game cases. Seems like Nintendo's phasing out DS cases with GBA slots in them, so it'd be nice to have a solid alternative ready. Hell i'd be happy with just a UGC-style case with DS case dimensions just for portable games.
Plus modding those cases for GB carts is a huge pain in the ass.
What you're doing is very ambitious, but you seem to know what your doing and have a solid business plan. I support this endeavor.
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Personally I'm looking most forward to the portable game cases.
Samesies
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I'll be keeping track of this as well. I could easily see myself parting with my money for these,
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Sega CD has 2 sizes (tall ones and CD sized)
Saturn has 2 sizes (normal tall ones and bit larger VHS ones like Andretti racing)
At least for the US Saturn collection, all of the manuals are the same dimensions, just varying thickness based upon the number of pages (with Dragon Force and Romance of the Three Kingdoms IV: Wall of Fire being the thickest US manuals).
Concerning Sega CD, which I'm currently scanning in here (http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=6791.0), there are 6 different manual sizes. Of the 6, two sizes are nigh identical (the standard jewel case releases, with one variant only about 1/8" wider to accommodate larger manuals such as Eternal Champions). Here are samples of each of the 5 primary sizes. Also, to note, the "CD" sized manuals are not "CD" sized. They are actually about 1/4" taller and at least 1/2"-3/4" wider than a "CD" cased size Dreamcast manual. These are 300dpi scans, so you can pull the dimensions straight from the scans:
Original Pack In Release (http://www.mediafire.com/?sbrg0lio5jcnf)
Original Cardboard Release (http://www.mediafire.com/?nch9q3mcbecrn)
Jewel Case Release (http://www.mediafire.com/?c1o9ph3hsd7d4) (this is the "size" that has the minor width variant)
Digital Pictures Release (http://www.mediafire.com/?bbr9wkrr186ca)
Other Release (http://www.mediafire.com/?e31zm7nof3bk9) (this is the only manual of this "micro" size)
As mentioned, you can pull a ton of other examples (Saturn and Dreamcast included) from this thread, here (http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=6791.0).
From that list above, as it concerns height, Digital Pictures is the tallest, then Cardboard, then Jewel, then Pack In, then Other. As it concerns width, Pack In is the widest, then Digital Pictures, then Cardboard, then Jewel, then Other. If you were to turn a Pack In manual on its side (rotate 90 degrees), it's wider than all manuals other than the Digital Pictures release.
So, if you want to ensure that you build a Sega CD/Saturn case to fit all manuals, pick up a Sega CD Digital Pictures release (Corpse Killer, Kids on Site, Night Trap re-release, Slam City or Supreme Warrior), and design around that, and you'll have a case that fits all Sega CD/Saturn manual variants (though, as mentioned above, you'll need to rotate the Pack In manuals to fit or they'll be too wide).
As for Sega CD, as it concerns US releases, Eternal Champions is the thickest manual. Sega Saturn, as mentioned above, it's a tie, and Sega Dreamcast, Grandia II is by and far the thickest manual.
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When it comes to the Neo Geo cases, I have no idea what the demand is for those. Honestly when it comes to cartridge based systems I think the more popular systems like SMS, Genesis, 32X, NES, SNES, N64, & Atari would sell much better, especially Genesis and SNES as they seem to be the most popular systems to collect for, least from what I've seen.
The Sonic & Knuckles case is going to be a real nice addition, too bad it's the only cart like that and costs so much money just for one game.
I do agree with djshok, reproduction of the original Master System & Genesis cases would be a good idea and including 32x as the same size as well. But, whatever is easier since each mold as you said costs $20000.
The handhelds are gonna be interesting which I'm guessing is the popular ones Gameboy, GBC, GBA, Game Gear, Atari Lynx and the less popular Wonderswan , Neo Geo Pocket and Virtual Boy.
Lastly, I'm willing to bet these particular systems will be many years in the future since, well there's not too much interest in them, but it would be cool to have them in sturdy plastic cases next to the Atari games. I'm thinking the first video game system the Magnavox Odyssey, it's predecessor the Odyssey 2, and how about the Fairchild Channel F. Again these are way off in the future and would really need alot of interest to even consider them, but anything is better than cardboard so they could be possible.
Either way, you got my money for Atari, NES, SMS, Genesis, SNES, 32X, N64, GB, GBC, GBA, GG, Memory Cards, Game Genie, Super Gameboy, I mean the list goes on ;D
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What is the order you are going to be releasing these cases in? I'm very interested in the NES ones, so how far down the list are they?
Hopefully it's something like this....
SegaCD/Saturn
NES
Portable Games
Also are you going to produce the cases to support multiple systems like the UGCs do just without modifications being needed while still keeping the standard size? I mean if there was a UGC that also supported NES and manuals without modification that would be the ultimate and you would only need to do one mold instead of multiple ones for each system.
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Thanks for all of that info on manual sizes, TSOLfan.
I'm going to hunt down copies of those manuals asap, so I can make sure they'll all fit, nice and securely.
What is the order you are going to be releasing these cases in? I'm very interested in the NES ones, so how far down the list are they?
Hopefully it's something like this....
SegaCD/Saturn
NES
Portable Games
The list isn't set in stone, but NES and SegaCD/Saturn are currently the top two.
Also are you going to produce the cases to support multiple systems like the UGCs do just without modifications being needed while still keeping the standard size? I mean if there was a UGC that also supported NES and manuals without modification that would be the ultimate and you would only need to do one mold instead of multiple ones for each system.
That's a pretty close description of how I'm going about it, and one of the reasons why my release order isn't set in stone just yet.
A single Master Mold has room for multiple case patterns, and some modular options for the layout of the innards of the cases, like the placement of inner tabs and walls and clips.
As you suggest, being able to define a standardized pattern for the outside of each UGC Style case would indeed save tons of $ on molds, because then it's just a matter of adding or removing different extra pieces to the inside of each pattern.
I don't think I've mentioned it here yet, but the outer walls of my UGC-Style Cases will be of similar design as the stock cases for Genesis Games.
The added strength that design gives to each half, will protect the manual side from over-bending, as well as the cart side.
This way, the Carts won't pop out of their designated areas unexpectedly,
nor will the Tabs dig in to the manuals, each time you open the case.
I'm going to stick to standard UGC Outer Dimensions (Cover Insert Area) as much as possible.
I might have to increase the spine width on two of the cases by a few millimeters:
The Sonic & Knuckles case, and the Super Gameboy/NES case.
I'll need to do some testing with pre-production prototypes, to make sure.
Current designs for most of the cases will fully support several different cart and manual types.
You can read about them at my Website (http:// www.seymoronion.com).
I tried a whole bunch of different combinations of carts with each other, in order to try to reduce the number of variants I'll have to make, and the groups of cases at my website are what I've come up with so far.
If I forgo the Cart Retaining Clips, I could extend support for more cart types per box, but the carts would then have to press up against the manuals, and that wouldn't be good for the manuals or the artwork/labels on the carts, especially if you were to ship a Game+Manual in my cases, to someone.
Without my cart clips, it would be especially bad if the delivery guy thinks it's a PC Monitor, and throws it over a fence... [Link (http://youtu.be/PKUDTPbDhnA)] :-\
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I know it's far off, but a small suggestion for whenever you make N64 cases: could you include controller pak slots? Kinda like the memory card holders in ps2 and gamecube cases.
I know there aren't a ton of games that use the controller pak, but it seems like the ones that do take up such a crazy amount of space that you can't really put anything else on them anyway, it'd be nice to be able to store them with their corresponding game.
(Also a special case designed to hold both Hey You Pikachu and the VRU in the same case would be great too)
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I know it's far off, but a small suggestion for whenever you make N64 cases: could you include controller pak slots? Kinda like the memory card holders in ps2 and gamecube cases.
I know there aren't a ton of games that use the controller pak, but it seems like the ones that do take up such a crazy amount of space that you can't really put anything else on them anyway, it'd be nice to be able to store them with their corresponding game.
(Also a special case designed to hold both Hey You Pikachu and the VRU in the same case would be great too)
I think the memory card holder is not hard to implement as cases are just in design state.
Pikachu case would be nice but as there are just 2 games to use that, market that would be small.
I too would like the case though.
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I know it's far off, but a small suggestion for whenever you make N64 cases: could you include controller pak slots? Kinda like the memory card holders in ps2 and gamecube cases.
I know there aren't a ton of games that use the controller pak, but it seems like the ones that do take up such a crazy amount of space that you can't really put anything else on them anyway, it'd be nice to be able to store them with their corresponding game.
Cool idea!
I'm pretty sure I can fit a nice mount/clip/walled area, for the Nintendo 64 Controller Pak, in the [SNES] & [N64] & [SNES Game Genie] Game Case [OGC-SNES-N64].
I will have to double check my current design for that case, to make sure I can, before I can make any promises though.
Most of my plans/drawings for cases are at another location, but I should be able to check it out within a couple of days.
How many Controller Pak Slots would be good to have in each case? Only One? Two or more?
I think I can get up to Two to fit in each case, depending on the orientation of the Manual Clips.
Also a special case designed to hold both Hey You Pikachu and the VRU in the same case would be great. too.
I'll add that idea to The List, and pick up a copy of the Game, the Microphone adapter, and the Microphone.
Are there any variations of the Game Cartridge, VRU, or bundled Microphone, that I should keep an eye out for?
I might make a specialized (separate) case just for the VRU+Mic, so it will wind up maintaining the same Height and Depth (but maybe not width?) of the standard [OGC-SNES-N64] cases, so it will look better on your shelves.
I might have to do this, if I can't include Manual Support in an all-in-one design, or If I have to make one or more dimensions waaay too big.
I'll try out different designs/methods once I get a hold of the Game + VRU + Mic.
Speaking of n64 Pokemon Games, Pokemon Stadium comes with that huge Transfer Pak thing,
that lets you use your own pokemon from some of the early Pokemon Game Boy Games,
and play some of those Pokemon Game Boy games, through the n64.
(https://www.seymoronion.com/n64/Accessories/5a.jpg)
I haven't settled on a case design for the Transfer Paks just yet.
There were 2 Pokemon Stadium Games released for the n64, in the USA, and both support the Transfer Pak.
There is only one version of the Transfer Pak, right?
I mean, they didn't make any hardware revisions to it, did they?
Is it the same shape, in all regions?
One of my ideas is to make a case that can hold up to Four(?) Transfer Paks, but no n64 Carts or Manuals,
and try to at least maintain the same Height Dimension of the standard [OGC-SNES-N64] cases.
Is Four a good number? Should it just hold Two?
Does Pokemon Stadium 2 make the first game obsolete,
or does the first game have some features that the second game does not have?
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VRU and Transfer Paks were all same size around the world.
I'd like 4 Transfer Pak holder case.
Usually 1 Memory Pak slot is enough, but If more fit in there nicely put them there.
I have siblings that play and I frequently use back up saves on different cards, so we have multiple cards per game.
Does Pokemon Stadium 2 make the first game obsolete?
Not for collectors, for others yes. ;)
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I can definitely understand not wanting to go out of your way to make something like a VRU case.
Still, memory card holders would be nice and a lot more universal. :)
Oh I was also thinking the other day, I know this is probably a ridiculous idea, but what about cases for Consoles?
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The thickest snes manual I have is Sim City. I dont know how many pages it has but its huge.
however, Some times rpgs like Crono Trigger that have a lot of maps and posters need a lot of space.
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Some more unusual cartridges include Product Image Virtua Racing and Pete Sampras Tennis for Genesis and the Game Boy Camera, Wario Ware Twisted, Robopon, Pokemon Pinball and a E-Reader for Gameboy Systems. How about making cases with no cart holders in sizes to to accommodate some obscure things or wires or whatever. And how about cases for Controllers? You should probably focus on the most popular items first though. BTW the website stoneagegamer.com may be interested in your cases. They use UGS's for there everdrives and are unhappy with how they hold some carts. I suggest throwing a email over to them.
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Or a Mario Paint case that holds the mouse?
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It may be a bit large, but a case to hold the Nintendo Zapper.
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Thanks for all of the tips and suggestions!
I'm making note of all of them, and please keep em coming if ya'll think of anything else. 8)
Oh I was also thinking the other day, I know this is probably a ridiculous idea, but what about cases for Consoles?
Later on down the line, I was planning on making Cardboard Boxes with Styrofoam Inserts for all of the Classic Consoles.
They would really come in handy when you want to ship a System + Accessories + a few Games, and no longer own the OEM packaging.
I figured it would probably be a good idea to ship Replacement Console Shells in packaging like that,
so it could be dual-purpose,
as well as allow the option to buy/ship each separately.
Is that what you were thinking about, or were ya thinking about something more sturdy,
like a Travel Case made of Plastic and/or Metal, with soft foam inserts/cut-outs inside, and a Handle?
BTW the website stoneagegamer.com may be interested in your cases. They use UGS's for there everdrives and are unhappy with how they hold some carts. I suggest throwing a email over to them.
Thanks for the Linkage!
I took a look at the pictures they have for their EverDrives, and it appears that they are all (except for the Bare Circuit Board Versions)
inside Game Cases that look to be exactly the same dimensions as OEM Carts.
If that's the case, then my future cases will work great with them.
If I can also add a place to store SD Cards within the Cases,
and/or make sure nothing obstructs the areas where the SD Card Inserts into the Carts,
ya'll won't have to remove the SD Card from the Cart when ya put it in the case.
I'll shoot them an e-mail when I'm about to start making cases that should work with their EverDrives,
and ask if they have any feature requests / suggestions. ;)
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Your handheld cases are going to be the same height as DS cases, Right? You should make a case the size of a Gamegear Box or whatever is large enough to hold a manual but the same dimensions of the art. Of a DS case that holds the Guitar Hero hand thing and the game and the adapter for the new or old DS models, which is the size of a GBA game. You should also make a case for Rockband, the Drum set, 2 Guitars and 3 Microphones. (Ths first was a joke but a travel case for all the stuff would be useful.) and System travel cases can be useful too. I bring my retro systems around a lot to friend's homes because most of my friends do not own retro systems.
Also I'm good at art and could probably make a logo for you to make your site look a bit less shady. I am also working on one for TCP. I really should finish that one, its been almost done for months.
(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp280/larryinc64/The%20Cover%20Project/Logosample-1.png?t=1301190843)
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Your handheld cases are going to be the same height as DS cases, Right?
Yup!
I'm sticking to the DS Case external dimensions, whenever possible, for handheld games.
You should make a case the size of a Gamegear Box or whatever is large enough to hold a manual but the same dimensions of the art. Of a DS case that holds the Guitar Hero hand thing and the game and the adapter for the new or old DS models, which is the size of a GBA game.
I'm not familiar with any of the Guitar Hero Games, but will look into them, if ya can be a bit more specific. ;)
You should also make a case for Rockband, the Drum Set, 2 Guitars and 3 Microphones.
I'm surprised no one has made a travel case for those instruments. O_o
I'll add it to the list.
Also I'm good at art and could probably make a logo for you to make your site look a bit less shady.
I am also working on one for TCP. I really should finish that one, its been almost done for months.
Your interim TCP logo looks pretty sweet!
If you could make me a new logo, once you are done with the TCP Logo, to replace the Title Frame Text, that'd be cool.
The area you have to work with is [800 Pixels Wide] by [90 Pixels Tall], but I can re-size it if necessary.
If you can somehow incorporate, or leave a space for, the "View Cart" button, I'd appreciate it.
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Paypal_Stuff/view_cart.gif)
I'm not quite sure what you have in mind, but if you could also include Miku somehow,
or at least a Leek/Spring Onion or something, it would fit with the theme rather well.
Miku Mario? (http://youtu.be/xnEBff52RgQ)
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Avatars/Miku_Luigi.gif)
Including Miku is only a suggestion; she isn't mandatory or anything. :P
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Wow, how did I miss this tread!? :o
This is fantastic! There's a ton of potential here, and after the recent UGC drought and undoubtedly more to come, this very well could be the better choice in the future.
Here's a couple more ideas, take them as you will. All the Nintendo handheld systems themselves fit in UGCs except the original Game Boy and original Nintendo DS (there are even covers for GBPocket and DSLite), and even then the Game Boy Color and Game Boy Advance are so snug that they press the buttons in potentially damaging them, and there's little room for any kind of booklets for the system. It'd be great if you could develop a slightly thicker UGC option for those systems, which could also be used to hold certain thicker controllers, and even thicker games like the Super Game Boy, or games that have very thick manuals.
A case for the original Game Boy might have to be a unique case (maybe could be the same as a power brick case?), but the rest could fit just fine if it were essentially a slightly thicker UGC. Game Gear and other larger handhelds (Sega Nomad and Supaboy/other portable clones) would definitely require a special box, but many accessories and controllers could be made to work in thicker UGC variations. For example the SNES mouse or a Wii Remote could fit in the same width box as the Game Boy. I think a lot of cool possibilities open up simply with thicker versions of what we have been using.
Game Boy game cases and special ones to accommodate games like Pokemon Pinball sound great, and I'll just throw out there that it would be really cool if you eventually made cases for Virtual Boy games. I wonder if they are thin enough that the cartridge and manual could fit in a 3DS-sized case? Obviously it's kind of a niche and not any kind of priority, but it would be nice to have them stored in special cases one day.
Maybe I missed this information earlier too, but would these cases be clear plastic like UGCs, or opaque (black or colored)?
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I have a combo case design on paper [OGC-VB-NGCP] that will support:
Virtual Boy, and NeoGeo Pocket, and NeoGeo Color (handheld) games & Manuals. ;)
I think I'm going to have to go with colored (most likely Black) so the plastic itself will have the proper balance of
Rigidity, Flexibility, and Longevity, because the dyes themselves can alter certain plastics' properties.
I'm still looking in to this.
Once I am able to get it sorted out, I'll put up another thread and ask about color options.
To keep costs down, the first run of each case design (50k or 100k or more) will be either Black or Clear (again, most likely Black).
If possible, I would like to offer a variety of case colors, especially for the Zelda Games.
It would be Very Cool to have Gold Editions of cases for them. 8)
EDITED TO ADD:
I've been looking in to making larger "Blank" cases, and Foam Cutouts.
I think this would be a better route to take for System Cases & Musical Instrument-Type Gaming Accessories.
If you accidentally drop a case with those items in it, the foam should protect em from damage.
This is especially important if you went through the trouble of having a GBA System modded with that Afterburner Light Kit. From what I can see, he no longer sells it. >_<
Speaking of Handhelds...
If any of you all have handhelds with broken or dead screens, please don't throw them away.
The costs associated in fabricating OLED Screens should become affordable in another 5 to 10 years. ;)
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Since we're all throwing ideas around here, how about something to accommodate some Dreamcast VMUs? I know there are already some cases out there made by Performance (or Pelican, maybe). I have one actually:
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/d971e62d72eb16627df91e1bd0bf3526804f5c2b5590fa1720873ac36fe8af7c3g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?thumb=3&quickkey=p6hr8ea5hcpa6yb)
But these are tricky to find in good shape, and I don't particularly want to have to buy another 3rd party memory card just so I can put my VMUs in proper storage. On a side note, I can remember being at a Walmart once and they were having a closeout on these style memory cards and cases. They had one of their huge containers full of these things and I remember digging through, moving boxes by the handful trying to find an 800 block memory card, completely ignoring the piles of standard 200 block cards and cases. I only ended up buying one 800 block card and kick myself every time I think about it for not stocking up these cases for like $5 a pop. This experience has furthered my desire for an appropriate VMU storage solution.
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Foam inserts are a great idea, especially since those handhelds, controllers and accessories are all the same size for everyone (unless you get into off-brand controllers, but personally I have no desire to case the 2 that I have).
If you do go that route, you might leave a spot on the GBA SP - 3DS for the charger.
And careful with the colors option....you might be opening Pandora's Box... :P
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How many VMUs can you put in a UGC, that has had all of it's tabs removed?
I'd check for myself, but I sold all of my VMUs last year.
I will pick some more up when it comes time to make cases for the VMUs. ;)
I'll also make some cases for the Dreamcast Jump Pack Rumble Thing.
Speaking of VMUs, did you know that USA Citizens can buy Energizer Brand CR 2032 Batteries,
Online, In Bulk, For Cheap, at Digi-Key?
There's some other places that do that too, but I can't recall their names...
Yeah, I'm going to keep the Colors Options rather limited, at least until after I can build a 2 or 3 story warehouse... :-\
I may have to have the Master Molds, of all of my Game Case Designs, up and running, before I can offer any color options.
I will look in to doing limited runs, every so often, for certain Colored Cases though.
If I set up a pre-order system, it could work out in the short-term.
I might be able to still qualify for the lower pricing of a large run, for a short run of colored cases,
if I ask them to make X number of colored cases at the end of a main run of 100K+ cases.
I'll have to ask about that, once I pick an Injection Molding company.
Since they'll already have the huge, heavy mold in place in the machine, at the end of the standard run,
it should be fast and easy to switch from one color to another.
Lemme put it this way...
I've been on some tours of Injection Molding companies, and some of them volunteered the option to switch to other colors on the fly,
for no additional fee. 8)
However, Storage Space and Demand may present an issue (in the short-term).
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I realy think you should release the NES cases first sence there is the largest market for them, maybe normal handheld cases. And from there release standerd cases for most of the systems before the specal cases come in.
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I really think you should release the NES cases first, since there is the largest market for them, and maybe normal handheld cases. And from there, release standard cases for most of the systems before the special cases come in.
The NES Cases moved to the Second Spot on my List the other day.
It might move back up to # 1 status soon.
It all depends on the responses I get from some Thermoforming Plastic Manufacturers.
I should start getting responses sometime this week.
I'd like to know if my HuCard CD-Jewel Case Tray Design can be made with the Thermoforming Process, or if they have to be made with Injection Molding.
If they can make em through Thermoforming, and the cost is as low as I estimate it will be, then I just need to sell about 9k more HuCard Sleeves before I can start making the Trays.
The Startup Costs for Thermoforming Plastics is roughly 80% less than Injection Molding, if wikipedia is to be believed, but it has limits on what it can accomplish.
Even if they say Yes, I have to test some Thermoformed Plastic samples, to make sure the end product wouldn't turn out to be flimsy or otherwise weird.
That'll take a month to determine, at least, if I can only work with an out-of state TPM.
Either way, I need to sell about 115K more HuCard Sleeves before I can do any Injection Molding.
AFAIK, the UGC-Style, DS Style, and DVD Style Cases have to use the Injection Molding Process.
I bet that most of you guys are probably going to hold out until I make the DVD Style Cases for SegaCard Games, as it will also be compatible with HuCards, because you all already have a bunch of covers for that style of case. (Example (http://www.thecoverproject.net/view.php?cover_id=11167))
However, diversification is a good thing; it'll pull in money faster...
I have had a large number of inquiries from the PCE Crowd, about the availability of the HuCard Trays, since I started to sell the HuCard Sleeves. 8)
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If you could make these:
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=10230.msg69240;topicseen#new
So the poor SNES games would not get skinned and innards left discarded.
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Good News!
Replacement Shells for Cartridge-Based Games are already on my To Do List:
NES, SNES, n64, Master System, Genesis & 32X.
The Bad News is that they are low-priority items, so it's gonna be a while.
Say, has anyone made, or is selling, a Famicom-to-NES Adapter,
and include an empty NES Cart Shell with it, that has the proper screw hole alignment?
If no one else is doing that, when I start making the NES Shells, then I will do that as well. ;)
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Good News!
Replacement Shells for Cartridge-Based Games are already on my To Do List:
NES, SNES, n64, Master System, Genesis & 32X.
The Bad News is that they are low-priority items, so it's gonna be a while.
Good to hear.
Say, has anyone made, or is selling, a Famicom-to-NES Adapter,
and include an empty NES Cart Shell with it, that has the proper screw hole alignment?
If no one else is doing that, when I start making the NES Shells, then I will do that as well. ;)
Nobody makes those to my knowledge.
The adapter part is the hard part with all the fine metal parts.
Buit I'd love to have those, if the price is reasonable.
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I just recieved (while typing this message) 2 Famicom games in interesting plastic cases.
I'll take pictures and post them here in few minutes.
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(http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6561/withgamesmall.jpg)
(http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7206/withoutgamesmall.jpg)
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/6447/comparison2small.jpg)
This RAR file contains these and few more images in larger: http://www.mediafire.com/?1k9w1spbni1qd0z
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(http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/Famicom_Case_Standoffs.gif)
You know, I don't know very much about Famicom Game Carts, other than that they come in a variety of sizes and shapes.
The tab placement in that case is interesting... Especially the two tabs circled in Red. They appear to have some Teeth on them.
Are all Famicom Games designed to interact with those toothy tabs?
It would be nice if they all do, because then I can add Famicom Game Support to a Game Case.
I'd put some hold In clips in between the Right and Left tabs...
I still need to research Japanese Famicom Manual sizes though, because I'd prefer to use DVD-Case-Style-Tabs to hold in the manual, if possible. :P
Thanks for the pictures!
You've given me a lot to think about, and set me on a path that will see cases for Famicom Games get made.
Before I saw these pics, I was about to give up on them, or put them on a back burner.
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Those tabs don't touch the regular Famicom carts
Just a sec I'll upload comparision shots.
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(http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4948/img0834v.jpg)
(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/4074/img0835ct.jpg)
And here are the manuals, one in the middle is normal US/Euro one.
(http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/5237/img0836p.jpg)
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Thanks for the additional pics.
Hmm.. Well, there goes that idea!
Well, just how many different sizes of Famicom carts are out there?
I think I can give about 1/8 of an inch (about 3 mm) of extra height to the well, per group, to try and keep the variations low, and the wiggle room down.
If there are just two primary heights, that'd work out pretty well, because I can have the smallest vertical, then the tallest horizontal.
Any that fall in the middle could fit in the Tall Orientation, and I'd just have to pack in some foam or snap-in spacers, with each case, for a fraction of a cent per case.
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I know 3 sizes of which 2 are virtually identical.
Third being official version of the blue pirate cart.
1mm taller and thicker, 2 wider. Maybe even less difference.
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I know 3 sizes of which 2 are virtually identical.
Third being official version of the blue pirate cart.
1mm taller and thicker, 2 wider. Maybe even less difference.
Sweet! That's right in line with what I was hoping for!
I think I have the manual holder tabs nailed.
Hopefully, these are the only 2 sizes I need to worry about.
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/Famicom_Manual_Tabs.jpg)
I could lower the Center Tab, so yall could put the CrisisForce size manuals horizontal, if need be, and if it isn't too long.
It's hard to tell from the pic where the CrisisForce Manual's spine is. I think i see a staple at the top.
I'd rather grip the spine, than the side.
It's kinder to manuals when you clip the Spine. ;)
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Yep the stable is at top.
One single stable. :-\
Here is comprarison sot with N64 manual, with spine on spine action. ;)
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8670/manuals.jpg)
As you can see the width is near identical, less than 2 mm difference.
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Yep the stable is at top.
One single stable. :-\
Here is comprarison sot with N64 manual, with spine on spine action. ;)
(http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/8670/manuals.jpg)
As you can see the width is near identical, less than 2 mm difference.
Sweet!
I'll go with that positioning (normal horizontal w/spine facing left).
I know it can fit that way, because a SNES Manual is not too wide to fit, in that orientation, in my upcoming cases. ;)
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When you get these going I and a few others will certainly be ordering from Australia, am I right in thinking your SNES cases will support PAL SNES games as well?
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When you get these going I and a few others will certainly be ordering from Australia, am I right in thinking your SNES cases will support PAL SNES games as well?
Are PAL SNES Game Carts the same dimensions as USA Carts, or Japanese Carts, or are they different?
How about the Manual Sizes for your SNES Games? Are they comparable to other regions?
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Our carts are identical to Super Famicom carts, manuals are the same as the NTSC ones.
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Then, yes, my SNES Cases will support USA, Japanese and PAL Australian Games.
I'm going to update my website to reflect that, in a day or two. ;)
Also, I'm removing SNES Support from the n64 cases, to make room in the n64 Cases
for a place to stow the n64 Controller Pak (Memory Card).
I'm still looking into n64 GameShark support.
It'll probably be as simple as making the case a bit thicker under the Cart,
and having an impression/dip to accommodate that bit on the back that sticks out,
and leaving part of the top cart wall off, so the female cart slot won't hit it.
It should be doable, but I need to do some testing first, to make sure.
At the very least, I'll make sure nothing obstructs the female cart slot.
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The new SNES Cases will support all 3 aforementioned SNES Game Types, and the American Game Genie.
I might be able to get a Japanese or Australian SNES Game Genie/Action Replay (or whatever it's called) to fit as well,
if you all ever got such a device, and if I can get my hands on one before I make my final revisions to the design.
I won't need it for a while, and I'll be sure to ask to borrow, or buy, one, if I can't get it through normal means.
In order to support those strangely small Japanese SNES Manuals, I'm going to offer some inserts,
about the size of an American SNES Manual, that will have a resealable pouch in the center.
I think I'm going to wind up taking a similar approach to the NES Case's manual support.
If I do, the inserts/pouches for the standard small manuals will be included with every USA NES Game Case,
since the vast majority of American games come with that small manual.
IIRC, less than 20 NES games have the similiar-to-USA-SNES-size Large Manual.
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I have Action Replay mark 2.
It's same size as normal PAl cart except it has cart slot at top and back so it needs extra space. Oh and a switch on one side.
Those sticks out about 5mm.
And nope, there aren't many big manual NES games.
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To my understand all cases will have the card holder.
And if it really bugs you, you can always cut it away... ::)
And it looks better IMHO with the card holder. :D
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The controller paks don't have a lot of space, most of the time you can only hold 1 game on them. I'd prefer to have the controller pak slots in each case, that way I can say, keep my controller pak with Mario Kart 64 ghost files with my copy of Mario Kart 64, my pak with Snowboard Kids on it in my Snowboard Kids case, etc.
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The controller paks don't have a lot of space, most of the time you can only hold 1 game on them. I'd prefer to have the controller pak slots in each case, that way I can say, keep my controller pak with Mario Kart 64 ghost files with my copy of Mario Kart 64, my pak with Snowboard Kids on it in my Snowboard Kids case, etc.
Ditto.
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Seymor, just wondering which case you decided on being the next one to be put into prouction and when it might be available. Just asking as i'm currently deciding between starting a Saturn or a NES collection.
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Please say the Saturn cases are next ;)
Altough NES or SNES or N64 ones would sell better.
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I haven't decided just yet.
If you go for the Saturn collection first, they should at least all come with cases you can use temporarily.
Most used NES Games are sold without the cardboard box.
By the way, that reminds me...
My Cases will not support these Dust Sleeves:
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/NES_Dust_Jacket.jpg)
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/SNES_Dust_Jacket.jpg)
So, ya'll don't have to worry about getting them. ;)
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Good to know, i'll hold on for awhile before buying cases. I was looking at these : http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=9751.0 but somehow I think i'll be more satisfied with yours from the sound of it.
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:'( :'( :'( :'(
Thats sad because about 99% of my nes collection has the black plastic sleeves
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:'( :'( :'( :'(
Thats sad because about 99% of my nes collection has the black plastic sleeves
I'll survive even tough I'd say the percentage on my NES collection is about 140-150 ;)
I too would prefer that the cases would accomodate the sleeves, butit's not end of the world as the cases are dust proof.
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:'( :'( :'( :'(
Thats sad because about 99% of my nes collection has the black plastic sleeves
I'll survive even tough I'd say the percentage on my NES collection is about 140-150 ;)
I too would prefer that the cases would accomodate the sleeves, butit's not end of the world as the cases are dust proof.
...140-150 percent? You have wayyyyyyyy more dust sleeves than you do cartridges?
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Yep. I emptied local actique book store, plus I sell my games dust coverless unless buyer really wants them.
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I was actually kinda hoping they would support the nes sleeve, I just bought a ton of them :(. I think they are a fun little thing to go along with the cart and they remind me of the good ol' days. will the cases be COMPLETELY unable to hold them?
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Do UGCs hold the black sleeves comfortably? Anyone I've ever tried bulges. Then again I only want black sleeves for games that don't have covers, otherwise I'm uninterested in them.
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Do UGCs hold the black sleeves comfortably? Anyone I've ever tried bulges. Then again I only want black sleeves for games that don't have covers, otherwise I'm uninterested in them.
yes they fit fine. I have all my games in UGCs with sleeves and manuals
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I fail to see how the black sleeves would get in the way, really. The SNES clear sleeves I understand, as they're bulky, but the black sleeves are very thin. Unless the carts are snapping into place, there shouldn't be an issue.
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Unless the carts are snapping into place, there shouldn't be an issue.
I believe this is exactly the case.
The cases will be custom made to hold the cart tightly in place.
I think the main issue is that the cart's lower edge is way narrower than the rest of the cart, and that narrow part is one of the things holding the cart in place.
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bummer, oh well
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I'm talking with him right now about adding provisions to the N64 cases for memory cards. I would love to see these things come to fruition considering some of the issues getting the UGC lately.
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I'm talking with him right now about adding provisions to the N64 cases for memory cards. I would love to see these things come to fruition considering some of the issues getting the UGC lately.
If you read thru this topic, you would see that he is already adding slots for memory card or two per N64 case. ;)
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If you read thru this topic, you would see that he is already adding slots for memory card or two per N64 case. ;)
Yep, I saw that.
When I started talking to him he didn't seem to have that in mind even though he had thought about it previously. He told me he wasn't sure how he would do it since he planned to share the SNES and N64 cases. I have some cases that were sold when the N64 was out that have a spot for a memory card. I sent him some pictures and he likes them. I'm going to be sending him a case to help him out.
Just hoping these actually become a reality. I know I will buy quite a few for multiple systems.
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The carts are going to be held in place with some soft tabs, so they won't fall out when you open the case, or wiggle around and scuff your manuals. 8)
Another advantage to doing it this way, is that you all *won't have to spend any additional money on Dust Sleeves.
This will save money in the long term, and take away the hassle of trying to find a source for them, or hunt down a game that includes them.
*The only exception to this is will be the CD-Style Trays for TG16/PCE Hucard Games I'm going to make.
Without a sleeve, they will rattle around.
They will also be compatible the OEM Sleeves, so you don't have to purchase mine, if you already have sleeves for them.
The DVD-Style HuCard & Sega Card cases will work just fine, with or without the Sleeves.
On the days that I hit each $ Goal, to begin production on each case type, I'll announce it here.
This should give ya'll at least a good month or two to sell any extra SNES or NES Dust Sleeves that you have.
If you still have the Original Game Packaging (cardboard boxes) for any of your games, it would probably be a good idea to keep the OEM Dust Sleeves in those boxes.
That way, if you need, or want, to sell your games in the future, you can do so as "Complete in Box", thus raising the value.
The n64 Cases will have full support for Official Nintendo-Branded Memory Paks. ;)
Also, the DVD-Style PlayStation 1 & 2 Game Cases will fully support both PS1 and PS2 Memory Cards that are the same dimensions as official Sony-Branded ones.
There will also be multi-disk variants of the PS1/PS2 DVD-Style cases.
After I post this, I'm going to add a placeholder page, for the Sony Game Cases, on my website.
These cases are currently low priority, mostly because I haven't done any research on the availability of these cases from other parties, just yet. huge :o) Game Cases.
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I just finished reading about the whole GamesCaseWorld fiasco.
As many of you already know, I'm also selling some used games on my website, and I include a UGC with them, along with pre-printed artwork for the UGC's Sleeve.
This is a one-time thing.
The games are all from my own personal collection, and I'm only selling them to help raise money to make the Onion Game Cases.
Once all of the Games in my personal collection are sold, I won't be selling games any more.
In fact, in a couple of years, I'm going to start rebuilding my Game Collection (for personal use).
I included the UGCs with the games, for several reasons:
1. I had already printed the covers for them, for personal use.
2. As a courtesy to buyers of the games.
3. To help promote TCP, and to advertise the coolness that is Vintage Games in Hard Plastic Cases w/Artwork.
If any of you have a problem with me including your artwork in a UGC, with a Game Sale, or would like me to add your name/give credits, please let me know.
I'll either remove the Cover from the UGC, or add your name to the listing (it's your choice). ;)
I will never sell an empty case with any of your artwork.
On every listing, of every Onion Game Case Design, that supports Artwork, on my website, there is a note about TCP, and a link to it.
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This is a one-time thing.
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I will never sell an empty case with any of your artwork.
Lies! We'll have none of your treachery around here! Men, bring the gallows!! ;D
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I think we can forgive him this one single time if he makes the cases.
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Hey does make a very good case... *rimshot* ::)
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Hey does make a very good case... *rimshot* ::)
:D
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Hey does make a very good case... *rimshot* ::)
haha mr. punslinger over here
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Can't the tabs that lock the nes game down be cut off to make it accommodate the black cases. After all we already have to do a lot of cutting on the UGC covers.
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Suggestion:
How about using Kickstarter as a way to get cases going?
You could list several different styles of case, each under it's own project. Users could donate towards whichever case they want, basically "pre-ordering" the styles they want. Once you reach your goal, you collect the money and place the order for the cases.
This would allow you to potentially make multiple styles of cases at once without worry of not selling enough to cover your costs.
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Suggestion:
How about using Kickstarter as a way to get cases going?
You could list several different styles of case, each under it's own project. Users could donate towards whichever case they want, basically "pre-ordering" the styles they want. Once you reach your goal, you collect the money and place the order for the cases.
This would allow you to potentially make multiple styles of cases at once without worry of not selling enough to cover your costs.
I'd support this.
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I agree with UncleBob and Arseen Would totally support that
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I was thinking this too. As I'm currently looking for a way to case my snes and master system games without importing ugc's. I would be looking for an initial batch of around 300.
If these cases are going to be another year off, then I'll have to look for another solution. :'(
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That's a great idea and I would support it as well.
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I'm definitely comfortable with a pre order scenario. Need onion game cases!
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I have a question,
Could you make cases like the 12 Disc Poly cases, the same dimensions and all that, but have cartridge holders in lieu of the CD holders?
http://www.burnsmart.com/Twelve-Disc-Black-Poly-Case-p/68.htm
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Can't the tabs that lock the nes game down be cut off to make it accommodate the black cases? After all, we already have to do a lot of cutting on the UGC covers.
You guys can modify my cases however you like, but doing so will void the warranty. :P
Suggestion:
How about using Kickstarter as a way to get cases going?
You could list several different styles of case, each under it's own project. Users could donate towards whichever case they want, basically "pre-ordering" the styles they want. Once you reach your goal, you collect the money and place the order for the cases.
This would allow you to potentially make multiple styles of cases at once without worry of not selling enough to cover your costs.
I'll look onto this! 8)
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I have a question,
Could you make cases like the 12 Disc Poly cases, the same dimensions and all that, but have cartridge holders in lieu of the CD holders?
http://www.burnsmart.com/Twelve-Disc-Black-Poly-Case-p/68.htm
That would certainly be possible, but they are too small for a majority of the console-based games' manuals.
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Hey, guys.
I've been doing some reading on the Kickstarter website, learning how to set up a project.
I've hit a bit of a snag with shipping costs, and need your help.
I need the weight and measurements of a box of 100 empty, unmodified UGCs.
The measurements of the outside of the box should be in inches.
(any measurement that is not equal to an exact number of inches (like 4 & 1/32 in) should be rounded up to the next inch (for example, 4 & 1/32 in would become 5 inches).
The weight should be on the Shipping Label.
If it's not there, you can take it down to a US Post Office, and use the scale at one of their kiosks. 8)
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when i was asking over at shopper inc to look at shipping some - they said the dimensions/weight of 1 box of 100 is:
20 lbs
26” x 16” x 12”
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I have a question,
Could you make cases like the 12 Disc Poly cases, the same dimensions and all that, but have cartridge holders in lieu of the CD holders?
http://www.burnsmart.com/Twelve-Disc-Black-Poly-Case-p/68.htm
That would certainly be possible, but they are too small for a majority of the console-based games' manuals.
I know, I use them because I don't have manuals.
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Pretty sure a couple shops near me have the 12 disk poly cases with no disc moulding. Just use those? Great fit for NES carts.
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I hate to say it, guys, but Kickstarter won't work...
Apparently, that site is designed to give donators "Rewards" that are far below the actual dollar value a person donates. >:(
I've been crunching the numbers for nearly 12 hours now, and have been unable to find a way to use that site,
without having to charge everyone at least TWO TIMES what you'd normally pay, if you just bought them through the website. :(
I did learn a few things about shipping to certain countries.
Due to USPS Size Restrictions, I can only put up 68 Onion Game Cases Per Box,
and it would cost roughly $107 to ship that box.
This only applies to:
Australia, Brazil, British Virgin Islands, Greenland, Iceland, Mexico,
the Antilles part of the Netherlands (this does not apply to the other parts of the Netherlands)
Philippines, and South Korea.
So, people in those countries would wind up paying about $2.08 USD per Game Case.
IMHO, that's too much to pay for shipping.
I know I can get a better deal, by getting an International Shipping Contract with a different company.
I plan to do some shopping around, for a better international rate, before I start selling the Game Cases. ;)
I have to wait until the Prototyping Stage is finished before I do this, as they are going to need the actual dimensions of the product, in order to give me custom rate tables to use with my Shopping Cart software. They'll also need that info, so we can work together to determine the appropriate custom shipping box size ranges.
One of the cool things about having a shipping contract, is that they charge by the overall volume and weight of all boxes per order, instead of for each individual box.
If you've ever received multiple packages for a single order that say "1 of #" on the shipping label, you've seen an example of this already. ;)
By the way, information on the Kickstarter website looks to be written by a PR Guy, and is lacking many details, such as how they handle Shipping and Handling.
From what I've gathered by Googling, it's up to me to pad my Goal Amount, to cover S&H for "Rewards" to Donators. Since I gathered that info from sources outside of their website, I can't trust the truthfulness of it.
For the record, I plan to ship to 27 Countries outside of America.
If Shipping and Handling could be Separate from the $ Goal, and set up to be mandatory, AND depend on where the donator lives, then I could use their website after all, without the need to double the prices to you all, in order to be able to cover the shipping, if I get thousands of donators from the most expensive countries to ship to.
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Could you set rewards like:
$X - 50 NES Cases Shipped Anywhere in the US.
$2x - 50 NES Cases Shipped Overseas to an approved country.
Additionally, my suggestion for Kickstarter was to get the initial order placed.
Basically, set your goal amount towards whatever it is you need to make to place the order without a loss on your end... so if you have to order 100 cases at fifty cents each and you plan to sell them for a dollar each, then you can set your goal at $50 and have the "rewards" be the 50 cases. Once you've raised enough to cover your costs, you'd place the order - ship out the "rewards" - then have the rest of the batch to sell.
If you limited the initial rewards to US customers only, overseas customers could still get in - after the product was available to the mass market.
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And for the record, $2 USD isn't bad at all really. Those damn 12 disc poly cases cost that much here, that said I'm all for cheaper shipping!
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Hmm...
So you guys wouldn't mind the temporarily higher pricing, if I went the kickstarter route, to get the project started faster?
And for the record, $2 USD isn't bad at all really. Those damn 12 disc poly cases cost that much here, that said I'm all for cheaper shipping!
Assuming that you have all 759 NES Games (this is an estimate; I can't find a hard number for this), and use one extra case for a Super GameBoy,
that's 760 cases x $2 = $1520 USD.
Now, that's a number that I would love to cut in half (if at all possible). ;D
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The price is something you would cut once you have made a substantial profit. However, keep in mind that kickstarter was a suggestion. If you don't feel it's right for you, then you don't have to go that route. You could just set up a preorder page on your website, and use the money from the preorder to get production started, then when the rest of the money comes in, pay off whatever you need to.
Most people wouldn't buy 759 cases to start with anyway. They start small, see how it works out, then order more, depending on finances and other factors. Over time, sure, it will be appear expensive, but this isn't exactly the cheapest hobby to begin with. And seeing as how I've seen people try and sell individual UGCs for $3.50 a pop (plus tax and shipping) in the past, $2 isn't all that shocking.
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The price is something you would cut once you have made a substantial profit. However, keep in mind that kickstarter was a suggestion. If you don't feel it's right for you, then you don't have to go that route. You could just set up a preorder page on your website, and use the money from the preorder to get production started, then when the rest of the money comes in, pay off whatever you need to.
Most people wouldn't buy 759 cases to start with anyway. They start small, see how it works out, then order more, depending on finances and other factors. Over time, sure, it will be appear expensive, but this isn't exactly the cheapest hobby to begin with. And seeing as how I've seen people try and sell individual UGCs for $3.50 a pop (plus tax and shipping) in the past, $2 isn't all that shocking.
Exactly! I love the idea of your cases man but i'm not gunna order nearly 10000 of them in one go haha. Definitely just be ordering 100 here, a 100 there as I need them.
And yeah, if the kickstarter thing is too complicated just do a simple pre-order thing on your website and use that to get production rolling. Definitely keen to see this start happening this year.
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I found a math error! It was a genuine face-palm moment. It might even leave a scar... :o
Kickstarter will work @ $2.00 per case, shipping included, for USA customers, by way of a 50-pack for $100.
I'm now going to try to get that down to $100 for a 100 pack.
Tomorrow I'm going to have 2 friends, and 3 family members, check my math.
I know, i need a vacation; but now is a bad time... :P
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Well, considering that the UGC is about $1 each, I wouldn't mind paying an extra $1 for cases that I don't have to modify. If you managed to get them down to the same price that would be awesome.
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The NES cases can't come soon enough! Any idea on a time frame? ;D
Of course, then I'll have the dilemma of whether to switch out my existing cases with Onions or not. Knowing how OCD I can be with regards to my collection, I probably will. I could almost convince myself to stick with modifying UGCs if it weren't for the fact that if I were to approach a complete NES set I would still have about another 500 cases to modify. :o
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I managed to get the USA Price down to $1.55 per Case. This Includes Shipping.
Once I got that sorted, I was able to adjust all of the international prices, to accommodate their Shipping Costs.
Here's a list of the countries I'll be able to offer "Rewards" of 100-Packs of NES/SGB Cases to:
Group 1: United States
Group 2: Belgium, Finland, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Netherlands (Not Antilles), Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Vatican City.
Group 3: Canada
Group 4: France
Group 5: Germany
Group 6: Japan
Group 7: New Zealand
Group 8: Poland
Group 9: United Kingdom & Northern Ireland
All left-over Cases will be available for purchase on my website, (after I ship out the Rewards to the donators) to all of the countries above.
Once they're available on my website, I'll also open up shipping to include:
Australia, Brazil, British Virgin Islands, Greenland, Iceland, Mexico,
the Antilles part of the Netherlands,
Philippines, and South Korea.
If I'm unable to get a Shipping Contract by that time, I'll also offer a 68-Pack and a 136-Pack,
so you guys (who live in the countries in the Blue Paragraph) can get the best bang for your buck. ;)
As to the timeframe, it's going to take 1 month (give or take a week) to set up the Listing on KickStarter, and let it run it's course.
Then I may have to wait a week or 2 for Amazon Marketplace to release the funds (assuming I hit the goal).
Once I have the funds, it will take anywhere from one month, to 6 months, to get the cases made.
So, it will be between 2 to 7 months before the cases are available. ;)
I'll update the timeline as the information becomes available.
I am going to try to get the Injection Molders to split up the order into two shipments; so I can fulfill the Rewards ASAP,
and so my house won't bust at the seams when I try putting 100,000 cases into it. @_@
They'll all fit; but I'll have to visit my folks @ bedtime, so I'll have a place to sleep, for the first couple of days,
if I can only get all 100,000 cases in a single shipment. ;D
EDIT: It will be it will be between 2 to 7 months before the cases are available On My Website, and Begin Shipping to You Guys.[/b]
The listing on Kickstarter may take up to a week to set up, because I have to sign up for an Amazon Marketplace Account and verify my identity.
I'll post here once it's up and running.
Once it starts, I have 30 Days to hit the $ goal.
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I'm curious - which type(s) of cases are you going to put up first?
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2-7 months isn't bad at all! :D
So when you mention your 'target', is that a target dollar figure for a certain type of case? Since the NES seems to be at or near the top of the list, how many preorders would you need before you'd hit your goal and be able to start producing? If these things are UGC quality you can put me down for 300 cases (though at $1.55/case it'd definitely have to wait until next month as I'm WAY over budget on my game spending this month, heh).
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2-7 months isn't bad at all! :D
So when you mention your 'target', is that a target dollar figure for a certain type of case? Since the NES seems to be at or near the top of the list, how many preorders would you need before you'd hit your goal and be able to start producing? If these things are UGC quality you can put me down for 300 cases (though at $1.55/case it'd definitely have to wait until next month as I'm WAY over budget on my game spending this month, heh).
Yeah, I need to hit 100,000 dollars.
Up to 10 K of that is going to be eaten up by Kickstarter and Amazon. -_-
It will take 645 100-packs to reach that goal, or about 64,500 Cases.
Should I wait until March 1'st to start the Kickstarter thing, so you all have plenty of lead time?
Once It gets posted, it only stays up for 30 days.
I'm curious - which type(s) of cases are you going to put up first?
The 8-Bit NES / Super GameBoy Case [OGC-SNES-SGB].
I will be able to start making additional case types, after the Second, or Third, run of NES Cases sell out.
The first run is a break-even run, because the Mold costs so much to make.
This will not be the case, for the other cases, that have the same Outer Dimensions as the NES Case, as the mold will be modular:
When I get on the Second or Third run of NES Cases, I will do a poll and ask what to make next:
Famicom
SNES & SFC
n64 & Memory Pak
Atari 2600 & Jaguar
Genesis & EA
Genesis Game Genie & Sonic & Kunclkes
Sega Master System & 32X Carts
Interspersed throughout will be the cases for CD-Based games and Handheld Games.
I don't have a timeline for those yet, as I need to get a couple of UGC-Style-Case Product-Llines active first.
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Yeah, I need to hit 100,000 dollars.
Up to 10 K of that is going to be eaten up by Kickstarter and Amazon. -_-
It will take 645 100-packs to reach that goal, or about 64,500 Cases.
Should I wait until March 1'st to start the Kickstarter thing, so you all have plenty of lead time?
Once It gets posted, it only stays up for 30 days.
Yeowtch...100k might be pretty tough to reach, but I wish you success. :)
Oh, and definitely don't delay anything on my account. 30 days is plenty. I'd just rather wait for my month-end paycheck to hit before I pledge anything so I'd be able to do so the first week in March. Do whatever you have to to get as many people on board as quickly as you can.
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That's a whole bunch of cases for this kickstart thing. When you have a prototype to show get onto all the big gaming blogs about your product. Your going to need all the advertising you can get.
Surely a smaller run without this program would be easier for you to manage? I'm not sure of the maths or the markets for this but 100k seems like a huge amount to start with.
Either way ill be preordering as soon as you allow it.
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That's a whole bunch of cases for this kickstart thing. When you have a prototype to show get onto all the big gaming blogs about your product. Your going to need all the advertising you can get.
Surely a smaller run without this program would be easier for you to manage? I'm not sure of the maths or the markets for this but 100k seems like a huge amount to start with.
Yeah, I'd be inclined to agree. Trying to raise $100k for this project over the course of 30 days would be a colossal undertaking even with decent exposure. It's kind of stupid that Kickstart only gives you a 30 day window.
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Aaargh. Nes case is the only one I don't need 😥
I do however wish you the best of luck. I can't help but feel that separating out the different systems is going to make it difficult to reach your target, as well as cause you warehousing issues in the long run. It may be late in the day for you, but have you thought about a universal empty case with a removable tray for the different carts?
Not sure if an empty inner would drive the cost of injection moulding down at all?
I would happily buy up the outer cases I need, knowing that the inner trays to fit my carts would be available at some point in the future. This would perhaps make it easier to reach a goal of 10000 outer cases. You could then do a smaller run of the insert trays to go inside. (perhaps the trays could be modifiable to fit a smaller outer case similar in dimension to the 12 disk poly too?)
Just a thought. I know you've already done considerable research, so you may have already decided this approach was a bad idea. Good luck with whichever ones you decide on.
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$2 is also okay with me. That's roughly what I buy double-wide DVD cases for. Though I would like to know how much would it cost to ship to Poland.
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You make an excellent point about the prototype.
I'm going to get some prototypes made before I do the Kickstarter thing.
I'm going to start meeting with some local companies and get some made.
That right there is going to knock 5,000 off of the 100,000 goal.
As part of the prototyping process, 3D CAD Files will be generated.
With the 3D CAD Files, and photographs of the Prototypes,
I can quickly get quotes from multiple injection molding companies,
across the country, via e-mail.
And you know what that means! A lower overall price could be had for this project. ;)
If I could make fewer cases, and still qualify for the ideal price-per-case, that would be sweet,
since I am going to be limited on warehouse space, for a while.
When I ran the numbers for Shipping Quotes yesterday, I added 1 inch to each dimension of the 100-Pack Shipping Box, and I also added 1 pound, to be on the safe side.
Using that method, Shipping to Poland is 114 USD.
When you add that to the previous cost estimate of the cases, that works out to about $2.39 per case.
Poland is the most expensive country to ship to.
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I've been following this thread and it seems too good to be true.
It's a very good idea!
I would probably just stick to UGC for NES games as I am already 200 deep.
I would still suggest to start with the NES cases for production though. I think they would sell the best initially.
I'd like to offer my services free of charge if you need them .. I'm a certified accountant so I could help with budgeting / cost tracking, cost / benefit analysis, etc.
If you have some different production options with cost estimates I can help evaluate the alternatives. Perhaps free your time to work on the cases.
I'd love to see the project succeed.
Cheers and good luck!
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The 8-Bit NES / Super GameBoy Case [OGC-SNES-SGB].
I can't wait for these. I was wondering though, will the NES and SNES cases be designed to fit the catridge or will they be designed to fit the cartridge inside of the dust sleeves?
Genesis & EA
Genesis Game Genie & Sonic & Kunclkes
Sega Master System & 32X Carts
Will these be clear or black. I would love a case that fits Sonic & Knuckles better than the Genesis case I modified. And would love 32X cases as well. But I would also love for them to match my regular Genesis cases.
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The 8-Bit NES / Super GameBoy Case [OGC-SNES-SGB].
I can't wait for these. I was wondering though, will the NES and SNES cases be designed to fit the catridge or will they be designed to fit the cartridge inside of the dust sleeves?
No dust sleeve, said earlier in topic.
Genesis & EA
Genesis Game Genie & Sonic & Kunclkes
Sega Master System & 32X Carts
Will these be clear or black. I would love a case that fits Sonic & Knuckles better than the Genesis case I modified. And would love 32X cases as well. But I would also love for them to match my regular Genesis cases.
I too hope black ones for all consoles.
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No dust sleeve, said earlier in topic.
Ah!
Well, now I can make millions selling my Nintendo dust covers on fleebay! :D
I too hope black ones for all consoles.
I hadn't thought about that. I would actually prefer black for all consoles as well.
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I have an old nes case that does hold the game, manual, + black case.
the only problem is that it does not have a pocket for a cover.
here are some pics
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/fb219b510cd8206151e40ed902c31badbbf41ccfaeb4a4e612f1eabab4c348d76g.jpg)
http://www.mediafire.com/i/?2l7u5oqb4grvw68 (http://www.mediafire.com/i/?2l7u5oqb4grvw68)
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/addb43d436ad0942e91262da97b9fe38173eaca1566a401ea3aab3c89dc10e2c6g.jpg)
http://www.mediafire.com/i/?9w9368j8sv44pv2 (http://www.mediafire.com/i/?9w9368j8sv44pv2)
Sorry for poor pic quality my phone sucks at taking pics
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Poland is the most expensive country to ship to.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I say that Poland sucks...
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Yeah, that's one of the reasons I say that Poland sucks...
Poland is responsible for The Witcher and CD Projekt Red, so I cannot completely agree with your statement. ;)
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That and GOG.com, but that are probably the only things that are good here (also I don't like The Witcher so much).
Besides, I dare you to find any retro games if you don't live in Warsaw (apart from pirate Famicom multicarts).
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I have an old nes case that does hold the game, manual, + black case.
the only problem is that it does not have a pocket for a cover.
here are some pics
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/fb219b510cd8206151e40ed902c31badbbf41ccfaeb4a4e612f1eabab4c348d76g.jpg)
http://www.mediafire.com/i/?2l7u5oqb4grvw68 (http://www.mediafire.com/i/?2l7u5oqb4grvw68)
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/addb43d436ad0942e91262da97b9fe38173eaca1566a401ea3aab3c89dc10e2c6g.jpg)
http://www.mediafire.com/i/?9w9368j8sv44pv2 (http://www.mediafire.com/i/?9w9368j8sv44pv2)
Sorry for poor pic quality my phone sucks at taking pics
Ah, the classic clamshell NES case. If only we could get one of those with a sleeve...
Also, I feel that many might agree to make the case black or clear, as opposed to a favored "red" color... what would be sicknasty would be black with white specs; the same design used for the NES black label (1st games on NES) series. Now that would be awesome.
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I want all my NES games in same looking cases, and the pictured cases only fit normal manuals, not the SNES sized ones.
And no I don't want to fold my manuals in half. ;)
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I want all my NES games in same looking cases, and the pictured cases only fit normal manuals, not the SNES sized ones.
And no I don't want to fold my manuals in half. ;)
Bingo!
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I want all my NES games in same looking cases, and the pictured cases only fit normal manuals, not the SNES sized ones.
And no I don't want to fold my manuals in half. ;)
Bingo!
I agree with that, I aways hated that Dragon Warrior was in a different size case. Just because the manual didnt fit.
I am just hoping that these Onion cases can be modified to hold the black sleeves.
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I am just hoping that these Onion cases can be modified to hold the black sleeves.
Ofcourse they can be simply by removing the cartridge holding tabs.
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hey i`m very interested in the nes, snes and hanheld cases, will you ship to south america (colombia) ?
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== The Colors ==
All first runs for Cartridge Game Cases (UGC Style), CD/DVD Game Cases (DVD/PS2 Style), Handheld & Virtual Boy Game Cases (DS Style),
and HuCard/Sega Card Game Cases (CD Jewel Case Tray Style & DVD/PS2 Style) will be black.
At least 80% of each additional Run, of each Case Design, will be colored Black.
In other words, all cases will always be available in the Black Color.
I may offer some different color options in the future, such as Gold, for Zelda Games. 8)
Specially-Colored Cases may be only available on a pre-order basis at first, due to limited warehouse space,
but that will change, once I can afford to build a proper warehouse.
I can simply tell the Case Manufacturer to make any number of cases any color I want, and it won't affect pricing, unless it is a non-standard color.
Non-Standard colors are pretty much whatever they don't normally stock, and have to special order.
The price would increase by only a few cents per case though (it depends on on the overall # of cases I request to be a special color), so it's not really an issue. :P
I think I mentioned this before, but this thread is pretty big... XD
Cartridge Shells will be the same color(s) they were originally.
They'll look just like the originals, but they won't have any Stickers, or Labels, or Logos, or any other Text on them (for legal reasons).
I might also offer non-standard colors for Cartridge Shells; it's too early to speculate on this.
Console and Handheld Shells/Cases will initially be made to match the same color(s) they were originally.
However, I will also offer Solid White Versions of the Console and Handheld Shells/Cases, that will be designed to be painted by the buyer.
This way, Console Case Artists will have a nice canvas to work with from the get-go, and won't have to do any sanding.
Although, applying a Clear Protective Coat of some kind might be advisable, after painting.
I'll also be offering a case that looks exactly like a front-loader American NES on the outside (minus the Text and Logos).
It will be designed to be a "Stealth PC in a NES Case", with no Soldiering or Dremeling required.
I'll give further details on this product in the future. ;)
As I mentioned some pages back, I'm going to do all of the Game Cases before I get into making
Console Shells/Cases, Handheld System Shells/Cases, and Cart Shells.
=== NES / SGB Case Status Update ==
There's not much to report just yet.
As ya'll know, I've been looking into getting Prototypes Made.
There are several local places that will do it, and while their pricing is reasonable, it's still a little beyond my means to afford.
Don't get me wrong; the cost of prototyping is well within my *Budget.
I just haven't earned enough through the sales of the HuCard Sleeves, or my Games, Systems, Strategy Guides, and/or Accessories, to cover it yet.
It's only a matter of time, though. ;)
*The cost of getting the Prototypes and 3D CAD Files Made, for the NES/SGB Case,
will not affect my ability to order more of the HuCard Sleeves,
whenever my stock of them runs out.
=== Shipping to Colombia ===
I just finished looked in to shipping to Colombia.
Your country has some very strict importing rules, specifically the ones dealing with merchandise valued at over $20. :o
You can read what I read about it, at the following link:
http://pe.usps.com/text/imm/ce_010.htm
The main issue I'd have is that I'd have to take all of my packages to the Colombian Consulate in Houston,
to get them vetted by the staff that works there, before I can ship them to Colombia.
It is a one-hour round trip (36 Miles / 58 Kilometers), if traffic is good.
I'd have to do this for all orders valued at over $20.
This requires further research.
I'm going to have to speak with Colombian Consulate, for more details, and also to see what kinds of fees / duties may be incurred.
All of that info, and possibly more, will have to be factored into my cart code, so I can charge the correct amounts for shipping.
I'm also going to need to have all of the necessary Colombian Customs forms on hand, and learn how to fill them out properly.
Maybe I can apply for some kind of Exporter's License, so I don't have to go by the Colombian Consulate for every Colombian Order.
I'm not sure...
In addition to all of the above, I also need to make sure that Colombia is on the approved list of my Shipping Insurance Provider,
and if so, see what their fee structure is for that.
I'm currently on a lower tier of service with my Shipping Insurance Provider, and that tier does not cover Colombia.
I need to hit a certain monthly sales volume, before I can apply for higher tiers of Shipping Insurance,
so I can afford the monthly fees that come with the higher tiers.
I'm too busy, at this time, to do all of the legwork on this, but when things calm down, I will look into opening up shipping to Colombia.
In other words, it's complicated, but still doable, and it will be a while before I can do it.
=== This Week's Plans ===
I'm inspecting, and testing, some more Strategy Guides, Two Systems, and Two Handhelds.
The ones that pass will get added to my site (for sale).
The ones that fail, will get thrown in the general direction of the woodland creatures, that like to fight each other in my yard, when I'm trying to sleep. :-\
In the future, I'll open some of my security cams to live streaming on the web. ;D
I'm not really gonna throw stuff at woodland creatures, but they do like to fight in my yard. It's pretty weird, but I digress...
I've been spending a an hour or so, per day, when I can, prepping the stuff I recently added for sale on the site.
The Games and Systems are getting Bubble-Wrapped and Labeled, and the strat guides are getting sleeved in plastic.
Doing this helps me keep up my track record of Fast Shipping, when I get multiple orders on the same day. ;)
I still have about 58 things to prep.
I'm expecting a delivery of more HuCard Sleeves this week, as well.
I need to go through them all, and set aside the ones that don't make the cut, (are out of spec) and box up the ones that are within tolerances.
This time around, I'm going to inspect only 1 or 2 thousand sleeves per day.
It takes longer to do it this way, but at least I won't go too insane... :-X
I'm also trying to find a good time to put the dirt back into the trenches I dug in the front yard.
It's been raining a lot here lately, and I need the soil to be nice and dry before I attempt this.
I installed a Cheap and Simple, Gate Intercom Terminal the other day, and it's not wireless, hence the need for the trenches.
It's pretty neat; it ties in to my home phone line and gives a distinctive ring when someone pushes the button outside.
I no longer have to waste entire days, looking out the window, when I'm expecting deliveries or pickups.
I can now make better use of my time on those days; designing stuff, packing stuff, testing stuff, building stuff, repairing stuff, perfecting my Ramen Recipes, and so on.
My First Priority, when I get home from Work, it to fill the Day's Orders.
It's also my first priority when I get up.
Whenever I don't have to go in to the office, like on a weekend, or when I can just work from home, I fill orders as they come in.
That reminds me; I can't drop off USPS Orders on Saturdays anymore, because the local Post office isn't open on Saturdays anymore, only Monday through Friday.
Stuff shipped via *UPS can still get dropped off on Saturdays, though, so it's
M-F for USPS and M-Sat for *UPS.
I only use *UPS when the weight of the order exceeds 3 Pounds, as they become cheaper at that point (that's why my site's shipping is so low on heavier or multiple items).
*I only use UPS on 3+ Pound items domestically.
All international orders ship via USPS, because it's cheaper.
UPS and FedEx have some hefty brokerage fees, when it comes to international shipments.
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I noticed yesterday that the European multi-lingual Game Gear manual don't fit into DS cases.
So maybe also start making cases for them, atleast need couple hundred of them.
I'll measure the manual when I get home.
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Awesome! Thanks for the extensive update. So glad to hear the cases will be black too. :D
I agree, I would love Game Gear cases as well. I hadn't really thought about those but I have quite a few and I have quite a few on my wish list as well.
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I noticed yesterday that the European multi-lingual Game Gear manual don't fit into DS cases.
So maybe also start making cases for them, at least need couple hundred of them.
I'll measure the manual when I get home.
American Game Gear Manuals are a bit too tall to fit in a standard DS Case, but my Game Gear Cases will be tall enough to support them.
Hopefully your European multi-lingual Game Gear manual will be able to fit too.
If not, I'll increase the dimensions of the case design. ;)
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This is exactly what I need. The normal UGCs just didn't appeal to me because of their transparency. It would stick out in my collection in a bad way. I'm totally excited about this, and plan to keep an eye out.
I'm assuming these will have a plastic cover that will allow slip-inserts?
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Naturally, otherwise these would be useless considering our site's goal ;)
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Hah, I guess that was a pretty silly question, after all.
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thanks for the details seymour when you have the time i know a lot of people from here that would be interested in the cases ;D
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Ok here's a crazy Idea, Could it be possible to make big cases for consoles? With a sleeve on it just like a game? Im talking all consoles. Not just handhelds but even PS2 Fat, and Original XBOX.
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Ok here's a crazy Idea, Could it be possible to make big cases for consoles? With a sleeve on it just like a game? Im talking all consoles. Not just handhelds but even PS2 Fat, and Original XBOX.
These have been talked, but the killing thing has eventually been printing, scans and eventually lack of interest.
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Plus, they would be mondo gigantic. They'd require significant R&D to make strong enough to do the job, not to mention tooling costs, which would be significant.
For systems, I'd try and find some sort of existing PP snap-top container or something to that effect. You could just print adhesive labels (although PP doesn't really get along with most any adhesive) and do it that way. I've been considering doing this myself for a while as displaying all my consoles has been tricky :-\
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Yea I can see how hard this would be to accomplish. I find it very exciting what Seymor Onion is doing. I would definitely go in on it.
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Actually check:
http://seymoronion.com/
On the bar on the left under My New Products, below Game Cases & Sleeves it says: Console & Handheld Cases
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Yeah, it's a pretty sweet endeavor. I really hope it happens. I really don't want to re-case anything that I've already done, but for future projects it would be killer so I don't have to modify the shit out of every UGC that I use for a particular format. I already did that to all my DS cases for all the damned portable games, and some of them don't fit very nicely no matter what you do :-\
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I meant I think he is planning on making cases for storing the actual consoles.
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Actually check:
http://seymoronion.com/
On the bar on the left under My New Products, below Game Cases & Sleeves it says: Console & Handheld Cases
I missed that before. Even looking again after seeing this post it took me a second to see it. That's pretty crazy. I would love to see a universally-sized case for home consoles. That's a serious project right there. I don't know if there would be enough demand to make it worthwhile (let alone to recoup costs), but I know I'd be down for that!
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It seems that this thread has pretty much gone to the wayside.....
I really hope the NES cases will be made soon....
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Seymour, throw us an update man!
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Hey, guys!
Sales have been slow, and unpredictable.
Rising Gas Prices, and possibly having to pay in Income Tax, may be partly to blame.
If you live in the US of A, the deadline for filing Federal Income Tax is Tuesday, April 17'th.
I haven't quite reached the $ goal to begin the Physical Prototype Creation phase yet, but it's only a matter of time.
Here's a brief recap of the plan I'm using, to get the improved versions of UGC Cases Made, and available for sale:
Step One
Fundraising for Physical Prototypes & 3D Cad Files (let's call this R&D, for short) with sales from HuCard Sleeves & My Game Collection.
We are currently at this stage. The 'ETA' for reaching the goal is hard to determine.
Step Two
Post real Photos of the Cases in Action (and possibly links to videos of them on YouTube) on this forum and my website.
I'll also post (on this Forum, and on my Website) the outer dimensions of the cases,
and the dimensions of the Clear Jacket areas.
At this point I will begin e-mailing multiple USA-Based Injection Molding Manufacturers copies of the 3D CAD Files,
and photos of the Prototypes, so they can give me price quotes for the Master Mold, as well as per-case pricing for various quantity runs, and the pricing for adding the Clear Jacket to each case.
Once I narrow it down to a small number of potential companies, I may need to also mail them some of the prototypes, if they say they need them in hand for testing, and such.
This Step should take about a month.
Once I find a good manufacturer, and the price is right, on to Step Three!
Step Three
Begin KickStarter Fundraising for Game Cases*.
This will take One Month.
Step Four
Use the funds raised through KickStarter to make the Modular Master Mold, and manufacture the first run of Game Cases*.
This will take anywhere from a minimum of 3 Months, to a Maximum of 6 Months.
I will have a firm timeline for this step, on the day that I begin Step Three.
Step Five
Once Manufacture is complete, and I receive them at My Warehouse, I will begin shipping out all of the cases that donators are owed, and open up sales for the extras on my website and eBay.
I'll fill the pre-orders that were made through Kickstarter first, in the order they were received.
You will receive an e-mail on the day your order ships.
However, some Friday and Saturday Notices (and all Sunday Notices) will actually ship out on Monday,
because of the office hours of the courier's drop-off locations,
or because I might need to avoid the extra expense of weekend pickups,
to protect my low price structure.
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Speaking of my Pricing structure, don't order my stuff off of eBay, unless it's from a seller that's not me, because:
A) I have to overcharge for my stuff on eBay a little bit, to compensate for eBay's Final Value Fees.
B) I will only offer Quantity Discounts on my Website.
I would avoid eBay all-together, but it helps my products to get viewed by gamers who don't know about TCP, or my website.
I say "unless it's from a seller that's not me" because there may be people other people selling my cases on eBay, in the future.
You can check the "Authorized Resellers" section of my website, to make sure they're legit, before ya order from them.
Actually, make sure to check that section before you place any orders, because there may be someone local that's reselling them.
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*About KickStarter & Game Case Selection
I plan to use KickStarter so you all can place pre-orders for Game Cases.
The money from the Pre-Orders will also cover the cost of a **Modular Master Mold that will support up to Six Game Case Designs.
First, you'd select the overall quantity of Game Cases you want, in multiples of 100 (or less, if you live in certain countries, due to single-box-overall-size-shipping-limits).
Next, you'd pay for them.
Either sometime before, during, or after payment, you will either select, or write-in, what cases you want and what quantity of each type.
This part does not have to be in multiples of 100, but the sum total needs to match the overall quantity you are pre-ordering.
Here are the Case Types that the Modular Master Mold will support:
A) 8-Bit NES Games & The Super GameBoy Cartridge.
B) Super Nintendo Games & Super Famicom Games.
C) Nintendo 64 Games & (Nintendo Brand) Nintendo 64 Controller Paks (http://www.seymoronion.com/n64/Accessories/1a.jpg).
D) Standard Size Sega Genesis Games & Tall EA Sports Games for the Genesis.
E) A Specialty case that supports the Lock-On Sonic & Knuckles Genesis Game, and the Genesis Game Genie.
F) Standard Size Cart-Based Games for Sega Master System & Cart-Based Games for Sega's 32X.
Whatever "100x Game Cases" pack you choose, don't all have to be the same Case Type.
You can mix and match using the above list.
**I might have to make a Single-Design Master Mold to begin with, instead of a Modular one.
It depends on what the upfront costs are going to be.
If I have to take this route, I'll do the NES+SGB Cases first, and the KickStarter thing will only allow for pre-orders of that style of case.
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Today I'm dealing with some flooding that occurred at the Apartment, due to a mistake made by Apartment Staff, when they were working on the upstairs' neighbor's Air Conditioner's Drain Line.
Don't worry; none of my gaming stuff got wet, and everything I'm selling isn't at the apartment, anyway. XD
It's all across town @ the Warehouse.
I do Accounting (and other related paperwork) at the Apartment, and none of that got wet either.
The only water damage is to the some of the ceiling and the walls in a room I hardly ever use.
I've been using my Shop Vac to try and extract as much water as I can from the carpet, then I need to pull it up, vac some more, then set up some fans. After that's done (should only be a couple of hours, tops) it's back to the warehouse, so I can get back to Order Fulfillment. 8)
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At this point I will begin e-mailing multiple USA-Based Injection Molding Manufacturers copies of the 3D CAD Files
If you're having a hard time finding someone in the US to do the work for you or if they're just too far out of your price range, then let me know. I have good relations with a US-based firm that has a division in China which can and will get this done for you. I know China isn't the 1st choice (it's never been mine), but it can actually be pretty tricky to get a US manufacturer to take on jobs this small, whereas the Chinese will take on smaller projects like this without even blinking. At the very least you'll know that you're supporting a US-based company and not just some random Chinese factory.
Also, I can help you out if you're interested in some logo/graphic design for your products. It can be really helpful to have such things with Kickstarter and hunting for investors in general. People tend to take you more seriously with a logo design, stationary, business cards, etc already in place. If you're interested then just shoot me a pm and we can chat about it. As a small business owner myself, I know it can be REALLY tough to get started with a project like this ;)
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Step One
Fundraising for Physical Prototypes & 3D Cad Files (let's call this R&D, for short) with sales from HuCard Sleeves & My Game Collection.
We are currently at this stage. The 'ETA' for reaching the goal is hard to determine.
Hey do you need any help with 3D CAD Files? I'm a Design Engineer and can easily hook you up with 3D models and Engineering Drawings. Message me and I'll give you my personal contact info.
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Man, I love how this community has people from all professions in it. Seymour's already got someone offering help with designs, accounting, and manufacturing. The UGC's days are numbered, methinks! :D
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If you're having a hard time finding someone in the US to do the work for you or if they're just too far out of your price range, then let me know. I have good relations with a US-based firm that has a division in China which can and will get this done for you. I know China isn't the 1st choice (it's never been mine), but it can actually be pretty tricky to get a US manufacturer to take on jobs this small, whereas the Chinese will take on smaller projects like this without even blinking. At the very least you'll know that you're supporting a US-based company and not just some random Chinese factory.
Last year, when I was meeting with, and e-mailing, Injection Molding Manufacturers in the states, all I could get from them was rough estimates, as all I had were hand-drawings.
However, they were all very interested in making the Game Cases.
Thanks for the offer, but I'm sticking with All-American Materials and Manufacturing.
It's a lot easier to sue American based companies if they give me the shaft / are in breach of contract.
I'm not lawsuit happy, but still, dealing with foreign companies, in whole, or in part, is not worth the risk.
Especially now, when I'm just starting out.
I can't easily afford to fly to another country, and appear in their courts, if things hit the fan, and that is the only legal avenue open to me.
Also, I can help you out if you're interested in some logo/graphic design for your products. It can be really helpful to have such things with Kickstarter and hunting for investors in general. People tend to take you more seriously with a logo design, stationary, business cards, etc already in place. If you're interested then just shoot me a pm and we can chat about it. As a small business owner myself, I know it can be REALLY tough to get started with a project like this ;)
I'm taking the minimalistic approach for now, to keep upfront costs low.
I am going to have some small plain-text on the inside of the cases:
JTD Software / SeymorOnion.com / Part Number & "X Goes Here" kinda stuff.
I looked in to getting Stationary/Letterhead/Company Logo/Business Cards, but again, it's money better spent on getting the first set of Game Cases out of the door. XD
I may need to get some new business cards made later on down the line, and I will need to update my company logo, and TM it, but the only people I'll be meeting with this year are manufacturers and designers that will want my business, not the other way around.
When I get to a point where I want to sell T-Shirts and hats and what not, then I'll invest in a new logo, and get some new business cards made, with the new logo on em.
The market for clothing with my logo on it is probably going to be the lowest in-demand thing I make, so it's going to be quite some time before I start investing in that. :P
I'm not looking for investors at this time, and I probably never will.
There are a great number of products on the market, that are almost perfect.
This is probably due, in no small part, to investors, and caring more about the bottom line, than in the functionality of Design, and Longevity of products.
This is just my opinion, but the UGC is a great example of this.
An even better example is the Fat (first) version of the XBOX 360 Console.
Going with the lowest bidder, for Manufacturing & Parts, rarely works out well for the end-user, and can do great harm to the reputation of the companies that use these business practices.
Another issue is what happens if someone invests $ 50,000 in my company, but I never make enough money to repay it, or I don't make enough money fast enough? I might wind up losing my house, even if I didn't put it up as collateral.
There's more to it than this, but I'm trying to keep my word-count low in this post. XD
Hey do you need any help with 3D CAD Files? I'm a Design Engineer and can easily hook you up with 3D models and Engineering Drawings. Message me and I'll give you my personal contact info.
I already have a couple of places lined up to do this for me, once I get the $.
However, if you are based within 100 or so Miles of Downtown Houston, Texas, and have a 3D Printer, lemme know.
The R&D Phase needs to be face-to-face, and not require hotel stays, or air travel.
One thing I would really LOVE to have, is help with Accounting; ie: A Business Accountant.
I'm pretty much doing it all myself, and it is eating up more of my time that I'd like.
I'm going to stick with it, at least until I make it through several years of IRS Returns, because I need the experience, so I can spot embezzlement, honest mistakes, and such.
The record-keeping part is easy, except for the delayed reimbursements from UPS (it's a long story, for another time).
It's the Govt' forms I have issues with.
Actually, I am getting professional help just before I mail in any of my Sales Tax or IRS Returns, but it's more or less just having them double-check my math, and make sure I fill out all of the paperwork properly.
I've also been taking some online courses, so as to avoid a permanent impression of a palm on my face...
Speaking of Face-Palm Moments...
This is my old company logo:
(http://www.SeymorOnion.com/Icons/JTD_Software_Logo.gif)
It seriously needs an update before I start making stuff that needs a logo.
I'm thinking something that's more in line with today's logos; something vector-based, not a Photoshopped picture of me playing a VR game in the 90's... :P
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To be clear, I know that there are many foreign companies out there, that make top notch products. 8)
I'm just being overly cautious, because I have so much to lose, this early in my venture.
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It's a US-based company, like I was saying. If you had to sue, you would do it in the US.
I totally understand wanting to manufacture in the US. I tried, but nobody would ever reply, so I said fuck 'em. Sucks because we all moan about manufacturing going overseas, but it was the only option for me at the time :/ It's good to hear that you've been receiving responses :)
I really meant that you could use some graphics and a logo to spruce up the website more than anything at the moment. Also, if you had a design for cards/stationary/etc you could just print 'em yourself as you need them. You wouldn't have to really spend any money to produce the goods. Once you have a logo designed, creating stationary and business cards up would take about 10 minutes for any half-decent designer. The logo is really the only thing about the branding that you could spend any significant money on.
I thought you were posting the project on Kickstarter? Isn't that site pretty much for seeking an investment in something that you've created or want to create?
As far as investors go and any concerns of losing your car, house, etc, that's a non-issue. You'll incorporate so that that CANNOT happen. With regards to investors making a return, well, that's the risk that they're taking. That's why investing in a new company is a precarious undertaking. They may still try and sue, but if the company has already gone or is going belly-up, then they wouldn't bother. Fruitless effort.
You should retain a contract lawyer before making any sort of arrangement with a firm or manufacturer. Covering your ass BEFORE the shit (possibly) hits the fan is really what you want/need to do. Contract law is tricky, like all law, and you may find yourself SOL because of some tiny line of text in the contract if the manufacturer were to screw you. DO NOT try and take on the task of negotiating a contract on your own! (if you're already on top of that stuff, then please pardon me for presuming that the info would be helpful)
Anywho, best of luck to ya! I'm excited to see what's next ;D
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If you need help from an accountant, I'm an auditor with the federal government so I'm well adjusted with dealing with forms and other such bullcrap :D
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I'm a certified accountant and have no problem helping out. Just shoot me a pm and let me know what you need
I'm a CGA in Canada however Canadian and us accounting are pretty similar and once the USA hopefully adopts international standards it wont matter much. Regardless the company I work for reports in USA standards
You really should consider the marketing aspect. Physical stationary may not be necessary but a flashy web presence is usually pretty cheap and a good bang for your buck
Also with regards to investing wiggy is right you would draw up a contract with the help of a lawyer that sets expectations for how and when any sort of investment would be paid back. Furthermore wiggy is right about incorporating. This means your personal assets are taken out of the equation.
The main thing I could help with is planning and break even analysis so that you can figure out if the business plan is feasible before spending your hard earned cash.
I'd also disagree about an investor wanting to compromise quality.
A niche product must be of good quality or else the hard core market won't sustain it
The Ugc is cheaply made because it's targeted to rental places and meant to be disposable
The main thing I could help with is
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Ignore the last half sentence. Was posting from a mobile and couldn't scroll down
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Hey do you need any help with 3D CAD Files? I'm a Design Engineer and can easily hook you up with 3D models and Engineering Drawings. Message me and I'll give you my personal contact info.
I already have a couple of places lined up to do this for me, once I get the $.
However, if you are based within 100 or so Miles of Downtown Houston, Texas, and have a 3D Printer, lemme know.
The R&D Phase needs to be face-to-face, and not require hotel stays, or air travel.
Well R&D doesn't necessarily have to be face to face. I work with my France manufacturing every day on the phone, webex, or videoconference. I'm based near New York City.
To be honest I was offering to work for free; the only funding I would ever need would be to get rapid 3D printing prototypes done. I could draft you up 3d Models and drawings in a weekend for any case you'd need. Send me the hand drawings you have and I'll make them 3d w/ professional engineering drawing layouts.
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Yeah, I don't get the face-to-face part of that either.
In all honesty, I'd be willing to do some work for product. It's not like this is a HUGE corporate branding project or anything. We're talking about an hour or so to knock out some logo ideas ;)
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My offer was also to do it for free because I find it interesting ... just to clarify. ;D
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I really meant that you could use some graphics and a logo to spruce up the website more than anything at the moment.
I am working on a logo, I have nothing done yet, been busy but I currently on vacation.
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wow everybody helping! such a nice community, i can help you making people in my country know about this, also i`m a graphic designer (not graduated yet)
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i`m a graphic designer (not graduated yet)
I'm still in high school and only 16. ;)
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If you don't have time, then I'll gladly take care of it.
34, nearly 15 years of graphics and illustration behind me ;)
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wow everybody helping! such a nice community, i can help you making people in my country know about this, also i`m a graphic designer (not graduated yet)
I was an art student prior to switching over to other studies. I've been using the adobe suite for about 7 years now ;D
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If you don't have time, then I'll gladly take care of it.
34, nearly 15 years of graphics and illustration behind me ;)
Are you talking about the logo? I can do it. Though Young I am good at what I do. Here's the logo for the series I'm working on:
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555878_214265905340480_152505018183236_304391_580230829_n.jpg)
I was working on a Cover Project, I have the raw file but I think I posted it somewhere. I'll look.
EDIT: Found It!
(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp280/larryinc64/The%20Cover%20Project/Logosample-1.png?t=1301190843)
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(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp280/larryinc64/The%20Cover%20Project/Logosample-1.png?t=1301190843)
I never realized it spelled out cover.... :o
Oh larryinc64, you're a sneaky one...... ;D
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If you don't have time, then I'll gladly take care of it.
34, nearly 15 years of graphics and illustration behind me ;)
Are you talking about the logo? I can do it. Though Young I am good at what I do. Here's the logo for the series I'm working on:
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555878_214265905340480_152505018183236_304391_580230829_n.jpg)
I was working on a Cover Project, I have the raw file but I think I posted it somewhere. I'll look.
EDIT: Found It!
(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp280/larryinc64/The%20Cover%20Project/Logosample-1.png?t=1301190843)
a little vector magic there?
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If you don't have time, then I'll gladly take care of it.
34, nearly 15 years of graphics and illustration behind me ;)
that`s cool i would like to work in videogame concept art someday, maybe in an indie game to start. the bad thing is i`m not that good at illustrations, and my free time i spend it in videogames so.. really need to practice.
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If you don't have time, then I'll gladly take care of it.
34, nearly 15 years of graphics and illustration behind me ;)
Are you talking about the logo? I can do it. Though Young I am good at what I do. Here's the logo for the series I'm working on:
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/555878_214265905340480_152505018183236_304391_580230829_n.jpg
I was working on a Cover Project, I have the raw file but I think I posted it somewhere. I'll look.
EDIT: Found It!
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp280/larryinc64/The%20Cover%20Project/Logosample-1.png?t=1301190843
No no, I wasn't at all trying to say that you're not capable. You've got some nice work there. It just seemed like you were backed up/busy, so that's why I offered ;)
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I was just saying my age, i did not think you were saying that. I have some ideas based on system logos.
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Cool, I can't wait to see what you come up with! That JDEX (is that right?) logo is pretty out there. That must have taken a pretty significant chunk of time to create.
It's so cool that you younger guys have access to this software at such a young age. I was in a graphics program in high school and we did almost EVERYTHING by hand. We had 5 Macs for 20+ kids :( And they were primitive. I think we were learning Corel Draw? It would have been in 1994/5. I can't recall exactly. Either way, I hated whatever software we were using. I stumbled upon Illustrator about 4-5 years later and just started tinkering with it and was pretty impressed with it. I didn't have a clue what I was doing though, and had to pretty much teach myself, which means I didn't get to the point you're at until I was well into my 20's. The whole digital transition cut the time it takes to create logos and grpahics into a tiny fraction of what it did when it was all done with slide rules, Rapidograph pens, and rubylith overlay. What a pain in the ass that stuff was.
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Cool, I can't wait to see what you come up with! That JDEX (is that right?) logo is pretty out there. That must have taken a pretty significant chunk of time to create.
It's so cool that you younger guys have access to this software at such a young age. I was in a graphics program in high school and we did almost EVERYTHING by hand. We had 5 Macs for 20+ kids :( And they were primitive. I think we were learning Corel Draw? It would have been in 1994/5. I can't recall exactly. Either way, I hated whatever software we were using. I stumbled upon Illustrator about 4-5 years later and just started tinkering with it and was pretty impressed with it. I didn't have a clue what I was doing though, and had to pretty much teach myself, which means I didn't get to the point you're at until I was well into my 20's. The whole digital transition cut the time it takes to create logos and grpahics into a tiny fraction of what it did when it was all done with slide rules, Rapidograph pens, and rubylith overlay. What a pain in the ass that stuff was.
but a lot of computer generation designers are pretty bad with analog methods, you have an advantage there, i have to learn drawing by my self because in college only teach the adobe suite and concepts for agumental purposes.
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The Logo Contest Has Begun!
Link: http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=10572.0 (http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=10572.0)
Good luck, everyone! 8)
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I thought of another case idea for you.
2 cart cases for gameboy, gameboy color, and gba.
So people can make dual cases or store more than on copy of a game without taking up extra space.
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I thought of another case idea for you.
2 cart cases for gameboy, gameboy color, and gba.
So people can make dual cases or store more than on copy of a game without taking up extra space.
Thanks. I added your idea to my notes. 8)
By the way, if any of you haven't subscribed to this thread yet, now would be a good time.
I'm going to make an Announcement,
about the Availability of my Game Cases,
on, or shortly after,
Saturday, October 13'th. ;)
October 13'th is Two Weeks after the opening day of the Portland Retro Gaming Expo (http://retrogamingexpo.com/).
I can't make a personal appearance there, this year, but if you happen to be going (Sat, Sept 29'th & Sun, Sept 30'th) be sure to keep an eye out for a friend of mine. I'll give more details about him, as the PRGE approaches.
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Dual cases would good for the pokemon games
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As well as Zelda Oracle of Seasons/Ages.
Actually, Specialized cases might be better for some of the Pokemon Games.
If i can get each special case to hold up to 3 GB, 3 GBA*, and at least 2 DS games, then these combos would work:
GB: Red, Blue and Yellow.
GBA: FireRed and LeafGreen
GBC: Gold, Silver, Crystal.
DS: HeartGold, SoulSilver
GBA: Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald
I think that the sidewalls for GB games could easily hold GBA Games if I have some strategically placed gaps along the sides of them, for those top bits that extend to the left and right.
I'll have to do some testing. 8)
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As well as Zelda Oracle of Seasons/Ages.
Actually, Specialized cases might be better for some of the Pokemon Games.
If i can get each special case to hold up to 3 GB, 3 GBA*, and at least 2 DS games, then these combos would work:
GB: Red, Blue and Yellow.
GBA: FireRed and LeafGreen
GBC: Gold, Silver, Crystal.
DS: HeartGold, SoulSilver
GBA: Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald
I think that the sidewalls for GB games could easily hold GBA Games if I have some strategically placed gaps along the sides of them, for those top bits that extend to the left and right.
I'll have to do some testing. 8)
That sounds really interesting although I'm one of those that like having separate cases for separate games. As long as the game and manual fits, I'm totally in for single cases.
Would custom colours be more expensive? I understand that theoretically yes since it's a different dye colour for the ABS plastic.
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As well as Zelda Oracle of Seasons/Ages.
Actually, Specialized cases might be better for some of the Pokemon Games.
If i can get each special case to hold up to 3 GB, 3 GBA*, and at least 2 DS games, then these combos would work:
GB: Red, Blue and Yellow.
GBA: FireRed and LeafGreen
GBC: Gold, Silver, Crystal.
DS: HeartGold, SoulSilver
GBA: Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald
I think that the sidewalls for GB games could easily hold GBA Games if I have some strategically placed gaps along the sides of them, for those top bits that extend to the left and right.
I'll have to do some testing. 8)
That sounds really interesting although I'm one of those that like having separate cases for separate games. As long as the game and manual fits, I'm totally in for single cases.
Would custom colours be more expensive? I understand that theoretically yes since it's a different dye colour for the ABS plastic.
Full Manual Support is one of my primary objectives. Without that, they'd be a less incentive to get my cases over the UGCs.
Custom Colors shouldn't be more expensive.
If I can get a good match from stock colors, then I could absorb that cost.
If they have to mix up a Special Color, then some fees would apply.
Even so, a Special Color Mix shouldn't add more than 20 cents or so to the MSRP of my Case's prices.
Most of the Standard Cases will come in Black, and one or more might come in White.
I already plan on making some Gold Cases for Zelda Games.
I could also do some Colored Cases for Pokemon, or any other game that originally came in a Plastic Box that wasn't a Standard Color.
The thing is, I can only store up to 56,000 (UGC Size) Game Cases in my current Warehouse (Rent Free), so Color Choices will be rather limited for a while. I'd like to make a few Hundred NES, SNES and n64 Gold Cases though, at the end of the First Run. They'll be in addition to the number of Gold Ones that are requested during the KickStarter Pre-Order/ Fundraiser thing.
If there are any colors you think would be nice to have, other than Black or Gold, or any other color that's mentioned below, for the following Case Types, let me know, so I can get quotes on them, and add them as an option in my KickStarter campaign.
1. Atari 2600 & 7800
2. Atari Jaguar & 5200
3. NES & Super Gameboy
4. Famicom
5. Super NES / Super Famicom
6. n64
7. Master System & 32x
8. Genesis Standard & Genesis Tall EA
9. The Special Sonic & Kunckles & Genny Game Genie Combo Case
I plan to make the Soft, Tall DVD-Case-Style Sega CD/32Xcd/Saturn Cases available in Black, White, Blue and
Orange or Yellow.
The HuCard Trays will be available in White and Black.
The Handheld Game Cases (similar to DS Style Cases) will be available in White, Black and Gold.
Pokemon Fans will probably also want Red, Blue, Yellow and Green; as well as different shades of those colors.
Part of picking the right colors will involve you guys, as well as me buying (or borrowing) any games in question, to get the right color-match.
I gotta wait till Oct 13'th before I buy or borrow any games, though, but I'm all for getting color suggestions early. 8)
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Honestly, I'd just do what easier for you. Black is a pretty much what most people will want but 0.20 or whatever it costs for another colour is fine with me I'd gladly pay the extra cost when they get made.
I can't really think of other colours, I mean, the only games that come to mind are Zelda & Pokemon games, of course people here will probably think of a few more.
Have a question about the Master System & 32x cases. Are they going to be the same size as the original Genesis cases or are they going to be the size of UGC's? Same with the Sonic & Knuckles special case. I believe you said they were going to be the original size, but I could be mistaken.
Can't wait for the announcement on October 13th, only 2 months to go ;)
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Perhaps I missed this, but will you be making clear cases, Seymor? It would be great if they somewhat matched UGCs that I already own.
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Honestly, I'd just do what easier for you. Black is a pretty much what most people will want but 0.20 or whatever it costs for another colour is fine with me I'd gladly pay the extra cost when they get made.
I can't really think of other colours, I mean, the only games that come to mind are Zelda & Pokemon games, of course people here will probably think of a few more.
Have a question about the Master System & 32x cases. Are they going to be the same size as the original Genesis cases or are they going to be the size of UGC's? Same with the Sonic & Knuckles special case. I believe you said they were going to be the original size, but I could be mistaken.
Can't wait for the announcement on October 13th, only 2 months to go ;)
All 9 Case Types will have the same Outer Dimensions as each other.
They'll be a little bit bigger than the current crop of UGCs.
I have to do this because of limitations inherent in my Modular Mold design.
The only modular parts will be for the inside stuff, like placement of Manual Tabs, Cart Tabs, Cart Walls, and the Tabs and Walls for the n64 Memory Card (the n64 case will accommodate at least one memory card, as well as one n64 Game Cart).
Sonic & Knuckles + the Manual doesn't fit too well in the OEM Genesis Cases.
The OEM Genny case isn't deep enough to do so w/o bulging.
There are similar issues with the other Carts and their Manuals, that a few more mm of Debth, Height and Width can correct. ;)
Ill be able to give accurate dimensions after the Prototyping Process is complete.
Perhaps I missed this, but will you be making clear cases, Seymor? It would be great if they somewhat matched UGCs that I already own.
I added that color option to my notes.
The raw material is clear, so I can simply ask them to not add the Black Dye to X number of them.
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how is this going?
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It's going well. After I eat breakfast, I'm going to start painting one of the rooms where the Onion Game Cases are going to be stored.
After that's done, I need to paint one more room.
Why am I painting those two rooms, you might ask?
Last year I had to bring the electrical system in my warehouse up to code.
Most of the attic is inaccessible, because it's really low, so a number of the walls needed sections cut out of them, horizontally, to run the new wiring.
There were a number of holes made in the ceiling as well, that I've patched up, because I had the electricians move a number of Ceiling Light Fixtures to different locations on the ceilings, or just remove, because there were too many of them in some of the rooms.
The original builder went overboard in some of the rooms with the # of light fixtures.
After putting the Sheetrock sections back in the wall, I covered the seams with joint tape and Spackle.
I could just leave it like that, but the Spackle really needs a nice coating of paint on it, to seal it up.
I could just paint over the Spackled parts, but I figure that I might as well do the whole room(s), while I have the opportunity to get it done, since they are currently empty.
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you need red cases for VirtualBoy games too!
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It's going well. After I eat breakfast, I'm going to start painting one of the rooms where the Onion Game Cases are going to be stored.
After that's done, I need to paint one more room.
Why am I painting those two rooms, you might ask?
Last year I had to bring the electrical system in my warehouse up to code.
Most of the attic is inaccessible, because it's really low, so a number of the walls needed sections cut out of them, horizontally, to run the new wiring.
There were a number of holes made in the ceiling as well, that I've patched up, because I had the electricians move a number of Ceiling Light Fixtures to different locations on the ceilings, or just remove, because there were too many of them in some of the rooms.
The original builder went overboard in some of the rooms with the # of light fixtures.
After putting the Sheetrock sections back in the wall, I covered the seams with joint tape and Spackle.
I could just leave it like that, but the Spackle really needs a nice coating of paint on it, to seal it up.
I could just paint over the Spackled parts, but I figure that I might as well do the whole room(s), while I have the opportunity to get it done, since they are currently empty.
Ugh, drywall work blows. I feel your pain on that one. Best of luck getting it all patched up.
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Did the painting on the 2nd room go well?
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I haven't started in on painting the second room just yet, but I should be done with the prep work tonight.
I would have painted sooner, but I completely forgot that I needed to square off a doorway-shaped-hole in the wall. XD
That's what I've been working on this evening; roughing in a door opening.
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Work_Area/Door1a.jpg)
I've got the 2x4's and plywood in place;
Now I gotta put the elbows on, and Spackle it all up.
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Work_Area/Door1b.jpg)
After I paint, but before I put the carpet back down,
I need to cut away the excess foam sealant.
You can see some of it in the above picture.
It seals any gaps between the Floor and the Wall; keeping bugs out.
The Spackle I use, dries fairly quickly, so I can start painting the Second Room tomorrow (Labor Day).
Well, at least the First Room's paint job turned out ok, and there's no other work that needs to be done to it. :P
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Man, it took me all night, but the Spackle is on.
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Work_Area/Door1c.jpg)
While it dries, I'm gonna take a nap.
I'll start painting when I get up.
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Alright, it's October 13! Spill the beans, Seymor! ;D
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As ya'll know, a friend of mine went to the Portland Retro Gaming Expo, two weeks ago.
While he was there, he handed out free samples of the HuCard Sleeves, along with coupons for 10% off anything ordered through my Website (HuCard & GBA Sleeves, GBA Trays, Games, Systems, Guides, and so on).
The Coupon Code is:
PRGE2012
It will stop working today, at midnight.
I also announced the Coupon Code to all of the subscribers to my Newsletter.
I had hoped that this promotion would generate enough sales, to cover the costs of prototyping the Game Cases, but alas, it did not. :'(
So, it's back to the original plan:
~ A diet of Instant Ramen, Bowls of Cereal, V8, and the occasional Cheeseburger,
~ Pouring more money from my day job, into the Prototype Fund, and
~ Doing the same with the earnings of online sales of my stuff.
~ Continue development of the *Stinky's Misadventures Game Series (For PC).
I'm not giving up on making the Game Cases.
Heck, for all I know, I could win the lotto at any time,
or I could start getting tons of orders from Christmas Shoppers,
or a large order of Sleeves from someone making homebrew HuCard-Based Games.
*Title subject to change.
I had planned to have a playable demo of it available today, but it was delayed, because I haven't been in the best of health for a while. It's not life-threatening, and is only temporary.
For those of you who don't know about my SMA Game Series, it will be divided into chapters, with roughly 60 hours of gameplay per chapter.
They'll be free to download, and a boxed version will also be available for about $20.
Merchandise based on the games will also be available for purchase, and there will also be a donation button for downloaders who don't want the boxed version, nor any merchandise.
ETA for completion of Chapter One is less than one year, but a playable demo should be available within 2 weeks.
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Sorry to hear about that, mate. :(
Well, just keep on keepin' on I guess!
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Aww dang, well here's hoping for good things in the future, I can wait ;)
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Not sure if this has been brought up before but what about a kickstarter? I'd pledge to get this off the ground
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I have to ask, Why did you start your amazing idea of cases for retro games with the TG-16?
I think if you could just get the NES ones off the ground that could be your cash cow to expand.
Also if your looking to make some cash developing a home brew game is likely to fail. Of course if you are just doing because you love to then that's a different story and all the power to you!!
Good luck and I hope to see some NES cases in the future. I guess it's back to hacking up UGCs for me ;D
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I guess it's back to hacking up UGCs for me ;D
I feel ya. I just did my 360th case yesterday. I have callouses on the tips of my index and middle fingers on my right hand from pushing the blade such that I can now pick up hot dogs out of the frying pan and not even feel the heat. ;D
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Not sure if this has been brought up before but what about a kickstarter? I'd pledge to get this off the ground
As soon as I can get some prototypes made, I'll shop around the CAD Files and prototypes to local Injection Molders, to get price quotes, then I'll start the Kickstarter campaign. 8)
IIRC, you pretty much have to have working prototypes Before Kickstarter will let ya run a campaign.
At least, that's what I got out of reading their new policies.
I have to ask, Why did you start your amazing idea of cases for retro games with the TG-16?
I think if you could just get the NES ones off the ground that could be your cash cow to expand.
Also if your looking to make some cash developing a home brew game is likely to fail. Of course if you are just doing because you love to then that's a different story and all the power to you!!
Good luck and I hope to see some NES cases in the future. I guess it's back to hacking up UGCs for me ;D
Well, the TG16 Sleeves and GBA Insert Trays didn't cost anywhere near as much as it does to do Injection Molding. :o
I'm planning to give away the Homebrew Game for free, for the most part.
I'll only make $ off of it, if it's entertaining enough to encourage people to either donate some $, or buy some merchandise based on the game's characters, (or they can order a boxed version; if they're really impressed) after they get a chance to play it in it's entirety. :P
I have a lot of stories within me, struggling to be told.
I've completed enough storyboards, the old fashioned way, to make roughly 11 games, and there are countless other works-in-progress on my shelves.
In other words, I have enough material to make a ton of games; I just need the time to program them.
It's often said, yet it still rings true; "There is not enough time in a single day, to accomplish all of the goals I set for myself."
But that won't keep me from trying. ;)
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Not sure if this has been brought up before but what about a kickstarter? I'd pledge to get this off the ground
As soon as I can get some prototypes made, I'll shop around the CAD Files and prototypes to local Injection Molders, to get price quotes, then I'll start the Kickstarter campaign. 8)
IIRC, you pretty much have to have working prototypes Before Kickstarter will let ya run a campaign.
At least, that's what I got out of reading their new policies.
This is true, as far as I know.
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I guess it's back to hacking up UGCs for me ;D
I feel ya. I just did my 360th case yesterday. I have callouses on the tips of my index and middle fingers on my right hand from pushing the blade such that I can now pick up hot dogs out of the frying pan and not even feel the heat. ;D
360?! You NEED a Dremel!
It's often said, yet it still rings true; "There is not enough time in a single day, to accomplish all of the goals I set for myself."
But that won't keep me from trying.
I wish I could get people to understand just how incredibly difficult it is to do EVERYTHING on your own when starting up a new business. People expect results in days, but don't understand that it can take many many months to get even the smallest things done, especially when you're already operating as a business AND trying to bring new products to market at the same time (not saying that anyone here is doing that.
With that said, I can't wait to see some of this stuff come to fruition :D
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360?! You NEED a Dremel!
I do have one, but clipping the plastic out of the cases isn't where I have to push the knife, it's when I take it and press it straight up against the UGC to clean off the jaggies. Many of my cases are completely smooth to the touch (even though they don't really need to be) and I've kinda got my method down at this point. Plus, I wouldn't want to use a dremel and get plastic dust all over the game room, since I modify the cases while I'm watching TV. ;)
Besides, I'm over halfway done! Think of what a bamf I'll be once I've done 676 of these by hand. The chicks'll never leave me alone! 8)
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Think of what a bamf I'll be once I've done 676 of these by hand. The chicks'll never leave me alone! 8)
No with those soft hands!
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I guess it's back to hacking up UGCs for me ;D
I feel ya. I just did my 360th case yesterday. I have callouses on the tips of my index and middle fingers on my right hand from pushing the blade such that I can now pick up hot dogs out of the frying pan and not even feel the heat. ;D
360 NES cases, ouch!
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Hey guys!
After I post this, I'm going to bed.
I need to catch up on my Sleep. @_@
I've been extremely busy these past few weeks, filling holiday orders, dealing with my Day Job,
and putting the finishing touches on the remodeling of my warehouse.
When I wake up on Monday, Jan 7'th, I'll start posting again.
The Prototyping Phase, for Mold Type A, will start on Monday, Jan 7'th!
Many thanks to all of you for Donating, and purchasing my existing products.
--Mold Type A-- Modular, Supports multiple Game Case Types.
[OGC-2600-7800] Atari 2600 & 7800 Games.
[OGC-5200-JAG] Atari 5200 & Atari Jaguar (Cartridge-Based) Games.
[OGC-Inte-Cole] Intellivision & Colecovision Games.
This one might be divided onto two or more case types.
I'm gong to need some help gathering all the necessary variations of carts for this Game Case Types.
Further Details will be posted on Monday.
[OGC-NES-SGB] 8-Bit NES (USA Style) Games & Super Gameboy Cart.
[OGC-FAM-CASE] 8-Bit Famicom (Japanese Style, Cartridge-Based) Games.
[OGC-SNES-SFC] Super Nintendo Games, SNES Game Genie, & Super Famicom Games.
[OGC-N64G-CASE] Nintendo 64 Game & n64 Controller Pack (Memory Card).
[OGC-GOLD-CASE-_____ ] Gold-Colored Game Cases for NES, Famicom, SNES, SFC &N64 Games.
[OGC-32X-SMS] Sega Master System Cart-Based Games & Sega 32X Cart-Based Games.
[OGC-EA-GEN] Sega Genesis Standard Cart-Based Games & the Tall Sega Genesis Cart Based Games made by Electronics Arts.
[OGC-GGG-S&K] Genesis Game Genie Cart & the special Sonic & Knuckles Lock-On Cart.
[OGC-SNK-NG1] Neo-Geo Carts.
This one might have to wait until I start making Replacement Cart Shells for Neo-Geo Games.
--Notes--
After selling about 50 Thousand of the above game cases, I will have the $ to purchase more molds.
Since the above Game Case Types will use the same Master Mold, that has modular pieces, it's 50k altogether, not 50k of each type. ~_^
Here is the groupings of the other Mold Types for the other Game Cases:
--Mold Type B-- Handheld, Approx the same outer dimensions as a USA nDS Game Case.
[OGC-GB-WS-LY] Standard Size Game Boy, Game Boy DX, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance,
Wonder Swan, WonderSwan Color, and Atari LYNX Games.
[OGC-GBC-RUMBLE] Gameboy Color Games with Rumble & the Tall Robopon (Sun Version) Cart.
[OGC-GB-CHEAT] Support for Wario Ware:Twisted and a wide variety of Cheat Devices for GB, GBC & GBA.
[OGC-VB-NGPC] Virtual Boy & NeoGeo Color Game Carts.
[OGC-SGG-001] Sega Game Gear Carts.
The Sega Game Gear Cases might need their own mold.
It depends on whether or not I opt to increase the height of all of the Type B Cases.
Also, I might increase the thickness of the Thickness of the Type B Cases, so I can consolidate more types of Carts (Rumble, Cheat, & so on) into fewer Case Types.
In other words, the designs for Mold Type B aren't finalized yet.
--Mold Type C-- (CD-Case Style)
[OGC-HuCard-Tray] HuCard & SegaCard Game Case Trays.
--Mold Type D-- (DVD-Case Style)
[OGC-MyCard-Case] Sega Card & HuCard Game Cases.
[OGC-PSX-004] Supports up to 4 Game Disks for PS1 & PS2 Games. Can also pop in up to two PS1 or PS2 Memory Cards in each case.
[OGC-PSX-008] Supports up to 8 Game Disks for PS1 & PS2 Games. Can also pop in up to two PS1 or PS2 Memory Cards in each case.
--Mold Type E-- (Tall DVD Case Style)
[OGC-SAT-DVD] Extra-Tall DVD-Style Cases for Sega CD, Saturn & 32X CD-Based Games.
Each case will support up to 4 Game CDs, as well as all of the Manual Sizes.
--Mold Types F & G--
[OGC-SAT-OEM] These will be replicas of the fragile, Tall, American Game Cases for Sega CD, Saturn & 32X CD-Based Games.
The Center Hub will support up to 4 Game CDs.
Molds for Gaming Accessory Cases, Cart Shells, Console Shells, Controller Adapters & Ext Cords,
Game Region Converters, System Travel Cases, A/V Cables, RGB/Component Adapters,
Power Cords & AC Adapters, and Replacement Parts, will be made after all of the above Game Cases are available.
Availability of these items are dependent on the sales of the Game Cases.
Edited to change 78000 to 7800
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Hey guys!
After I post this, I'm going to bed.
I need to catch up on my Sleep. @_@
I've been extremely busy these past few weeks, filling holiday orders, dealing with my Day Job,
and putting the finishing touches on the remodeling of my warehouse.
When I wake up on Monday, Jan 7'th, I'll start posting again.
The Prototyping Phase, for Mold Type A, will start on Monday, Jan 7'th!
Many thanks to all of you for Donating, and purchasing my existing products.
--Mold Type A-- Modular, Supports multiple Game Case Types.
[OGC-2600-78000] Atari 2600 & 7800 Games.
[OGC-5200-JAG] Atari 5200 & Atari Jaguar (Cartridge-Based) Games.
[OGC-Inte-Cole] Intellivision & Colecovision Games.
This one might be divided onto two or more case types.
I'm gong to need some help gathering all the necessary variations of carts for this Game Case Types.
Further Details will be posted on Monday.
[OGC-NES-SGB] 8-Bit NES (USA Style) Games & Super Gameboy Cart.
[OGC-FAM-CASE] 8-Bit Famicom (Japanese Style, Cartridge-Based) Games.
[OGC-SNES-SFC] Super Nintendo Games, SNES Game Genie, & Super Famicom Games.
[OGC-N64G-CASE] Nintendo 64 Game & n64 Controller Pack (Memory Card).
[OGC-GOLD-CASE-_____ ] Gold-Colored Game Cases for NES, Famicom, SNES, SFC &N64 Games.
[OGC-32X-SMS] Sega Master System Cart-Based Games & Sega 32X Cart-Based Games.
[OGC-EA-GEN] Sega Genesis Standard Cart-Based Games & the Tall Sega Genesis Cart Based Games made by Electronics Arts.
[OGC-GGG-S&K] Genesis Game Genie Cart & the special Sonic & Knuckles Lock-On Cart.
[OGC-SNK-NG1] Neo-Geo Carts.
This one might have to wait until I start making Replacement Cart Shells for Neo-Geo Games.
--Notes--
After selling about 50 Thousand of the above game cases, I will have the $ to purchase more molds.
Since the above Game Case Types will use the same Master Mold, that has modular pieces, it's 50k altogether, not 50k of each type. ~_^
Here is the groupings of the other Mold Types for the other Game Cases:
--Mold Type B-- Handheld, Approx the same outer dimensions as a USA nDS Game Case.
[OGC-GB-WS-LY] Standard Size Game Boy, Game Boy DX, Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance,
Wonder Swan, WonderSwan Color, and Atari LYNX Games.
[OGC-GBC-RUMBLE] Gameboy Color Games with Rumble & the Tall Robopon (Sun Version) Cart.
[OGC-GB-CHEAT] Support for Wario Ware:Twisted and a wide variety of Cheat Devices for GB, GBC & GBA.
[OGC-VB-NGPC] Virtual Boy & NeoGeo Color Game Carts.
[OGC-SGG-001] Sega Game Gear Carts.
The Sega Game Gear Cases might need their own mold.
It depends on whether or not I opt to increase the height of all of the Type B Cases.
Also, I might increase the thickness of the Thickness of the Type B Cases, so I can consolidate more types of Carts (Rumble, Cheat, & so on) into fewer Case Types.
In other words, the designs for Mold Type B aren't finalized yet.
--Mold Type C-- (CD-Case Style)
[OGC-HuCard-Tray] HuCard & SegaCard Game Case Trays.
--Mold Type D-- (DVD-Case Style)
[OGC-MyCard-Case] Sega Card & HuCard Game Cases.
[OGC-PSX-004] Supports up to 4 Game Disks for PS1 & PS2 Games. Can also pop in up to two PS1 or PS2 Memory Cards in each case.
[OGC-PSX-008] Supports up to 8 Game Disks for PS1 & PS2 Games. Can also pop in up to two PS1 or PS2 Memory Cards in each case.
--Mold Type E-- (Tall DVD Case Style)
[OGC-SAT-DVD] Extra-Tall DVD-Style Cases for Sega CD, Saturn & 32X CD-Based Games.
Each case will support up to 4 Game CDs, as well as all of the Manual Sizes.
--Mold Types F & G--
[OGC-SAT-OEM] These will be replicas of the fragile, Tall, American Game Cases for Sega CD, Saturn & 32X CD-Based Games.
The Center Hub will support up to 4 Game CDs.
Molds for Gaming Accessory Cases, Cart Shells, Console Shells, Controller Adapters & Ext Cords,
Game Region Converters, System Travel Cases, A/V Cables, RGB/Component Adapters,
Power Cords & AC Adapters, and Replacement Parts, will be made after all of the above Game Cases are available.
Availability of these items are dependent on the sales of the Game Cases.
This is super special awesome news, looks like 2013 is going to be a great year! ;)
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Good news.
I'm now seriously considering on replacing all my cases + buying some extras.
At least for type A cases (and E also)
Gonna be expensive :(
[OGC-NES-SGB] *800+
[OGC-FAM-CASE] * 200+
[OGC-SNES-SFC] 1000+
And then I also need more shelves as current will accomodate 1000 or so.
Which leads me needing bigger room, for which I don't have room.
I quess I'l have to build myself new house first.
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Good news.
I'm now seriously considering on replacing all my cases + buying some extras.
At least for type A cases (and E also)
Gonna be expensive :(
[OGC-NES-SGB] *800+
[OGC-FAM-CASE] * 200+
[OGC-SNES-SFC] 1000+
And then I also need more shelves as current will accomodate 1000 or so.
Which leads me needing bigger room, for which I don't have room.
I quess I'l have to build myself new house first.
you could probably build a house out of your discarded cases! ;D
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Sounds really interesting now onion as this takes on more of a form.
What were the outside dimensions again of your cases? UGC compatible?
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great to hear!
I got new shelves so I have room to case up my NES games.
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If they're the same quality as mediashelfing's cases, fit UGC art, & fit NES cases without any modding, this could be a dream come true.
Any ETA on when these NES cases might go for sale?
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As long as the covers work with UGCs, I may have to invest in some NES and Famicom ones.
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If they're the same quality as mediashelfing's cases, fit UGC art, & fit NES cases without any modding, this could be a dream come true.
Any ETA on when these NES cases might go for sale?
They'll be better. ;D
Will support Manuals & Have tabs to hold em in the case, like the ones in PS2 Game Cases.
The cartridge area will also have tabs to hold carts in place, similar to the ones in Genesis Cases (only, mine won't have sharp edges, or break off easily).
The outer case walls will overlap, like Genesis Game cases, preventing pinching of manuals.
They will all be custom designed from the get-go to support the games listed without requiring you all to do any modding to the cases.
*You might need to mod one or two of the Colecovision/Intelivision cases to support a double-ender.
I haven't finalized those case designs yet.
If it will require a mod, I'll make sure the tabs you have to remove are small, few, and easy to get to with some clippers and/or a dremel.
If a double-ender is too tall to fit in a standard UGC, I'll just make a custom mold/case for it in the future.
The Prototyping Phase should be complete before this month ends.
I'll start a 30-Day Kickstarter Campaign in Feb.
After that, it will take up to 3 months to make the Type A Mold and Cases (Mar, Apr, May).
I'll have a more accurate time frame for the Mold Making, and Case Manufacturing Time, after the Prototyping Phase is complete.
Sounds really interesting now onion as this takes on more of a form.
What were the outside dimensions again of your cases? UGC compatible?
The Type A Cases will fully support existing UGC Art. ;)
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Are you going to price them around the same price as media shelving's cases?
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Are the cases going to be clear or black? I would love to still be able to use my inlays. Maybe red cases for Genesis and N64?
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Pricing: They will cost less than one dollar each.
The first run will be clear.
I was going to go with Black, but you guys have been making such fantastic inlays. 8)
Also, Clear Cases will be more appealing to walk-in Retro Gaming Retail stores. $_$
However, everyone who donates at least X dollars on Kickstarter will also receive the following Gold Cases, as a gift:
2 NES
2 Famicom
1 SNES/SFC
2 n64
I will only make enough Gold Cases, on the First Run, for Kickstarter Donators.
I'd also like to offer Kickstarter Donators the option to choose among several color options for the Type A Cases.
Black, White, Red, Blue, Green, Yellow.
I need more info from manufacturers before I can go into further detail on this.
I forgot to mention one case design.
It'll have the same thickness and width as my other Type A Cases, but will be as tall as my Sega CD/Saturn DVD Style & OEM Cases.
It will support Sega CD Back-Up RAM Carts & Saturn Back-Up RAM Carts & Saturn Action Replay/Game Shark Carts & Saturn Expansion carts.
If the Double-Ender carts for Coleco/Intelli are too tall to fit in a standard UGC, then I'd add support for them in this case.
It's still in development, and will be released when I start making the Sega CD/Saturn Cases.
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i may have to get these instead of getting the UGCs for my 200+ NES games.. that's a lot of modding!! :-\
i'm excited about the Game Gear cases, too!!
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Sounds great, Seymor! Would you offer bulk discounts at certain quantities? If I decide to switch over to Onion cases, I'll be switching over ALL of my games to Onion cases, which means I'll need 500+ of the NES ones. Also, will the same case type accommodate both standard-sized and large (e.g. Dragon Warrior III) manuals?
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Sounds great, Seymor! Would you offer bulk discounts at certain quantities? If I decide to switch over to Onion cases, I'll be switching
over ALL of my games to Onion cases, which means I'll need 500+ of the NES ones. Also, will the same case type accommodate both standard-
sized and large (e.g. Dragon Warrior III) manuals?
Yup, I'll offer bulk discounts.
Manual Support, Short Answer:
The NES Cases will have 2 manual tabs, and come with Removable Inserts.
Manual Support, Long Answer:
Any game type that has more than 1 Manual Size (Such as NES), or are known to include folded maps or posters (Like FFIII for SNES) will either come with:
2 Manual Tabs and a removable insert,
or have more than 2 Manual Tabs,
or will have just 2 tabs that are strategically placed so as to support all manual sizes.
The Removable Insert will be about the same Height and Width, as the largest manual size, that the case supports.
It will have a pocket of sorts, centered, so that you can place smaller manuals, and maps, and key-overlays, and such, inside of them.
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This is really great news! Makes me really glad that I held off on buying either UGCs or 27mm DVD cases. :D I'll definitely pitch in on that kickstarter - I'd love to have a pair of gold N64 cases for my Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask collector's editions. My N64 collection is getting unruly at this point, so I'll be grabbing at least 100 of those, if not more. 8)
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This is pretty exciting! I'll definitely throw some bucks down on the kickstarter :D
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Hey, guys!
I'm putting the finishing touches on my Game Case Designs,
Pouring over previous posts in this thread,
Gathering together all of my Notes,
and hunting down any variant I'm missing, for the Type A Mold.
If you have any more Tips, Questions, or Suggestions, now's the time to post them!
I started a number of Threads, about the specific Cart Types I'm going to be working with:
ColecoVision & IntelliVision/IntelliVoice
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=11874.0
Atari 5200
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=11870.0
Atari 2600
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=11869.0
Atari 7800 & Jaguar
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=11871.0
Nintendo Carts
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=11876.0
Sega Carts
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=11875.0
Those threads contain Photographs and Specs of most of the Carts and Manuals
that I'll be using to design and test my New Game Cases.
I am still missing some Carts and Manuals; any additional help ya'll could provide is greatly appreciated.
As soon as I gather all of the necessary info and items, I'll finalize my designs, and meet with the Prototypers.
It should only take about a week or two to finish all the prep work, before I meet with them.
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With the price hike on the UGCs, I'm thinking people are going to want these even more. I can't believe they would raise the price like this.
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Price Hike? ???
Edit: Ah, found the thread about it.
Man, I wonder what they're thinking?
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Yep.
Went from $42 to $59 for 100.
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...Man, I wonder what they're thinking?
"whats this?, the cover project?...blah...blah...blah...UGC's?!
MWAH HA HA HA!
(dollar signs flash before eyes)"
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...Man, I wonder what they're thinking?
"whats this?, the cover project?...blah...blah...blah...UGC's?!
MWAH HA HA HA!
(dollar signs flash before eyes)"
($)_($)
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Price Hike? ???
Edit: Ah, found the thread about it.
Man, I wonder what they're thinking?
We need you now more than ever, mate! Can't wait for that Kickstarter to start up!
(http://genophoria.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg)
My only problem will be getting what to do with my existing UGCs once your cases come out, since I have so many of them. I'd hate to just pitch 'em, but I'm sure I can find people on ebay who would take them. Those people will buy ANYthing. ;D
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Its more like this
"So many nerds are buying these....things"
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Since I can't find your topic relating to your GB/GBC/GBA cases, I'll ask here.
Are you planning to have those cases be DS width, 3DS width or something else? Recently we discovered that GB, GBC and GBA games (including manuals) as well as Game Gear and NGPC all fit perfectly in 3DS cases (plus anything else that isn't thicker than any of those).
(http://imageshack.us/a/img545/1247/dsc03196f.jpg)
If you offered cases with 3DS thickness, but with tabs for those carts, that would be ideal I think, since they would take up the least amount of space for those of us that have a ton of handheld games. Or maybe you could have both options? Just throwing that out there.
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I was hoping he would make cases that are square so the art can be the original retail size.
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Price Hike? ???
Edit: Ah, found the thread about it.
Man, I wonder what they're thinking?
We need you now more than ever, mate! Can't wait for that Kickstarter to start up!
(http://genophoria.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg)
My only problem will be getting what to do with my existing UGCs once your cases come out, since I have so many of them. I'd hate to just pitch 'em, but I'm sure I can find people on ebay who would take them. Those people will buy ANYthing. ;D
I'll prolly take em. I wanna use the Onion cases for NES games, but I really don't wanna switch over hundreds of cases for everything else :(
These cases are the reason I'm waiting to start on the NES collection again ;)
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I'll make separate threads, for my other game case types, just before I start making them.
Until then, feel free to ask about em in this main thread. ;)
I don't own any of the pictured 3DS Cases yet, but will try and get one.
For the Handheld Game Cases, they'll all be roughly the same dimensions as a DS Case.
However:
The Game Gear Case will need to be taller, so it can support Game Gear Manuals.
Some of the other Handheld Cases will be thicker, so the thicker games (with Rumble or a Gyro or a Camera and so on) and Cheat Devices, can fit inside of them.
I haven't finalized any of their designs just yet, but I have already made some preliminary designs on paper.
I like the idea of making them roughly the same dimensions (or, at least, the same aspect ratio) as the original packaging they came in,
to make it easier for you guys to convert box art into inserts. :)
Out of curiosity, would you guys like a case for the eReader that lets you store all of the ScanCards in with it,
or would you prefer a separate case for the eReader, and separate cases for each pack/collection of ScanCards?
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Any chance of making smaller cases than the UGCs? Space is such an issue and I hate to tie up the space of a UGC for Atari, INTV, Genesis, etc.
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Any chance of making smaller cases than the UGCs? Space is such an issue and I hate to tie up the space of a UGC for Atari, INTV, Genesis, etc.
http://www.videogameboxprotectors.com/ has some small clear plastic boxes for NES and SNES Carts.
Unfortunately, that's the only two types they make for Cart Only, the others they have are for boxed games.
You might want to ask him if he has any plans to make Cart Only Boxes for other systems.
The costs of Tooling, for cutting shapes out of the thin plastic that he uses to make boxes, is far lower than the costs of Injection Molds,
so the odds might be good for him to expand his product lineup into those areas, if he gets enough requests.
For the short term, you may be able to find some Ziplock-Style bags (Relock Bags) that are just big enough to put a game cart into, from an online store.
I currently have no plans to make Game Cases without Manual Support.
Your post reminds me of something I forgot to mention, though...
I made a statement, last year, that my Game Cases wouldn't support the Dust Covers for American NES or SNES Games.
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Carts/Dust_Covers.jpg)
However, that may change.
NES
I think it can be accomplished by simply increasing the Cart Area a bit in the NES/SGB Case, and having two sets of locking tabs.
One set of locking tabs would need to be removed so a Sleeved NES Game can fit.
I'll make sure you all can get at them easily with cutting tools (like that weird nail-clipper thing that pops up on these forums from time to time).
You'd just have to cut the top off of them, where the bubble thing extends outward, towards the NES Cart.
The second set of locking tabs would be a bit taller, and further apart, to hold the sleeved NES game in place.
The second set could just be ignored by people who don't have sleeved NES Games, or are using the case with an American Super Gameboy.
SNES
I'll need to remove part of the side walls in the SNES/SFC Case, to account for the added width near the bottom of the cart,
and make a depression in the case, to account for the added thickness of the dust cover.
My current setup for the SNES Cart Locking Tabs don't come into contact with the area that the dust cover occupies, so they won't need to be removed or repositioned.
I may need to increase the thickness of the case, that is directly under the SNES/SFC Cart Area, so the depression for the Dust cover doesn't wind up being a large rectangular hole in the case. :o
This is one of those things that need to be worked out with the Prototypers.
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Ya, I prefer to have my games have the sleeves/dust protectors on them myself.
And like Wiggy mentioned. I'm waiting to see how your NES cases are before I start casing them.
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Ya, I prefer to have my games have the sleeves/dust protectors on them myself.
And like Wiggy mentioned. I'm waiting to see how your NES cases are before I start casing them.
Ditto on dust cover support.
I'm about 300 UGC's into my collection and with the price increase I'll be waiting to see what the onion cases are like before buying more.
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Out of curiosity, would you guys like a case for the eReader that lets you store all of the ScanCards in with it,
or would you prefer a separate case for the eReader, and separate cases for each pack/collection of ScanCards?
Probably separate, since there are several different eReader card sets, and people have made covers for those sets, so they must enjoy making them separately. Actually a case design with an insert to hold just cards isn't a bad idea down the road, since there are eReader card series, plus now 3DS AR cards and Kid Icarus Uprising AR cards and who knows what else in the future, not to mention any other card-based games there might be that I'm not aware of (was there something for PS3 showed at E3 the year they announced the system?).
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Ya, I prefer to have my games have the sleeves/dust protectors on them myself.
Same here.
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wow they did go up in price now they are $59 bucks for $100... still cheaper than Shockboxes.
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Man, these cases can't get here soon enough! I'm tempted to take all my existing cased games and sell off the cases so I won't have to do it later after Seymor's cases arrive, but I'd be awful sore if something happened and his cases never came to pass.
How's that prototype phase going, Seymor? Ready for that Kickstarter yet? ;D
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wow they did go up in price now they are $59 bucks for $100... still cheaper than Shockboxes.
Speaking of shockboxes, any plans to make shockboxes mr. onion?
For those not familiar, shockboxes are the huge cases people put neo geo arcade cartridges in & print their own art for, since collecting home carts for the neo geo is akin to faberge egg collecting.
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The prototyping phase is going good, except for a few minor issues...
I've nearly completed all of the 2D (Line Art) representations of my case designs,
but I'm waiting to get a RetroPort Cart (Converter to play NES games on a SNES) that I had ordered online from a dude in California,
and a Japanese SuperGameboy Cart, that I had ordered online from a dude in from Japan.
They should both arrive on, or shortly after, Tuesday, Jan 22'nd.
Once I have em, I can make the final revisions, if any are needed, to the NES/SGB case and the SNES/SFC Case.
The First Version of the Famicom Game Case will require modification by the end user, if they want to use it with taller-than-normal Famicom Carts.
That case will also support an American NES Game Genie, if you remove the black plastic strap, and make some minor modifications to the case.
Sonic & Knuckles Lock-On Genesis Cart is also supported, with minor modifications by the end user.
You'll just have to remove a few small tabs, to get the three aforementioned cart types to fit.
I made sure those tabs are small, so you can just use that cutting tool that looks like a big pair of fingernail clippers.
This particular case will also support the following cart types, without any modification:
Famicom Standard Height Carts.
American Sega Master System Carts.
American Standard Height Genesis Carts.
Japanese Standard Size Mega Drive Carts.
And now for the bad news...
The Standard Manual Size for Atari 2600, 5200, 7800, ColecoVision and Intellivision games
is way too big to fit in my first run of Game Cases.
The First Run Game Cases are being designed to be 100% compatible with the UGC-Size Inserts hosted here.
So, I need to wait on these cases, until I've launched all of the UGC-Compatible Cases. :'(
I'm also going to hold back on the Saturn Cart Cases until I start making the Saturn CD Cases, so both will be the same height, and look nicer on your shelves.
The Tall Saturn Cart Cases will also support standard size Genesis & MegaDrive carts, so you can have a nice tall Case to put your BackUp Ram Carts for Sega CD.
wow they did go up in price now they are $59 bucks for $100... still cheaper than Shockboxes.
Speaking of shockboxes, any plans to make shockboxes mr. onion?
For those not familiar, shockboxes are the huge cases people put neo geo arcade cartridges in & print their own art for, since collecting home carts for the neo geo is akin to faberge egg collecting.
I would like to make a case (or Cases) that's compatible with both AES and MVS NeoGeo Carts.
I'd also like to add Manual Support, and will try to make sure that they fully support the existing Exterior Artwork Inserts for BigBear's Cases.
However, before I decide whether or not to start development of the NeoGeo Game Cases, I want to consult with BigBear, since he is the creator of them.
Until then, you guys can still buy his cases online, as he is still making and selling em.
Even so, I'd like to release all of my other Game Case Designs before then,
especially since many of them just simply aren't available from anywhere,
such as the NES/SGB Game Case,
TurboGrafix HuCard Cases and Trays, (I've been getting tons of requests for these, since I started making the Sleeves)
the Sega CD/Saturn Tall Cases,
and the Handheld System's Game Cases.
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You should make some cases with no tabs for various accessories that are never getting cases, I got a PS2/ GC/ Xbox to USB converter, and I may want to case up the 3-5 8-Track Tapes I got.
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Some of my Game Accessory Cases will have removable foam in them, instead of tabs.
They'll be really easy to mod for anything else that might fit in them. ;)
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Quick Update:
The Tracking Data, for the order from California, says that the RetroPort is "Out for Delivery" today,
so I should be able to finalize the SNES/SFC Case design tonight. :)
The tracking for the Japanese Super GameBoy says it just arrived in North Houston.
It should get to me sometime tomorrow.
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My last order of UCG came with 28 of 100 damaged items so i had to hold back on cutting the tabs to do my NES carts. Im definitely going to wait till you offer the NES ones and buy them from you and just save the extra UCG's for new additions to the other collections.
Very exciting indeed!
Keep up the good work Seymour!
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Ugh....28 out of 100 damaged? :( Was that with or without the extra 3 buck packing box they offer?
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Wow. I was lucky only to have 3 of my 100 damaged. I use them to hold hard drives I have lying around. ;D
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I'm sure this has been asked, but any estimate on when the kickstarter is going to be? Things are kinda tight for me right now, be nice to know when I should start squirreling away some cash =P
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I'm aiming for a start Day of Mon, Feb 4'th, but it might be delayed until Mon, Feb 11'th.
I'd only need the extra week if any issues crop up during the Prototyping Phase.
It'll run for 30 Days.
The damage to your UGCs; was it limited to the clear, soft, outer jacket sheet,
or were some of the hard plastic parts chipped, cracked, or otherwise broken?
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I'm aiming for a start Day of Mon, Feb 4'th, but it might be delayed until Mon, Feb 11'th.
I'd only need the extra week if any issues crop up during the Prototyping Phase.
It'll run for 30 Days.
(http://cdn.styleforum.net/b/b9/b9b911a2_2005849-fe2dc_ORIG-my_body_is_ready.jpeg)
As for damages, speaking personally, I've had cases that had some of the hard plastic edges snapped off, and I've also had some where the sleeve portion has been torn a bit/wrinkled on the spine near the bottom. I got two boxes in a few months back and the first one seems to be okay - I've yet to find any damaged ones. Haven't opened the second box yet (and if these Onion cases are on the horizon I probably won't. ;)
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I'm curious also about the kickstarter. Perhaps a little more detail on how that would go down? I'm dying to case my NES, N64, and SNES carts soon and would love gold cases for my link to the past, and nes zeldas when I get them.
I know it's a random idea, but any chance of there being a pokemon stadium case that could hold 2 transfer paks and the game? I'm not too crazy on modding 3 cases together... seems like too much of a hassle in my opinion.
I'd also love to see some gameboy / gameboy color cases come out in DS size. It seems that all the DS cases I get are flimsy and tend to snap.
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I'm curious also about the kickstarter. Perhaps a little more detail on how that would go down? I'm dying to case my NES, N64, and SNES carts soon and would love gold cases for my link to the past, and nes zeldas when I get them.
I know it's a random idea, but any chance of there being a pokemon stadium case that could hold 2 transfer paks and the game? I'm not too crazy on modding 3 cases together... seems like too much of a hassle in my opinion.
I'd also love to see some gameboy / gameboy color cases come out in DS size. It seems that all the DS cases I get are flimsy and tend to snap.
For X amount of donation, you'll get X number of Gold Game Cases. Probably 5.
Color Substitutions (Solid Gold, Transparent Gold, Black, Clear) will be allowed.
Case-Cart-Type Substitutions NES, SNES (USA/CAN/MEX), SFC/SNES (JP/EU), and N64 will also be allowed.
Although, it would be best to stick with the Gold Cases (Clear or Solid), because you all could resell extras on eBay for a premium, since that color option will be a limited run, for at least one year.
I have no plans to make a Specialty Case for Pokemon Stadium, at least, not until I get all of the other standard cases made.
Ya might want to ask wiggy if he can hook you up with a pre-modded case for some $, if you don't want to make one yourself.
My GameBoy, GameBoy Color and GameBoy Advance Game Cases will have the same outer dimensions as a nDS Game Case,
except for the thicker cases for games with Rumble, motion sensors, or the Cheat Device Cases.
Those will be a bit thicker, but have standard Height and Width.
By the way, what is the height of the most common size of European SNES Game Manuals?
Is it less than 168 millimeters?
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By the way, what is the height of the most common size of European SNES Game Manuals?
Is it less than 168 millimeters?
i just measured a few - range between 171 - 173 mm (same as eu N64 manuals)
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By the way, what is the height of the most common size of European SNES Game Manuals?
Is it less than 168 millimeters?
i just measured a few - range between 171 - 173 mm (same as eu N64 manuals)
Sweet!
They'll fit just fine, then, and I don't need to make any more changes for that case design. ;)
Just wanted to make sure before I finalized the SFC (J)/SNES (EU) Case Design.
I'm running a bit late with my case designs (Life Happens, so they say) but I should have the second-to-last case design (n64 Cart & Controller Pak) finalized today.
It will support all 3 heights of Controller Paks that were posted in the other thread.
I should also be able to finalize the last case design today (NES).
It depends on when the FedEx Guy's gonna get here with some plastic sheet samples.
Dude's slated to come out today, but they're not giving me a specific time for when to expect em'.
I need to do some experiments with the plastic sheets, so I can pick the best one for the Small Manual Hatch/door.
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OOOOH MAN. My body is ready too...
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I'm curious also about the kickstarter. Perhaps a little more detail on how that would go down? I'm dying to case my NES, N64, and SNES carts soon and would love gold cases for my link to the past, and nes zeldas when I get them.
I know it's a random idea, but any chance of there being a pokemon stadium case that could hold 2 transfer paks and the game? I'm not too crazy on modding 3 cases together... seems like too much of a hassle in my opinion.
I'd also love to see some gameboy / gameboy color cases come out in DS size. It seems that all the DS cases I get are flimsy and tend to snap.
For X amount of donation, you'll get X number of Gold Game Cases. Probably 5.
Color Substitutions (Solid Gold, Transparent Gold, Black, Clear) will be allowed.
Case-Cart-Type Substitutions NES, SNES (USA/CAN/MEX), SFC/SNES (JP/EU), and N64 will also be allowed.
Although, it would be best to stick with the Gold Cases (Clear or Solid), because you all could resell extras on eBay for a premium, since that color option will be a limited run, for at least one year.
I have no plans to make a Specialty Case for Pokemon Stadium, at least, not until I get all of the other standard cases made.
Ya might want to ask wiggy if he can hook you up with a pre-modded case for some $, if you don't want to make one yourself.
My GameBoy, GameBoy Color and GameBoy Advance Game Cases will have the same outer dimensions as a nDS Game Case,
except for the thicker cases for games with Rumble, motion sensors, or the Cheat Device Cases.
Those will be a bit thicker, but have standard Height and Width.
By the way, what is the height of the most common size of European SNES Game Manuals?
Is it less than 168 millimeters?
Yeah pokemon stadium was a longshot haha. Awaiting prototypes!
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I can haz do that for ya ;D
♫ Which one of these is not like the other... ♫
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/2A04F077-094D-408B-9981-FDF211194805-1725-0000010F6D63F901.jpg)
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Starfox 64... Its label is slightly lower than the rest.
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pokemon snap?
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Starfox 64... Its label is slightly lower than the rest.
It's too much of a pain in the arse it is to try and keep every cover lined up perfectly. They shift a bit every time I open one, so I don't even try.
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I can haz do that for ya ;D
♫ Which one of these is not like the other... ♫
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k99/wiggyx/2A04F077-094D-408B-9981-FDF211194805-1725-0000010F6D63F901.jpg)
How'd you make that case?
What does the Pokemon Stadium case look like on the inside? Curious.
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Hello Mr. Onion :)
Just a note on your NES cases. Do you have a price point yet? (say for a case of 100). Also, the manufacture that owns the mold for the UGC case is releasing a NES version of that case in the fall.
Also, is anyone interested in a foam insert for the UGC case that would allow you to place GameBoy,Gameboy Color, Game Gear and Game Boy Advance carts securly in the case? I have priced these to use in my retail store since i really hate those cheapy DS knock off cases. If there is interest then i would be willing to fund a project to make them.
I'm new hear and this was my first post. I have been using the artwork here for about six months for my retail store as it looks much nicer to display carts in these cases then just placing them on the shelf.
Tom
Video Game Trader
www.videogametrader.com
www.vgtradermag.com
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Hello Mr. Onion :)
Just a note on your NES cases. Do you have a price point yet? (say for a case of 100). Also, the manufacture that owns the mold for the UGC case is releasing a NES version of that case in the fall.
Also, is anyone interested in a foam insert for the UGC case that would allow you to place GameBoy,Gameboy Color, Game Gear and Game Boy Advance carts securly in the case? I have priced these to use in my retail store since i really hate those cheapy DS knock off cases. If there is interest then i would be willing to fund a project to make them.
I'm new hear and this was my first post. I have been using the artwork here for about six months for my retail store as it looks much nicer to display carts in these cases then just placing them on the shelf.
Curious, do you sell the cases with the games? A store near me sells CD based games in cases from here.
If you want, OEM 3DS cases hold games with no modification, I started a topic here wit ha new template and a bunch of covers made. You can only buy 30 at a time from Nintendo, but they also hold manuals.
I would like inserts to hold Game Gear games as well, until cases get made. cut foam should not be too expensive.
Seymor also plans on making DS sized cases for handheld games.
Also, Seymor, I'm should be sending you a ruff draft of some mock-up box art for use in product images. I got some more character designs almost finalized.
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Just a note on your NES cases. Do you have a price point yet? (say for a case of 100). Also, the manufacture that owns the mold for the UGC case is releasing a NES version of that case in the fall.
If Seymour is using a higher quality plastic for the insert sleeve then I definitely know where i'll be buying my cases from...
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Hello Mr. Onion :)
Just a note on your NES cases. Do you have a price point yet? (say for a case of 100). Also, the manufacture that owns the mold for the UGC case is releasing a NES version of that case in the fall.
Also, is anyone interested in a foam insert for the UGC case that would allow you to place GameBoy,Gameboy Color, Game Gear and Game Boy Advance carts securly in the case? I have priced these to use in my retail store since i really hate those cheapy DS knock off cases. If there is interest then i would be willing to fund a project to make them.
I'm new hear and this was my first post. I have been using the artwork here for about six months for my retail store as it looks much nicer to display carts in these cases then just placing them on the shelf.
Curious, do you sell the cases with the games? A store near me sells CD based games in cases from here.
If you want, OEM 3DS cases hold games with no modification, I started a topic here wit ha new template and a bunch of covers made. You can only buy 30 at a time from Nintendo, but they also hold manuals.
I would like inserts to hold Game Gear games as well, until cases get made. cut foam should not be too expensive.
Seymor also plans on making DS sized cases for handheld games.
Also, Seymor, I'm should be sending you a ruff draft of some mock-up box art for use in product images. I got some more character designs almost finalized.
We do offer the cases to our customers. We sell the case and artwork for $4.99 with or without purchase of the game. Since we print using our color laser and we user a heavy gloss stock, i think $4.99 is reasonable.
The 3DS cases don't hold GBA games though. That is what i really need.
I want to get the foam inserts for the UGC cases but even if i buy by the 100s the costs is about $1.00 each. If enough people wanted some i would try and get more and just wholesale them out at cost, since i would be benefiting from the lower cost per piece. I think i need to order about 1000 of them to be a more affordable price. I was thinking of buying and just selling them on ebay but don't want to be stuck with them.
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Just a note on your NES cases. Do you have a price point yet? (say for a case of 100). Also, the manufacture that owns the mold for the UGC case is releasing a NES version of that case in the fall.
If Seymour is using a higher quality plastic for the insert sleeve then I definitely know where i'll be buying my cases from...
+1. That, and Seymor's are going to have a spot to hold the manual (not sure if he's decided on clips or a sleeve yet). This is a deal breaker for me since I'm a CI collector.
Interesting that they're going to start an NES mold, though. Wonder what prompted that?
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Hello Mr. Onion :)
Just a note on your NES cases. Do you have a price point yet? (say for a case of 100). Also, the manufacture that owns the mold for the UGC case is releasing a NES version of that case in the fall.
Also, is anyone interested in a foam insert for the UGC case that would allow you to place GameBoy,Gameboy Color, Game Gear and Game Boy Advance carts securly in the case? I have priced these to use in my retail store since i really hate those cheapy DS knock off cases. If there is interest then i would be willing to fund a project to make them.
I'm new hear and this was my first post. I have been using the artwork here for about six months for my retail store as it looks much nicer to display carts in these cases then just placing them on the shelf.
Tom
Video Game Trader
www.videogametrader.com
www.vgtradermag.com
I don't have a price point just yet, but will soon.
Earlier today I finally finished perfecting all of my game case designs for NES, Famicom, SNES, SFC, n64, Sega Master System, Genesis, Mega Drive, and Atari Jaguar.
I will start meeting with the prototypers on Monday, so we can start converting my 2D into 3D, make the prototypes, and get price quotes. 8)
Would you mind waiting a week or two before investing in Foam Inserts?
I should have my case designs fully tested within that timeframe, and will be able to give you accurate dimensions, and pricing, for them at that time.
I am also going to get pricing for the tooling, and/or mold fees, for a totally blank cart side version of my cases; it would be a lot easier for you to support more things with your foam inserts, and not have to deal with cutting any plastic.
As for my Cases for Game for Handheld Systems...
It is going to be at least a year before I can release them, so you don't have to worry about losing $ on your foam insert investment.
This is mainly because I don't have enough warehouse space, yet, to house a wide variety of game cases.
It will most likely take at least a year's worth of sales, of the aforementioned game cases in this post, to fund the construction of the larger warehouse.
I'll let you all know when that is happening, so there will be plenty of time (during construction) to sell off your stock of some of the foam designs.
What would be really nice is if you could also look into making foam inserts for Handheld Systems, as well as memory cards, controllers, and other such accessories.
Many people have expressed great interest in that, in this thread.
That way I could bear the brunt of the costs (injection molds for the cases themselves are in the 10's of thousands)
and you could focus on making specialized foam inserts.
Oh, and Wiggy; you might want to hold off on mass producing a lot of paperboard inserts, and buying a lot of UGCs, to double-up for your cool pre-mod w/backlight GBA Cases, until I finish my prototyping phase, because several of my Case Designs are thick enough to comfortably fit a GBA, and the positioning of some of the cart walls is such that you won't have to cut the case at all. ;)
WolfAlmighty;
Small NES Manuals will not come into contact with any Manual Clips.
I designed a special, protected and shielded area, under the cart area, for those.
The left side of my cases with all have manual clips, for large manuals.
However, they can be removed, without the aid of any power tools, if you would rather them not be there.
I planned ahead, and made sure that my cases will support a Soft Large Pocket on the Left, to be released at a later date, for those of you who don't want any pinching of your manuals to happen. At all.
About the Atari Jaguar Case...
As far as I can tell, NO ONE is currently making, or plans to make, Cart Shells for Homebrew Atari Jaguar Games.
If I am wrong, please let me know ASAP.
From what I've read, a while back some guys bought the rights to the Jaguar and made it an open system for homebrewers.
That's great and all, but it gets to be rather expensive, and time consuming, for homebrewers, to buy up a bunch of old games to cannibalize.
Since there wasn't many games made for the Jaguar, I plan to incorporate Jaguar Cart Shells into the same Mold as the Jaguar Game Case.
My hope is that in doing so, it will increase the marketability of my Jaguar Game Cases, since each one would have a nice empty Cart Shell, and a set of Screws, included with it.
Due to the large # of games released for other systems (unlike the Jaguar),
I'll need separate molds for each of their cart shells, as it wouldn't be a good idea to incorporate their cart shell design into the same molds as their game cases.
Empty Cart Shells for other systems are on my To Do List, but it is going to be a while for that.
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When you do make handheld game cases, you ought to make them the size of 3DS cases, but with slots for GBA, GB, GG, Lynx, or even Turbo Graphix 16 turbochips.
thats just my opinion...
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WolfAlmighty;
Small NES Manuals will not come into contact with any Manual Clips.
I designed a special, protected and shielded area, under the cart area, for those.
The left side of my cases with all have manual clips, for large manuals.
However, they can be removed, without the aid of any power tools, if you would rather them not be there.
I planned ahead, and made sure that my cases will support a Soft Large Pocket on the Left, to be released at a later date, for those of you who don't want any pinching of your manuals to happen. At all.
Sounds great! So happy that this is finally coming together for you, mate! Can't wait to have all my NES games (and manuals ;) ) tucked safely away in Onion cases!
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I am eager to try these as well, I hate my manuals getting bent.
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Over the course of last week (Feb 11 to 15) I had meetings with 17 different firms, that purport to do Injection Molding Plastics and/or Rapid Prototyping.
Over half of them want me to work with out-of-state CAD Designers (mostly in Colorado or California),
and the rest of them suggested that I outsource to India, China, Pakistan, or the Philippines.
This I will not do.
This past week I have been calling and e-mailing Texas-Based Firms that work in Housing, Building, Mechanical and Electrical Engineering, and/or are involved in the Oil Industry, as well as independent CAD Designers.
What's surprising is that every single one of them are more than happy to do the CAD Modeling for my Game Cases,
even though that is not what their companies primarily do.
I have several price quotes already, for the CAD Modeling.
Next week I'm set to meet with a few more of them.
Once I pick a CAD Modeler, I'll post his/her estimate for date of completion. ;)
I plan to make my choice on Wednesday, after the last meeting.
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Hope all goes well in the end as I reallyneed these cases.
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I am holding off on the foam inserts waiting for you :)
Take you time ;)
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CAD Designer... Chosen. ;)
ETA for completion of Hand-drawings to 3D-Models... TBA.
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What's your realistic estimate on the sega cases? I'm ready to drop the cash now.
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CAD Designer... Chosen. ;)
ETA for completion of Hand-drawings to 3D-Models... TBA.
Hot damn! Will be ordering 500-750 of your NES ones as soon as they're available. My NES manuals are all slipping and sliding around in those awkward UGC cases. They're just dying to be in their own pouch or safely tucked into those clips. :)
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Depending on how much they end up being i may be in the market for about 200 NES cases at a minimum. I would likely be looking into your other cases too :)
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I think I may be of interest in getting about 50 n64 cases, and 50 snes cases, and possibly more depending on the prototypes. Still awaiting the pics everyone's wanting to see.
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kinda new to this casing bussiness, but just wanted to chime in to give my support to this endeavour. will def pass on ugcs in favor of these =)
what's this vague kickstarter talk i'm hearing? if it's meant to excite the casual populace i'm kinda skeptical it'll take off, but maybe something just for crazies like ourselves?
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I'm quite literally waiting for these before I start collecting NES again. I have a template ideas and I know EXACTLY how I want the covers to look :)
Do it to it, Mr. Onion! Can't wait to see protos :D
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sheep2001
I'll be able to give you an eta on the Sega Cases as soon as the 3D Modeling of the second Nintendo Game Case is done.
My CAD guy is still working on the first Nintendo case.
It's basic structure (it can be re-sized, and have the innards changed up, easily and quickly)
will be used as a template for all of my non-handheld Game Cases for video game Cartridges.
I'm going to give him a call tomorrow, and ask for a progress report.
kaysow
Kickstarter and CrowdTilt are websites that help people raise money for projects.
I'm probably going to wind up using CrowdTilt, because Kickstarter won't allow "Pre-Orders".
In other words, Kickstarter wants Fundraisers to give away cheap trinkets to Donators, that are not worth the $ they donated.
I still plan on making some Gold Cases, I'll just set it up so you all can choose how many of the cases you pre-order should be Gold.
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I'll be buying your cases as well.
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While I don't really need any Genesis, NES or SNES cases, I would be VERY VERY interested in some GameBoy/GB Advance game cases when/if you get to doing those.
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Kickstarter and CrowdTilt are websites that help people raise money for projects.
I'm probably going to wind up using CrowdTilt, because Kickstarter won't allow "Pre-Orders".
In other words, Kickstarter wants Fundraisers to give away cheap trinkets to Donators, that are not worth the $ they donated.
I still plan on making some Gold Cases, I'll just set it up so you all can choose how many of the cases you pre-order should be Gold.
Mate, if these cases are even half as good as they sound like they're going to be, you could send a wheelbarrow being pulled by a three-legged donkey with bad breath (because most three-legged donkeys have surprisingly refreshing breath believe it or not) to my doorstep to collect the money and I'd still give it to you. ;D
Must. Have. Cases!!!
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Must. Have. Cases!!!
Yes, this times over 9000! :D
I'm so very excited to see what is going to come out of these cases, finally us classic gamers and collectors are going to have proper storage cases for all our childhood memories ;)
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Sorry for the late reply; it's been a very long Friday.
I can't give an estimate for the Sega Cases just yet, but I can confirm that they are part of this first round of prototyping.
I'll have more info for you guys, about the Sega and Nintendo Cases, sometime after 10:00 am on Monday (USA Central Standard Time).
I recently acquired a Tennokoe Bank Card for the PC Engine.
I think it lets you back-up PCE Game Saves to it (I'm not really sure).
I bought it for two reasons:
~ To get a HuCard with the extra bubble on the bottom.
~ To get the Japanese HuCard Tray Insert.
The idea was to try and squeeze in HuCard Tray prototyping, if I had any $ left over from doing the aforementioned case prototypes.
My Trays will be a bit different than it; but it will be a great visual aid, for my CAD guy.
However, someone else is actively designing a HuCard Tray, and has already reached the 3D-Printed Prototype stage.
You can read his thread about it, at: http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=13611.0
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Well, here we are, a month later, and I don't have any CAD files. Yet. >:(
The latest promise, from the latest batch of local CAD Designers, is Monday, March 18th.
Tomorrow to get quotes on how much it will cost.
Here's how it's been going so far:
Day 1: Meet with multiple CAD Designers, and ask for a timetable, and price quote. Told to leave drawings with them, and they'll get back to me.
Day 3: No E-mail, no call, so I call them. They say they're really busy, but will have a quote for me in Two Days.
Day 6: Still no Quote. Since it's now Saturday, I wait till Monday.
Day 7: Monday comes, I E-mail them, and they say it's too difficult, or they have a last-minute rush order from one of their existing customers. Promise to get me a quote in a few days. I give them another week.
The cycle repeats, but at this point I start meeting with more CAD Designers.
I've got it down to 2 locals.
I'm suppose to hear from them tomorrow.
Just to get a price quote.
If these last two companies turn out to be flakes (or too busy) I'm going to temporarily move in with some relatives in Dallas, and start hitting up the Prototyping companies that are there.
This has been extremely frustrating, but I'm not giving up on getting the Game Cases made.
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Sad to hear of troubles, but way happier that you have not given up.
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Seymor, I don't want to promise any sort of instant result from myself, but I'm more than capable of such an effort. I'm beyond swamped with my own thing right now, but I love and admire what you're doing and would be very much so interested in working out something that could be mutually beneficial with regards to getting CAD files built for the cases. I can think of many things that I could use pre-made cases for, and maybe my investment in time could result in some stuff that I use proprietarily for my own business needs.
I know how hard it is to do what you're doing and I 100% understand that it takes WAY more time than anyone ever expects to get the results you're after. Hang in there.
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Thanks for the update Seymor. I'm so sorry to hear this is giving you so much hassle, but like Arseen I'm happy to hear you haven't given up. :)
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Man..... I wish you had some SNES ones ready. I just ran out of the UGCs. And from your story it looks like its going to be a long wait :'(.
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Honestly? I'm happy with UGC. I keep my manuals in the box to keep them safe anyway, as well as that, I live in Europe, where the shipping cost would be the equivalent of being violently sodomized with a baseball bat with rusty nails...
Not saying I don't like what this fellow is trying to do, just wouldn't make much of a difference to me...
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...Man, I wonder what they're thinking?
"whats this?, the cover project?...blah...blah...blah...UGC's?!
MWAH HA HA HA!
(dollar signs flash before eyes)"
Call me a sucker, but I still ordered a 100. Less then a dollar a case is still within my tolerance. But now I'm sweating over not paying the $3 for extra shipping material. If my cases arrive from California all jacked up I'm going to be a very sad boy.
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^^^ you're prolly gonna be kicking yourself. A lot.
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Seymor, I don't want to promise any sort of instant result from myself, but I'm more than capable of such an effort. I'm beyond swamped with my own thing right now, but I love and admire what you're doing and would be very much so interested in working out something that could be mutually beneficial with regards to getting CAD files built for the cases. I can think of many things that I could use pre-made cases for, and maybe my investment in time could result in some stuff that I use proprietarily for my own business needs.
I know how hard it is to do what you're doing and I 100% understand that it takes WAY more time than anyone ever expects to get the results you're after. Hang in there.
Thanks for offering the CAD services, but I still need to hear from one more company before I make a choice on who to go with.
No matter who I chose, I'm more than happy to make proprietary versions of my Game Cases for you (or anyone else who wants a non-standard internal layout),
but I need to get further along in the R&D for my own Case Designs, before I can start to delve into that.
I can say that the following Handheld Gaming Systems:
GB, GBC, GB Pocket, GBA, GBA SP, DSi XL, and PSP Slims,
will fit in my NES Game Cases, loosely, with little to no *modification required.
Others might fit too; It's just that those are the only ones I own, and have tested, with my NES Game Case designs.
*videogametrader might also make some Foam Inserts for handheld systems.
I'm not sure if he's going to make Foam Inserts only for UGCs, and/or my NES Cases, and/or my blank-cart-side cases.
We probably won't know until I at least pass the Prototype Stage, and can start posting the finalized specs for the Main Line, and Blank-Cart-Side, Game Cases.
I would suggest making the Handheld System Foam Inserts for my blank-cart-side cases, though,
so ya'll could designate cut-out areas for AC Adapters and Link Cables and such,
and won't have to deal with any Cart Walls.
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Woah, I just found out about these. I just started an NES/Famicom collection and swung by here to see if there were any no-mod alternatives to putting NES carts in UGC's...and lo and behold, I find this. This is amazing. Whenever these go on sale, you will receive a hefty order from me, good sir!
Now I'm conflicted on whether I want to replace my UGC'd N64/SNES collection...but I probably will. ;D
EDIT: Also I just cruised around your site and saw your plans for a third-party component GCN cable. Oh my God PLEASE! I've wanted one for so long but the prices just keep going up!
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My first box of UGC from Media Shelving arrived today. Despite not paying the extra $3 they were unmolested and look great. I was half expecting a bundle of cases wrapped in thinly layred clear plastic, but thankfully they were boxed and well protected.
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My first box of UGC from Media Shelving arrived today. Despite not paying the extra $3 they were unmolested and look great. I was half expecting a bundle of cases wrapped in thinly layred clear plastic, but thankfully they were boxed and well protected.
AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME!!!!!
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Seymor, I don't want to promise any sort of instant result from myself, but I'm more than capable of such an effort. I'm beyond swamped with my own thing right now, but I love and admire what you're doing and would be very much so interested in working out something that could be mutually beneficial with regards to getting CAD files built for the cases. I can think of many things that I could use pre-made cases for, and maybe my investment in time could result in some stuff that I use proprietarily for my own business needs.
I know how hard it is to do what you're doing and I 100% understand that it takes WAY more time than anyone ever expects to get the results you're after. Hang in there.
Thanks for offering the CAD services, but I still need to hear from one more company before I make a choice on who to go with.
No matter who I chose, I'm more than happy to make proprietary versions of my Game Cases for you (or anyone else who wants a non-standard internal layout),
but I need to get further along in the R&D for my own Case Designs, before I can start to delve into that.
I can say that the following Handheld Gaming Systems:
GB, GBC, GB Pocket, GBA, GBA SP, DSi XL, and PSP Slims,
will fit in my NES Game Cases, loosely, with little to no *modification required.
Others might fit too; It's just that those are the only ones I own, and have tested, with my NES Game Case designs.
*videogametrader might also make some Foam Inserts for handheld systems.
I'm not sure if he's going to make Foam Inserts only for UGCs, and/or my NES Cases, and/or my blank-cart-side cases.
We probably won't know until I at least pass the Prototype Stage, and can start posting the finalized specs for the Main Line, and Blank-Cart-Side, Game Cases.
I would suggest making the Handheld System Foam Inserts for my blank-cart-side cases, though,
so ya'll could designate cut-out areas for AC Adapters and Link Cables and such,
and won't have to deal with any Cart Walls.
Well just keep me in mind if you end up hitting a wall with the current CAD folk. I've been doing a lot since the 3D printer arrived, so I'm all warmed up ;)
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Takahashi, here is a website to keep an eye on:
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
He also has other cables in the works, but it's going to be a while before he's ready to start selling them.
I plan to partner with him, sometime next year, if he isn't able to mass produce them on his own.
Well just keep me in mind if you end up hitting a wall with the current CAD folk. I've been doing a lot since the 3D printer arrived, so I'm all warmed up ;)
Yesterday, I met with, and picked, the CAD guy to go with for the NES, SNES, SFC and n64 Cases.
I'm going to call this series of Game Cases my Nintendo Main Line.
He's not your average CAD Designer.
This guy is an Engineer with over 30 years experience.
It will take somewhere between 2 weeks, or 2 months, before I can get finalized Nintendo Main Line Game Case Designs from him.
He has other clients he's working with, to design other stuff for them, and I have to wait in line.
First, I need to let you all know that my Nintendo Main Line cases are a little larger than standard UGCs.
In other words, existing UGC Covers will fit in them, but they'll be a bit too small.
As soon as I have finalized the Nintendo Main Line Case's Dimensions, I'll post the new Cover Insert Dimensions here, so whomever is interested can start doing Cover Conversions.
I'll also send out some Finalized Nintendo Main Line Prototype Cases, to a select few Cover Designers here, as well as to some Forum Admins,
so the Cover Designers can make sure the specs I gave were accurate, and so both the Cover Designers, and Admins, can post first-hand impressions/reviews of the Cases themselves.
At this point, I can send Wiggy, and videogametrader, internal case specs for the Blank Cart Side version of the cases,
so that VGT can start working on designing his Foam Inserts,
and Wiggy can let me know what he'd like for his line(s) of Specialty Cases.
Whatever Speciality Cases I make for Wiggy, will only be sold to Wiggy, unless he tells me otherwise, so you all would have to buy his variants from him.
The Sega Main Line Cases can not share the same mold as the Nintendo Main Line Cases.
They are going to be very close in size to Original Sega Game Cases (same Height and Width) but the spine will be a little wider.
It has to be, in order to accommodate the extra thickness of the Sonic & Knuckles Lock-On Cart, and to make sure there is enough room to fit all of the Printed Materials that came with the standard-size Sega Games.
As ya'll know, there were many Sega Games that were over-stuffed with printed materials, making it difficult to keep Sega's Original Plastic Game Cases Closed.
The Sega Main Line Cases will consist of three different cases:
[OGC-GEN-FC] Will support Sega Genesis Standard Size, Sega MegaDrive Standard Size, and Famicom Standard Size carts, without modification.
It is also designed to support the following carts, but several small tabs will need to be cut out:
the Sonic & Knuckles Lock-On Cart, Genesis Game Genie, and the Virtua Racing extra tall cart.
Those three special carts will be securely held in place by the same Cart Holding tabs that are there for the standard carts,
and there are strategically placed Tabs and Walls that will keep them from wiggling or sliding around.
I will have the option, on my website, to pre-mod the cases for yall, for no additional fee, so ya'll don't have to worry about cutting any plastic yourself.
[OGC-32X-EA] Will support 32x Cart-Based Games, as well as the extra-tall carts made by EA and Accolade for the Sega Genesis.
[OGC-SMS-GJC] will support American Sega Master System cart-based games,
as well as those weird Genesis/MegaDrive Games made by CodeMasters (they're often referred to as J-Carts).
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Carts/jcart.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/_Carts/jcart2.jpg)
I put these two cart types together in the same case, because their manuals are the same height.
The Manual Area in this case has 2 extra walls that will prevent the manuals from sliding up and down.
They are full width, to prevent indentations from happening to the sides of the manual.
The Fundraiser for producing the Sega Main Line Cases will be separate from the Nintendo Main Line Cases.
Wiggy, would you like to work on converting my 3 Sega Main Line Case Designs into 3D CAD files, while my local guy is working on the Nintendo Main Line Cases?
If you are too busy, or aren't interested in designing special variants for the Sega Main Line Cases, that's ok, because I can just have my local guy work on these after he finishes working on the Nintendo Main Line Cases. ;)
My Atari Game Cases and Jaguar Cart Shells are on hold.
I've been privately contacted by some members of the Atari Age forums, who are in the process of R&D'ing them, themselves.
I can't give out any details about it at this time, but will let you guys know what's up, as soon as they let me know it's OK to do so.
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I'm mondo super busy, but would love to take a look at it and see what I can do!
Shoot the files on over via my contact page if you want.
http://rosecoloredgaming.wordpress.com/contact/
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I'll also send out some Finalized Nintendo Main Line Prototype Cases, to a select few Cover Designers here, as well as to some Forum Admins,
;D
As there are only 4 of us, my chances are good.
OK back to serious:
Hopefully when these cases are ready we will find some reasonable delivery option to Europe.
Postage for about 2000 cases (NES, SNES & N64) would be bad, so probably some freight company.
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Takahashi, here is a website to keep an eye on:
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
He also has other cables in the works, but it's going to be a while before he's ready to start selling them.
I plan to partner with him, sometime next year, if he isn't able to mass produce them on his own.
The Cube has a secondary port on earlier models for Component video, It does not output it through the standard AV pot.
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Takahashi, here is a website to keep an eye on:
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
He also has other cables in the works, but it's going to be a while before he's ready to start selling them.
I plan to partner with him, sometime next year, if he isn't able to mass produce them on his own.
The Cube has a secondary port on earlier models for Component video, It does not output it through the standard AV pot.
The cable is fore SNES, so I think it somehow converts RGB signal to Component.
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Takahashi, here is a website to keep an eye on:
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
He also has other cables in the works, but it's going to be a while before he's ready to start selling them.
I plan to partner with him, sometime next year, if he isn't able to mass produce them on his own.
The Cube has a secondary port on earlier models for Component video, It does not output it through the standard AV pot.
The cable is fore SNES, so I think it somehow converts RGB signal to Component.
I'm not sure if NTSC SNES's can output RGB, And someone was asking about Gamecube component cables.
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I'm mondo super busy, but would love to take a look at it and see what I can do!
Shoot the files on over via my contact page if you want.
http://rosecoloredgaming.wordpress.com/contact/
Will do, later this evening. ;)
;D
As there are only 4 of us, my chances are good.
OK back to serious:
Hopefully when these cases are ready we will find some reasonable delivery option to Europe.
Postage for about 2000 cases (NES, SNES & N64) would be bad, so probably some freight company.
I'm going to try to integrate Freight Options into the shopcart, for both foreign and domestic Large orders.
If shopcart intergration isn't possible, my sister and I can process them manually. ;)
Takahashi, here is a website to keep an eye on:
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
He also has other cables in the works, but it's going to be a while before he's ready to start selling them.
I plan to partner with him, sometime next year, if he isn't able to mass produce them on his own.
The Cube has a secondary port on earlier models for Component video, It does not output it through the standard AV pot.
The cable is fore SNES, so I think it somehow converts RGB signal to Component.
He includes circuitry within the cable's connector, or in a box that's part of the wiring, that converts RGB to Component.
I don't know if he's also going to make a special cable for the GC's second Port.
If he doesn't want to, then I will. ;)
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Takahashi, here is a website to keep an eye on:
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
He also has other cables in the works, but it's going to be a while before he's ready to start selling them.
I plan to partner with him, sometime next year, if he isn't able to mass produce them on his own.
The Cube has a secondary port on earlier models for Component video, It does not output it through the standard AV pot.
The cable is fore SNES, so I think it somehow converts RGB signal to Component.
I'm not sure if NTSC SNES's can output RGB, And someone was asking about Gamecube component cables.
IIRC, the smaller SNES consoles (mark II?) removed RGB Out from it's standard A/V connector.
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Takahashi, here is a website to keep an eye on:
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
He also has other cables in the works, but it's going to be a while before he's ready to start selling them.
I plan to partner with him, sometime next year, if he isn't able to mass produce them on his own.
The Cube has a secondary port on earlier models for Component video, It does not output it through the standard AV pot.
The cable is fore SNES, so I think it somehow converts RGB signal to Component.
I'm not sure if NTSC SNES's can output RGB, And someone was asking about Gamecube component cables.
IIRC, the smaller SNES consoles (mark II?) removed RGB Out from it's standard A/V connector.
It's still there, just needs a quick bit of soldering to get it to work.
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Takahashi, here is a website to keep an eye on:
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
He also has other cables in the works, but it's going to be a while before he's ready to start selling them.
I plan to partner with him, sometime next year, if he isn't able to mass produce them on his own.
The Cube has a secondary port on earlier models for Component video, It does not output it through the standard AV pot.
The cable is fore SNES, so I think it somehow converts RGB signal to Component.
I'm not sure if NTSC SNES's can output RGB, And someone was asking about Gamecube component cables.
IIRC, the smaller SNES consoles (mark II?) removed RGB Out from it's standard A/V connector.
It's still there, just needs a quick bit of soldering to get it to work.
The old fat model outputs RGB natively
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Takahashi, here is a website to keep an eye on:
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
He also has other cables in the works, but it's going to be a while before he's ready to start selling them.
I plan to partner with him, sometime next year, if he isn't able to mass produce them on his own.
The Cube has a secondary port on earlier models for Component video, It does not output it through the standard AV pot.
The cable is fore SNES, so I think it somehow converts RGB signal to Component.
I'm not sure if NTSC SNES's can output RGB, And someone was asking about Gamecube component cables.
IIRC, the smaller SNES consoles (mark II?) removed RGB Out from it's standard A/V connector.
It's still there, just needs a quick bit of soldering to get it to work.
The old fat model outputs RGB natively
Sure does, overall I prefer the SNES Mini/Jnr though. Smaller footprint and better video quality than the fat models.
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First, I need to let you all know that my Nintendo Main Line cases are a little larger than standard UGCs.
In other words, existing UGC Covers will fit in them, but they'll be a bit too small.
Too bad they won't be a perfect fit. How much is the difference? Is it hard to convert existing covers to the new dimensions?
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Takahashi, here is a website to keep an eye on:
http://www.hdretrovision.com/
He also has other cables in the works, but it's going to be a while before he's ready to start selling them.
I plan to partner with him, sometime next year, if he isn't able to mass produce them on his own.
The Cube has a secondary port on earlier models for Component video, It does not output it through the standard AV pot.
The cable is fore SNES, so I think it somehow converts RGB signal to Component.
I'm not sure if NTSC SNES's can output RGB, And someone was asking about Gamecube component cables.
IIRC, the smaller SNES consoles (mark II?) removed RGB Out from it's standard A/V connector.
It's still there, just needs a quick bit of soldering to get it to work.
The old fat model outputs RGB natively
Sure does, overall I prefer the SNES Mini/Jnr though. Smaller footprint and better video quality than the fat models.
A shame is doesn't have an LED light or the eject button that makes your games fly to china when pushed hard enough
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First, I need to let you all know that my Nintendo Main Line cases are a little larger than standard UGCs.
In other words, existing UGC Covers will fit in them, but they'll be a bit too small.
Too bad they won't be a perfect fit. How much is the difference? Is it hard to convert existing covers to the new dimensions?
It should be easy to convert existing covers to the new sizes.
I haven't pinned down the exact measurements of the new cases just yet, because certain aspects of the case design are dependent one one another, such as:
the two living hinges,
the outer case walls that overlap when the Game Case is closed,
and the case locking mechanism.
In other words, I need to make sure everything lines up properly, and that they overall case is designed in such a way that the plastic can flow through the mold properly.
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A shame is doesn't have an LED light or the eject button that makes your games fly to china when pushed hard enough
That's EASILY resolved ;)
SNES mini S-vid is spectacular! I've seen component SNES phat and I still think S-vid mini is better (though I've never seen proper RGB).
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Hey Seymore - how far off on the Sega cases?
I'm in need of 100 for famicom games, and about 100 for master system. Like...now! lol.
If it's still going to be a year off, i'll have to go with the same multi DVD cases i've had to use for my other stuff for famicom, as they are siitting naked - but if it's realistically going to be soon, i'll hold off.
Also, will the famicom carts fit in the master system cases (as they do in the retail ones)? Or only the Genny case? If master system, i can just order 200 of those at once instead of 2 types.
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Hey Seymor - how far off on the Sega cases?
I'm in need of 100 for famicom games, and about 100 for master system. Like...now! lol.
If it's still going to be a year off, i'll have to go with the same multi DVD cases i've had to use for my other stuff for famicom, as they are siitting naked - but if it's realistically going to be soon, i'll hold off.
Also, will the famicom carts fit in the master system cases (as they do in the retail ones)? Or only the Genny case? If master system, i can just order 200 of those at once instead of 2 types.
Take a look at the two red lines in the bottom left corner of this picture:
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Work_Area/Famicom_10mm.jpg)
If the distance between the two red lines is not greater than 12 mm, then standard-height Famicom Games will fit in the Master System/Codemasters J-Cart Cases.
You'd just have to put em in, label-side down, so the MS Cart Holding Tabs would be more effective.
The cart holding tabs are a little further away from the inside of the case, since MS Carts have squared-off sides.
It shouldn't be a year off, more like a few months, at most, if things go according to plan. ;)
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By what time do you think you will need the art for mock covers?
I am also going to send you a PM regarding things.
Also, YAY, you are using my logo.
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By what time do you think you will need the art for mock covers?
I am also going to send you a PM regarding things.
Also, YAY, you are using my logo.
I can't answer that with a firm date, until sometime next week,
but I'd say we have at least a few weeks more to go, before I can finish the prototype stage.
I figured it was about time I started using that cool Onion-Joystick Avatar,
that ya made for me, since I've starting posting photographs of Chibi Miku. ;D
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Miku_Photos/Miku_Shipping.jpg)
Gonna read the PM now. ;)
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Gonna try and take a look at the Sega main line stuff for ya next week. Wrapped up a ton of console mods this week, so I should finally have a bit of time to do some other stuff. I already have a ton of 3D work to do, so it'll be a good time to take a look at your stuff too :)
That joystick logo is great! Good job, Larry!
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That sounds good to me. 8)
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are these gonna be almost the same dimensions as the UGC's from mediashelving but just with wider spines?
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Well, there's going to be two main lines of cases.
The Nintendo Main Line (excluding 8-bit Famicom) Cases are going to be larger than UGCs by at least one dimension (spine width).
Case Height and Width will either be the same as UGC, or a little larger.
The Sega Main Line (and a-bit Famicom) Cases will have the same Height and Width as a standard Genesis/Mega Drive Game Case.
However, the spine width will be a little bigger.
I'll be able to post the dimensions, as soon as I get past the Prototyping Phase. ;)
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Will artwork printed for UGC's fit the new cases?
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Will artwork printed for UGC's fit the new cases?
Well, there's going to be two main lines of cases.
The Nintendo Main Line (excluding 8-bit Famicom) Cases are going to be larger than UGCs by at least one dimension (spine width). Case Height and Width will either be the same as UGC, or a little larger.
The Sega Main Line (and a-bit Famicom) Cases will have the same Height and Width as a standard Genesis/Mega Drive Game Case.
However, the spine width will be a little bigger.
I'll be able to post the dimensions, as soon as I get past the Prototyping Phase. ;)
But IIRC the difference should not be too big so maybe UGC covers fit as is, or just minimal adjustment.
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Will artwork printed for UGC's fit the new cases?
Yes, but UGC Artwork will be a little too small.
I am trying to get the Nintendo Main Line Cases, as close to UGC Size, as I can.
The Prototyping Phase is still ongoing.
I hope to be able to post a good update within the next few days.
Been trying to set an appointment to meet with my CAD guy this week.
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Will artwork printed for UGC's fit the new cases?
Yes, but UGC Artwork will be a little too small.
I am trying to get the Nintendo Main Line Cases, as close to UGC Size, as I can.
The Prototyping Phase is still ongoing.
I hope to be able to post a good update within the next few days.
Been trying to set an appointment to meet with my CAD guy this week.
If the size is same as Double Wide DVD cases (27.5mm spine) then there is no problem as covers have to be streched 5mm heightwise which is no problem (if not super picky, no streching needed).
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I really hope they turn out similar to UGC's in look and size. If it requires having a new template or printing out my covers agai.. :-\
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I really hope they turn out similar to UGC's in look and size. If it requires having a new template or printing out my covers agai.. :-\
I doubt the size exceeds double Wide DVD cases and like I said those handle UGC sized covers just fine.
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sticking to an old standard when there's room for improvement seems overly conservative, especially with the investment going into this project. then again i don't have any ugcs so i've got nothing to lose.
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If the thousands of ready-to-use covers on this site are incompatible with this "new standard", that is a lot to lose.
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If the thousands of ready-to-use covers on this site are incompatible with this "new standard", that is a lot to lose.
Not very difficult to change the size.
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I dont think its a very big deal. I will just change the size when printing. And who knows your cases might just knock those UGC ones off the map.
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Agreed, re-sizing each one could be a tad annoying but easily doable. Curious to see if onion's cases take off if you will see them all over ebay being re-sold w/ cover art like the current UGCs are... means $$ for him lol
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Agreed, re-sizing each one could be a tad annoying but easily doable. Curious to see if onion's cases take off if you will see them all over ebay being re-sold w/ cover art like the current UGCs are... means $$ for him lol
It'll be easy to find out who it is in that case. The guy buying thousands of cases probably isn't getting them for his personal collection.
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The guy buying thousands of cases probably isn't getting them for his personal collection.
Well I need 1000 NES ones, 500 Famicom, 1000 SNES, few hundreed N64 = Techinically thousands already. ;)
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Arseen, qhats your current total gam ecount? I have a feeling it'll make my almost 3000 look paltry! Biggest on the board?
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I may be on board for around 500 or so assuming all can fit my currently printed cover art no problem
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Arseen, qhats your current total gam ecount? I have a feeling it'll make my almost 3000 look paltry! Biggest on the board?
Actually lost count but not that much bigger. 3500-4000 maybe?
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Im afraid I will soon reach arseens number if I continue on the trend I am. Still a lot of systems I dont collect for as well as those I do I can always go for more complete sets
roughly 1900ish for me last I checked
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If the thousands of ready-to-use covers on this site are incompatible with this "new standard", that is a lot to lose.
Not very difficult to change the size.
I was speaking in regards to a more dramatic (and hypothetical) overhaul of the template. I can resize images just as well as the next guy.
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Kind of giving you a heads up (add to running total) I would need at least 200 of the NES cases, ~50 famicom cases.
I would prefer to use your cases Mr. Onion, assuming you can hit the $1 per case mark. Not trying to be cheap but that's what i can justify in my mind.
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Thanks for the head's ups / running totals.
~Reasons for this last batch of delays~
My current CAD Guy* is really bad with returning calls and e-mails.
Also, his day job is taking up too much of his time.
I haven't heard from him in over a week.
I haven't even received any 3D models from him, yet.
If I don't hear back from him by Friday, I'm going to call the cops, to get my stuff back from him, and I'm going to go with a different CAD Designer.
I have 3 other cad guys on my short list.
I've spoken with all of them, they assure me it will take less than 2 weeks to do the work, and they're more than happy to put it in writing.
*This post is not directed at Wiggy.
His kid arrived early, and he has to spend what little free time he has left working on order fulfillment, as well as some other stuff. If he can't find the time to do the Sega Main Line 3D Modeling, by the time I'm finished with the Nintendo Main Line Cases, I can have the guys that do the N case modeling do the Sega Case Modeling. ;)
Edited to add: The unresponsive CAD guy has a selection of my Nintendo Game Carts and Manuals, so he can reference them while doing the 3D Modeling.
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Nor trying to sound like a bastard here, but whatever you plan to do to get these going I would do it quickly. With the increasing popularity of retro game collecting, you will see more and more products becoming available that will eat into your territory.
The BitCases will just be the first, fortunately they're produced in a cheap fashion so you can still offer a better product.
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Nor trying to sound like a bastard here, but whatever you plan to do to get these going I would do it quickly. With the increasing popularity of retro game collecting, you will see more and more products becoming available that will eat into your territory.
The BitCases will just be the first, fortunately they're produced in a cheap fashion so you can still offer a better product.
Azarkhel just made a major point here. These things need to get out real soon. People here may wait a bit longer for them. A lot of people may not though. Also they may not be up on which case is made better and some just don't educate themselves or research things before they buy. I only have 20-30 games cased myself so far none of which are NES. I have it in my mind to start on those soon. I as well don't mean to sound like a jerk but if your going to go forward with this I would be making it happen something quick.
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Sorry if this has already been asked. Do you plan to make cases for the different systems carts a uniform size or whatever is needed? If you do ones for carts such as Famicom, Atari 2600/7800, Coleco, etc I was thinking they could possibly be smaller.
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I agree with ya'll 100% about getting the cases out ASAP, and am doing everything I can to make it so.
Sorry if this has already been asked. Do you plan to make cases for the different systems carts a uniform size or whatever is needed? If you do ones for carts such as Famicom, Atari 2600/7800, Coleco, etc I was thinking they could possibly be smaller.
Not all of my Game Cases will be the same size.
The first project is for the The Nintendo Main Line Cases
They are going to be larger than UGCs by at least one dimension (spine width).
Case Height and Width will either be the same as UGC, or a little larger.
They'll support NES, SNES, SFC, and n64 Games and n64 Memory Paks.
Also supported will be the SNES Game Genie (gotta mod the Game Genie tho).
Both versions of the n64 GameShark (the one with a serial port, and the one without) will be supported.
The SNES and SFC Super Gameboys will be supported, as well as the Retro Port and Retro Gen carts for SNES/SFC.
After that will be the The Sega Main Line Cases
These cases will have the same Height and Width as a standard Genesis/Mega Drive Game Case.
However, the spine width will be a little bigger.
They'll support USA Master System Carts, Genesis Carts, Mega Drive Carts, 32X Carts, as well as the EA & Accolade Tall Genesis Carts, the huge Genesis Virtua Racing Cart, and those oddly shaped Codemasters J-Carts for Genesis/Megadrive.
The Genesis Game Genie will also be supported.
Cases for other system's games will be a different size/shape than the above.
Atari 2600/7800 & 5200 Game Cases and ColecoVision and IntelliVision Game Cases are on the back burner for now.
There are some other groups who are looking into making cases for them.
They'll post details about them, once they get far enough along in the R&D, to be able to decide whether or not they want to make them, or give me the go ahead to just make them myself.
I, or they, might wind up making two variants for them,
one barely big enough for just the game carts (possibly a clamshell that is similar to the ones early Gameboy Games came in),
and a larger version that includes Full-Size Manual Support.
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sega 1000-3000 games?
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I'm not too familiar with SG-1000 to 3000 Games, but any Card-Based games that can fit in a HuCard (TurboGrafx 16 / PC Engine) Sleeve will fit in my Sega Card Game Case.
That case will get released sometime after the Sega Main Line game cases are made.
I'm going to need to get a hold of SG 1000 to 3000 Game Carts, Cards and Manuals, before I can say whether or not they'll work with any of my existing Game Case Designs.
If a simple modification won't be enough to add support for them, I can make some special cases just for them.
I own one American SegaCard Game & Manual called Ghost House.
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Miku_Photos/Ghost_House.jpg)
I'm going to use it's Game Card and Manual as a refrence, when designing the Sega Card Game Cases.
Any info and tips you'd like to share about cart and manual shape/size variants for Sega 1000-3000 Games would be much appreciated. ;)
I'm always on the lookout for gaming stuff to make cases and/or replacement parts for.
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As i am not home to mesure one for you, i shall see what the lord, google, tells us
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I have a meeting with the CAD guy, scheduled for this afternoon, at 4 pm Central Standard Time.
CST is the [-06:00] timezone, for you GMT guys. ;)
He says the 3D modeling is about 85% complete, for the Nintendo Main Line Cases, and apologized for the lack of communication.
He gave some very good reasons for it, but even so, I'll switch to another CAD guy if he can't commit to getting them finished within a short, but reasonable, time-frame (Days, not Months).
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I can tell you right now Seymor, I've been holding out on printing covers just because I'm waiting for your cases. Mainly I would need the NES/SNES/N64 cases. Would it be possible to get one as a sample when they do finally get released? I've got a couple of hundred UGCs sitting around and I want to make sure these will work for me before buying a ton like I did with the UGCs. If they do, I would be buying at least 300, probably more.
I was speaking in regards to a more dramatic (and hypothetical) overhaul of the template. I can resize images just as well as the next guy.
Well, sure. That would be a huge pain in the ass. Especially when it's so hard just to get a cover uploaded in the first place. The point of my post was more to the face, that there's no point to doing that since we can just resize and it's really not that hard. Perhaps, they could add a category for the Onion cases and we could start uploading those sizes as well. I'm just saying there's no reason to try and do some sort of overhaul on existing covers.
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Before I do the Fundraiser, for Mass Production, I'm gonna send out prototype Cases (that will be dimensionally accurate in every way to the Mass-Produced Cases) to the Admins of this forum, and a number of Cover Artists.
I don't know how many prototype cases I can afford to make, yet, and can't give a yay or nay to your question.
Even if I have to say nay, you could always ask someone who gets a prototype case, to send it to ya, after they're done examining and testing them. ;)
All existing NES, SNES, SFC and n64 UGC Templates, when it comes to the Front And Back, shouldn't need to be re-sized at all.
The only change that might need to be made, is to the Spine; it may need to be widened a bit.
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hello, I'm Starting finally my collection of games, i right now have a NES, N64, Wii and a PS1, i'm planning to buy SNES, Gamecube, PS2, PS3 and Dreamcast. i almost bought the UGC for my games until i saw this topic with the Onion game cases.
So i'm going to wait until the cases are made to buy some, i hope that will be soon
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Well i got nothing for size on sega 1000, other that its the same size as sega mk 3 games and sega master system games in japan.
if you want to put down 5 dollars for a copy i found this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRO-BASEBALL-Penant-Race-Gold-Sega-Mark-III-3-Japan-Video-Game-Cart-only-m3c-/300867165215?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460d149c1f
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Well i got nothing for size on sega 1000, other that its the same size as sega mk 3 games and sega master system games in japan.
if you want to put down 5 dollars for a copy i found this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PRO-BASEBALL-Penant-Race-Gold-Sega-Mark-III-3-Japan-Video-Game-Cart-only-m3c-/300867165215?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item460d149c1f
Thanks for the link; I just bought that sucker! ;D
The meeting with the CAD guy went really well.
After he makes a few modifications to the 3D Model, of the NES Case, it'll be ready for a 3D-Print test.
He says it'll only take him a day or two, to do the revisions, and will work on it over this weekend.
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Woo! I've been following this thread for like a year now and I also want to express my support.
I've held off buying UCGs for quite some time and my collection keeps growing. I've got several hundred to a thousand or so NES, SNES, and Genesis games and can't wait to start casing them but I just can't bring myself to do the modifications that UCGs require. So here's hoping yours will be fine and pretty without all that.
Question though: Have you any plans for Famicom Disk System? I'm thinking about branching out into that soon.
What about newer things? Like DS and GBA games? I can't find cases for those anymore.
Your website says Neo Geo--is that the super large cartridges?
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I don't know how many prototype cases I can afford to make, yet, and can't give a yay or nay to your question. Even if I have to say nay, you could always ask someone who gets a prototype case, to send it to ya, after they're done examining and testing them. ;)
I didn't really want you to send me a prototype case for free. ;)
I was more talking about ordering 1 case, which you can't do with the UGC, to check it out. Will that be a possibility? I'll be interested to see how you incorporated the memory card in there as well as the other features. I hope that N64 case I sent you was helpful.
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@Onion
I sent you a better logo in a PM, did you see it?
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Woo! I've been following this thread for like a year now and I also want to express my support.
I've held off buying UCGs for quite some time and my collection keeps growing. I've got several hundred to a thousand or so NES, SNES, and Genesis games and can't wait to start casing them but I just can't bring myself to do the modifications that UCGs require. So here's hoping yours will be fine and pretty without all that.
Question though: Have you any plans for Famicom Disk System? I'm thinking about branching out into that soon.
What about newer things? Like DS and GBA games? I can't find cases for those anymore.
Your website says Neo Geo--is that the super large cartridges?
My Game Cases will only need to be modified to fit certain non-standard cart shapes, such as some of the Game Genies, GameBoy Players, some of the Action Replays, Virtua Racing for Genesis, and Sonic & Knuckles.
Even so, the mods will be easy, and only require a pinch-and-twist on a few tabs, with a pair of pliers,
or you could use a cutter that kinda looks like fingernail clippers (that I can't seem to remember the name of XD),
or you can just tell me how many to pre-mod (for no additional fee) when placing an order. ;)
Famicom Disk System Cases?
I haven't purchased any of these games yet, but from what I've seen of them online, they'll probably require two cases:
1) A clamshell of some kind for the Disk itself; preferably the same outer dimensions as the original, clear flip-open casing.
2) A UGC/Sega style hard case, with a Clear Outer Jacket for Artwork, that can accommodate both of:
A) The the manuals/printerd materias, and
B) The Famicom Disk Game, in it's new Clamshell (and/or in it's old, clear flip-open casing).
Genesysdtp.com has some 3'rd-Party GBA and DS Game Cases.
http://www.genesysdtp.com/nintendodscasedetails.htm (http://www.genesysdtp.com/nintendodscasedetails.htm)
UPDATE June 4 2013: GBA Games won't fit in the GenesysDTP Case, unless you modify the Case.
For more info, see mbs357's post: http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=10153.msg109279#msg109279
I have plans to make Game Cases for Handheld Games, such as, but not limited to, GB, GBC, and GBA, but it's going to be a while.
I'd like to get the Game Cases made, for Console-Based Games, first.
My Neo Geo Game Cases are on hold, since someone's been making Shock Boxes for MVS (Arcade) Games (http://southtown-homebrew.com/index.php?cPath=170) for a long time.
AES (Home System) Neo Geo Game Carts also fit inside of them, from what I've read.
I didn't really want you to send me a prototype case for free. ;)
I was more talking about ordering 1 case, which you can't do with the UGC, to check it out. Will that be a possibility? I'll be interested to see how you incorporated the memory card in there as well as the other features. I hope that N64 case I sent you was helpful.
Oh, hey, sorry; I didn't recognize your board name.
You're already on the list for receiving Game Case Prototypes. ;)
I am going to have some sampler-packs available (One of each game case type) for sale on my website, after the fundraising.
Ideally, I'd like to just have people enter exactly how many of each Game Case Type they want on the site (and not be forced to buy more than they need), and have the quantity-discounts kick in automatically.
I'm going to start hunting for a website guru, that can help me achieve this (it is doable; I've seen it before on other websites), as well as have him/her embed some scripts in my framesets (to make any missing frames appear, when people go to a page on my site, that's part of a frameset), as soon as I get past the prototyping stage of the Game Cases.
@Onion
I sent you a better logo in a PM, did you see it?
Yup! I've been waiting to hear back from my CAD guy, on some other revisions, before I got into the logo with him. As luck would have it, I received an updated model from him, as I was writing this reply. I'm gonna check it out, and report back. ;)
EDITED TO ADD @ 5:42pm (CST):
I got the Mark III Japanese Sega Game, a few days ago.
I haven't had a chance, yet, to see what Game Case Designs I can work it into.
It seems to be very similar to some Atari 2600 Games, but a bit bigger.
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how famicom disk system,and other floppy disk sizes if you want, could be stored with a clamshell in dvd sized cases mostlikely.
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how famicom disk system, and other floppy disk sizes if you want, could be stored with a clamshell in dvd sized cases mostlikely.
Maybe?
I'm gonna need to research all of the Famicom Disk System Games (later) so I can design cases that they'll all work with, including printed materials.
I have a feeling that not all manual sizes are the same, for all games, and some may have come bundled with other things I need to know about. XD
I can't invest any $ in it right now. I gotta finish the R&D for Nintendo and Sega Main Line cases, first.
EDITED TO ADD:
Sorry for all the edits lately. Ahem. Anyway, I wanted to let you know that Game Cases, for Sega Mark III Games, and Famicom Disk System Games, and proper Famicom Cart Games (of all cart sizes) are on my to do list, and will eventually be made.
Also, I just sent an e-mail to my CAD Guy, after reviewing the latest NES Game Case 3D Render.
Only one thing remains to be done, before the first 3D Print is made; he needs to round-off the Tabs, that hold the Small Manual Tray in place.
The first 3D Print will be for testing the shape and size of the Cart Area, and to make sure the Manuals will fit.
Woulda been at this stage last week, but the Large Manual Clips, and the Case Closing Tabs, took some doing, to get them just right.
The Large Manual Tab Design in this case is gonna be the basis for Manual Clips in other cases; I want to be sure they won't cause any damage to manuals, and that they'll be easily removable for customers who want the Protective Pouch option/upgrade.
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Oh, hey, sorry; I didn't recognize your board name.
You're already on the list for receiving Game Case Prototypes. ;)
I am going to have some sampler-packs available (One of each game case type) for sale on my website, after the fundraising.
Ideally, I'd like to just have people enter exactly how many of each Game Case Type they want on the site (and not be forced to buy more than they need), and have the quantity-discounts kick in automatically.
I'm going to start hunting for a website guru, that can help me achieve this (it is doable; I've seen it before on other websites), as well as have him/her embed some scripts in my framesets (to make any missing frames appear, when people go to a page on my site, that's part of a frameset), as soon as I get past the prototyping stage of the Game Cases.
No way! :D
That's awesome! I can't wait to see one. I didn't even realize you had fund raising going on. Is there just a spot on your website to do that?
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I'm not going to start the fundraiser, until I make it to Step 4 (http://www.seymoronion.com/). ;)
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This and other projects like these need to be done, more competition, more options. Mediashelving's reign of terror must come to an end. In a seriousness though, they could decide to raise the prices even higher if they felt like it.
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I'm not going to start the fundraiser, until I make it to Step 4 (http://www.seymoronion.com/). ;)
So, you'll be sing Kickstarter. Well, this is the first project on Kickstarter I'll be contributing to. I cant wait!
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This and other projects like these need to be done, more competition, more options. Mediashelving's reign of terror must come to an end. In a seriousness though, they could decide to raise the prices even higher if they felt like it.
for example, stone age gamer is creating cases for nes games now. Bigger than UGC's but same proportions,
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This and other projects like these need to be done, more competition, more options. Mediashelving's reign of terror must come to an end. In a seriousness though, they could decide to raise the prices even higher if they felt like it.
for example, stone age gamer is creating cases for nes games now. Bigger than UGC's but same proportions,
We know, There was a thread on it, apparently they are made out of some frail plastic, like some Disney VHS tape cases.
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Quick question: what color will the cases be? Please say black. Black is super classy and those translucent UGCs always make me feel like I've robbed a video rental.
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Quick question: what color will the cases be? Please say black. Black is super classy and those translucent UGCs always make me feel like I've robbed a video rental.
Only if they're matte black like Genesis cases and not glossy.
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I like the clear cases because they can hold inlays.
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Seymor How will the shipping to Europe look when these are completed. Will we need to meet a Minimum quantity for shipping, or can we buy a small amount. I'm not a fan of having 100s of cases sitting around.
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Only if they're matte black like Genesis cases and not glossy.
Matte black is what I meant. I was actually picturing something sort of like a Genesis case, with that 2mm overhang all around. Only without the hang tab.
I like the clear cases because they can hold inlays.
Well, the outer pocket would still be clear, obviously.
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Maybe he can make two options for sale, One clear and other MATTE Black.
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Maybe he can make two options for sale, One clear and other MATTE Black.
IIRC he said that once things are well under way several color options are available.
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Maybe he can make two options for sale, One clear and other MATTE Black.
As long as there's a black option, I'm happy. It'll fit better with the other classic cartridges... by which I mean the Genesis games because they're the only ones that originally came in cases. Like I said, the clear ones make me feel like I stole them from Blockbuster.
IIRC he said that once things are well under way several color options are available.
That would be Awesome. You could do something like make all your NES cases match your Wii cases (which are white). I would only want the black ones, though.
BTW, Seymour, you are my hero for doing this. This is something that needs to exist. Hopefully the NES cases sell well because I only have a few NES games but a TON of N64. Not to get too ahead of myself but which cases are you doing after the NES?
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i prefer the black ones too, it would make them look more classic and like the real box :P
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Hey, thanks for all the replies. Time isn't an issue-it's enough to know that you are taking this all into consideration and making plans.
Famicom Disk games appear to be only around $5 on eBay if you are curious, by the way. Good to hear about the low modification. I never liked the idea of all those ugly extra feelers in the UCGs and the looks of the torn up modified ones.
I'll def check out the DS cases and keep the NeoGeo dealies in mind for when I finally delve into that huge waste of money I mean wonderful home entertainment system.
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Maybe he can make two options for sale, One clear and other MATTE Black.
As long as there's a black option, I'm happy. It'll fit better with the other classic cartridges... by which I mean the Genesis games because they're the only ones that originally came in cases. Like I said, the clear ones make me feel like I stole them from Blockbuster.
IIRC he said that once things are well under way several color options are available.
That would be Awesome. You could do something like make all your NES cases match your Wii cases (which are white). I would only want the black ones, though.
Or maybe if there's diferent colors you can use one for each console (black ones in nes, red in snes, green in n64, blue in saturns, etc). I prefer the black for all, but maybe some one would like these idea. :P ;D with it's versions with the clear ones too
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Quick question: what color will the cases be? Please say black. Black is super classy and those translucent UGCs always make me feel like I've robbed a video rental.
That's kind of a plus in my book. ;D
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Only if they're matte black like Genesis cases and not glossy.
Matte black is what I meant. I was actually picturing something sort of like a Genesis case, with that 2mm overhang all around. Only without the hang tab.
I like the clear cases because they can hold inlays.
Well, the outer pocket would still be clear, obviously.
I'm talking about inlays, not covers. You can't display inlays in a black case. I know that not everyone cares for the inlay; I like them.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?ye5i9z2edtkul#q96ajztfo0vcuue
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Quick question: what color will the cases be? Please say black. Black is super classy and those translucent UGCs always make me feel like I've robbed a video rental.
Only if they're matte black like Genesis cases and not glossy.
The Game Cases won't be glossy/shiny/reflective.
Surface finishes like that tend to scratch easily, and show dust and fingerprints.
They'll have a soft texture, like a Genesis or PS2 Game Case.
Price Quotes (for the First Run) will be based on semi-transparent Clear, semi-transparent with a Color Tint,
and Solid Colors, such as Black, Gold, Blue, Red, Green.
The default Game Case Color will be Black, but I want to make sure that I'll be able to also offer various Color and Transparency options, for anyone who wants to place a special order.
The Default Color for the Small Manual Tray's Door, for the NES Cases, will be Clear.
As with the Game Cases Themselves, I'll also offer custom color options for it, to anyone, that wants/needs a specific NES Small Manual Tray Door color.
I've read about a number of Special/Limited Edition Game Launches, from Homebrewers, that have very ornate/highly detailed cardboard Packaging, and am keeping that in mind.
It is possible to emblazon/empress/brand custom-designed Textures and Logos into the Game Cases,
and the NES Small Manual Tray's Door,
as a post-production step,
and I'm going to look in to offering that as another special-order service, as well.
Custom Colors, Tints, and any Custom Post-Production stuff, like Logos/Patterns, will cost extra.
I'll post pricing info about it, as soon as I find out what it will be.
I'm going to try to offer a large selection of Game Case Color Options, during the Fundraising/Pre-order process, for the First Run.
So far, Black and Clear are going to be the Same Price.
I need to get further along in the R&D of the Game Cases, before I can get costs for the other Color Options.
Speaking of the R&D, I sent off a CAD Design of my NES Game Case, to a Rapid Prototype place, earlier today.
I should have some early Polypropylene Prototypes of the NES Game Case, some time next week.
I'm skipping the 3D Printing stage, as it's actually more expensive than a CNC'ed block of Polypropylene.
I'm only having 3 made, so I can test the Fit for Carts & Manuals, the Tab Designs and Placement,
and make sure the two Living Hinges are sturdy, and preform properly.
The CNC'ed Bricks are made using a different process from what I'll use to make the Polypropylene Game Case Prototypes, that I plan to send off to you guys.
The send-outs will be injection-molded with a short-run, cheap aluminum mold.
I'm aware of Stone Age Gamer's NES Game Cases, but I don't have any of them in hand.
All I can say about them, at this point, is that they look like a nice, a low-cost,
easy to mass-produce, temporary solution,
for his NES Flash Cart's Deluxe Edition(s).
The First Run Fundraiser will have several Quantity Bundles to choose from, and you can specify how many of each case type, and color, you want.
I'm going to have to make a semi-complicated chart, by hand, so you can see how many of what you get, based on pre-order/donation amount, and where ya live. Well, it''ll be *complicated for me to research, but the chart, itself, will be easy for you all to understand. ;)
*I've done some preliminary research on this last year, so on the bright side, I know where to go to get the info I need, and that should speed things up a little. I'm going to need finalized dimensions and weights of the Game Cases, and the different Shipping Cartons, before I can run the numbers for shipping costs. I know that different countries have different Dimensional Weight rules, and I will put that knowledge to good use, to make sure your Shipping Prices are a low as I can get them.
After the Fundraiser, The Minimum Order Requirement (for Black Game Cases) will either be 1, or 5 Game Cases, for both Foriegn and Domestic orders.
The Mold I'm designing First, will make 4 different Game Cases:
NES (Big, USA Type)
Super NES (USA Type)
Super Famicom (Supports Japnaese SFC & European SNES)
Nintendo 64 (Same worldwide; also will support a n64 Memory Card; std height and nearly 2x Height).
Since the n64 Cases are going to be a part of the First Mold, DieKatzchen, you can just get a bunch of these during the Fundraiser. You can also make substitutions for however many of the other 3 types of game cases, ya need. ;D
The Second Mold will support these Game Types:
Master System Carts (USA Cart Type).
Genesis/Mega Drive (All Variants, All Regions, even EA and Codemasters and Sonic & Knuckles & Genesis Game Genie).
32X Game Carts.
I have an idea for another modular-insert-variant, that is compatible with the Second Mold.
It is a Specialty Game Case, the likes of which has never been done before.
I have a feeling that a certain someone else is going to do it, but hey, if the thought never occurs to them, then I'll go ahead and make it.
It's too early to go into further detail, at this time, and I don't want to tip my hand. ;)
Before ya ask, it's not Stone Age Gamer.
The Third Mold is TBA.
Most likely candidate is Mega/Sega CD & Saturn.
It depends on the what will be the highest in Demand, in the future.
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Only if they're matte black like Genesis cases and not glossy.
Matte black is what I meant. I was actually picturing something sort of like a Genesis case, with that 2mm overhang all around. Only without the hang tab.
I like the clear cases because they can hold inlays.
Well, the outer pocket would still be clear, obviously.
I'm talking about inlays, not covers. You can't display inlays in a black case. I know that not everyone cares for the inlay; I like them.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?ye5i9z2edtkul#q96ajztfo0vcuue
Edit to fix: That's really awesome!
Typed that in the wrong place somehow.
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Only if they're matte black like Genesis cases and not glossy.
Matte black is what I meant. I was actually picturing something sort of like a Genesis case, with that 2mm overhang all around. Only without the hang tab.
I like the clear cases because they can hold inlays.
That's really awesome.
Well, the outer pocket would still be clear, obviously.
I'm talking about inlays, not covers. You can't display inlays in a black case. I know that not everyone cares for the inlay; I like them.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?ye5i9z2edtkul#q96ajztfo0vcuue
Those inlays look really cool.
As I said above, Clear will be one of the available options for the fundraiser/pre-order, so you all that want clear cases,
won't have to wait until I can save up enough monies, to build a Warehouse.
I can also do special orders of any opacity, or color, of Game Cases, in-between, or at the same time as I do, additional runs.
Every Injection Molder I've met with, charges a "Setup Fee" of about five hundred dollars,
that is waived if I produce at least several thousand dollars worth of plastic items,
while one of my Master Molds is in their Injection-Molding machine.
However, there are no extra "Setup Fees" (at least, not at the place I'm going to use) for changing colors mid-run, nor is there an extra fee for swapping out the modular sections of the Mold.
If ya want a Clear Cases, or a color other than Black, before I can build a proper Warehouse,
the best (cheapest) time to place an order for them, will be during the Fundraiser, or just before I do additional Runs.
Or, you could get together with other people, to make a large-ish combined order of various Case Types* and Colors, that'll nullify the Setup Fee.
*For this to work, you'd all need to pick from among the cases that can be made with each Master Mold.
For example, you could mix and match from amongst NES, SNES, SFC and n64, since they share the same Master Mold.
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Man I cant wait for these, they sound too good to be true.
However I currently have a handful of SNES games that are in need of cases. So in the mean time if anyone has any extra UGC's they want to unload? Let me know. I dont even mind if their the deformed ones. Just dont want to pay over priced ebay prices, or pay for the case of a hundred.
PM me if you can help.
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Now that I see what an inlay is, I think that's awesome. Now I'm not so sure I want black anymore. I will have to think on it some. Also, being able to do all those systems with just the first mold is amazing news. I can get all my console cartridges taken care of at once. Then I'll just have my GBA games left.
[Edit] Where do you get those inlays? I don't see any of them on this site. Is there a "The Inlay Project?"[/Edit]
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Larryinc64 and some other guys made a bunch of the inlays here: http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=7877.0
All I did was print them out and put them in my cases . There are some really nice inlays that some other members have contributed if you search the thread.
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I haven't been able to make any prototypes, using the Cut-A-Big-Block-of-Polypropylene Method (more on that below) but I do have some 3-D Printed Prototypes of the NES Game Case!
Disclaimer: The actual Injection-Molded NES Game Cases will not look exactly like this.
3D Printers are limited in what they can do, and they have weird texture issues,
and some parts of the Game Case did not print out properly.
The 3D Printer used for this Test wasn't capable of printing the whole case,
so it was printed out in three parts; Left Side, Spine, and Right Side.
The Spine isn't shown in the photos.
Also, some parts/aspects of the Game Case are still being tested and tweaked.
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Work_Area/2013_05_25_1.jpg)
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Work_Area/2013_05_25_2.jpg)
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Work_Area/2013_05_25_3.jpg)
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Work_Area/2013_05_25_4.jpg)
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Work_Area/2013_05_25_5.jpg)
About the Cut-A-Block Place...
They wanted ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS, for ONE, and to use the wrong material (ABS).
They totally ignored the selections I chose on their Quote Request Form, such as the "Polypropylene" material choice, from their own drop-down box.
They also ignored the text I wrote in the "Special Instructions" field.
They have yet to respond to any of my e-Mails, so I have no idea what is going on with them. ???
I have been checking my Spam Folder, daily, and still not a peep.
So, since they weird-ed out on me, I went ahead and had my CAD guy print out some Prototypes, using his 3D Printer.
We're very close to wrapping up the R&D on the NES Case.
He has a few more things to fix/change, over the next few business days.
I'm set to meet with him, sometime next week, and do another Test Print.
Oh, and as I said above, the Texture of the cases shown above will NOT be the actual texture of the Game Cases.
I want to make sure that's clear. (no pun intended) :P
larryinc64, that stuff we talked about in PM's isn't shown in the pictures above,
due to the resolution limitations of the 3D Printer he used.
I am having him make a special something, just for you, though. ;)
I'll pick it up when I meet with him, next week.
Edited to Add: The Lid/Door for the Small Manual Area will be shatterproof.
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I'm very much liking what I'm seeing! You've really thought this through. Can't wait to see more, and how other cartridges fit in their cases! :)
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;D I like it, these is the case that a cartidge needs
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I spent the last 30 minutes inspecting these cases, trying to imagine the finished product, and while I admit there very cool, there's just somethings that bug me.
Since I haven't been keeping up to date, the N64 manual suggests that this is your answer to UGC?
Which is all well and good, until I realise that there's nothing to hold other games in place. I stopped using UGC for my Mega Drive games for the same reason, as foam isn't really a good enough option for me personally.
If these cases are only intended for NES games, is there enough space for dust covers? If so, awesome job dude!
I like it man, it's just not for me. I'm looking forward to see what you have planned for Genesis/Mega Drive cases?
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If I've understood correctly, the outer parts is the master mold and outer look is always same.
But inner bits of the mold can be changed to make cases that hold NES games, SNES games or N64 games (so innerly 3 different cases).
Different master mold for Genesis cases.
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I spent the last 30 minutes inspecting these cases, trying to imagine the finished product, and while I admit there very cool, there's just somethings that bug me.
At the risk of sounding a little snarky, I'd think at some point in those 30 minutes you'd see the text that specifically says "NES Game Case" a few times in the post... Like Arseen said, the outer parts of the case are more or less universal, and the inside will change depending on the system; if you check out his website, there is a prototype listing of what cases will hold what games and the like, and you can see there are a variety of them to securely hold nearly any cartridge you can think of.
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I spent the last 30 minutes inspecting these cases, trying to imagine the finished product, and while I admit there very cool, there's just somethings that bug me.
Since I haven't been keeping up to date, the N64 manual suggests that this is your answer to UGC?
Which is all well and good, until I realise that there's nothing to hold other games in place. I stopped using UGC for my Mega Drive games for the same reason, as foam isn't really a good enough option for me personally.
If these cases are only intended for NES games, is there enough space for dust covers? If so, awesome job dude!
I like it man, it's just not for me. I'm looking forward to see what you have planned for Genesis/Mega Drive cases?
Arseen covered most of your concerns/questions with his post
If I've understood correctly, the outer parts is the master mold and outer look is always same.
But inner bits of the mold can be changed to make cases that hold NES games, SNES games or N64 games (so innerly 3 different cases).
Different master mold for Genesis cases.
As it stands now, my NES Game Case will be not compatible with Dust Covers like this:
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/NES_Dust_Jacket.jpg)
As I progress in the R&D for the NES Case, I check to see if the Dust Cover is compatible, or if any new alterations could make it compatible, without sacrificing the stability and safety of bare carts, and Large and Small Manuals.
So far, I haven't been able to make both work in the same case.
You could leave the Dust Cover in the original Cardboard Box, and buy some Plastic Protectors for your Boxed NES Games from VideoGameBoxProtectors.com (http://www.videogameboxprotectors.com) and store them in a cool, dry, dark place.
You could put your Game Manuals and Carts in my Cases, and have them on some nice Display Shelves in your Game Room. ;D
If the Cover Art in my Game Cases gets sun-faded, it's easy and cheap enough to print more out, and slide it into the Jacket.
As Arseen stated, there will be *separate Game Cases for NES, SNES, SFC, n64,
and the Sega Game Cases will use a different Mold.
*I am strongly considering using a previous design, where One of the Game Cases is compatible with both SNES and SFC Game Carts.
This is mostly because European SNES Games are called Super Nintendo Games, even though they use the SFC Cart Shell, instead of the American SNES Cart Shell.
This confusion may cause a European to accidentally order the wrong Game Case; that would be Very Bad, what with the costs of shipping stuff overseas.
Not everyone can read English, and Google Translate isn't perfect. It can't translate words embedded in photos, and it doesn't always give accurate translations to plain text.
If I do this, then Super Gameboys (and possibly also the RetroGen and RetroPort) would have to be relegated to the Blank Cart Side case.
The Sega Cart Mold will make cases smaller than my Nintendo Game Cases.
My Sega Game Cases will be near-identical in outward design and size to Original Sega Cases.
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My Sega Game Cases will be near-identical in outward design and size to Original Sega Cases.
It's nice to hear that, but I have two questions about your Sega cases:
1) The manual tabs will be the same as the original Sega cases? Because they were not good to begin with. If your manual tabs for Sega games are gonna be like DVD cases, it would be great!
2) They will come with hang tabs? I always found that to be quite annoying. I just wanted to remove them from my game cases. XD
The Manual Tabs in my Sega Cases will be the same as a DVD Case.
Current Sega Case Designs exclude the Hang-Tab.
No Hang Tab makes them easier to Package and Ship, and will be one less thing to stress out over, during R&D. :P
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I spent the last 30 minutes inspecting these cases, trying to imagine the finished product, and while I admit there very cool, there's just somethings that bug me.
At the risk of sounding a little snarky, I'd think at some point in those 30 minutes you'd see the text that specifically says "NES Game Case" a few times in the post... Like Arseen said, the outer parts of the case are more or less universal, and the inside will change depending on the system; if you check out his website, there is a prototype listing of what cases will hold what games and the like, and you can see there are a variety of them to securely hold nearly any cartridge you can think of.
There was no risk. You knew it was going to be a guarantee... Anyway. Moving on...
The Sega Cart Mold will make cases smaller than my Nintendo Game Cases.
My Sega Game Cases will be near-identical in outward design and size to Original Sega Cases.
Sounds awesome man. Let us know as soon as you have a prototype ready for viewing. If there the same size as the retail cases, then you'll have a faithful customer in me! When you can get a picture comparing the two cases send it onto us.
I'm taking to guy at the moment about buying all his sports titles for the cases, he wants 3 euros a pop, and I think that's the best deal I'll be able to find in Ireland. Other places are asking for like 7 euro, but I know this guy, and have been a good customer. I should be able to work something out, but if you have cases in development that are nigh ready, then I might hold off, but if we're talking months, then I go with this guy on this lot, but do keep us updated on the Mega Drive cases! Sounds good!
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Seymours Sega cases will be more than a few months off.
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I was thinking for a temporary solution for storing Genesis games, what case would be best for storing them. N64 games are the closest in size, depending on how the tabs are placed. If it is like the official N64 cases, with tabs on the top, sides and bottom, but not on the curves, they should fit. I would stick with UGC for now, but I would like a place to store my manuals in the cases, with out them loose on the top. It probably would rattle around, but probably would be better tan in UGCs.
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larryinc64, that stuff we talked about in PM's isn't shown in the pictures above,
due to the resolution limitations of the 3D Printer he used.
I am having him make a special something, just for you, though. Wink
I'll pick it up when I meet with him, next week.
Sweet, can't Wait. ;D
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Standard Size Master System, Genesis, and 32X Game Carts will fit in my n64 Case, without modification.
However, they will be a bit loose, and the Cart Holding Tabs are a little bit too far apart to grab those carts.
Genesis and 32X Manuals will also fit in my n64 Case; it won't be perfect, but both Manual Tabs will grab the manual.
Master System Manuals are too short; but you could put them in an envelope, before placing them in the case.
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*I am strongly considering using a previous design, where One of the Game Cases is compatible with both SNES and SFC Game Carts.
This is mostly because European SNES Games are called Super Nintendo Games, even though they use the SFC Cart Shell, instead of the American SNES Cart Shell.
This confusion may cause a European to accidentally order the wrong Game Case; that would be Very Bad, what with the costs of shipping stuff overseas.
Not everyone can read English, and Google Translate isn't perfect. It can't translate words embedded in photos, and it doesn't always give accurate translations to plain text.
If I do this, then Super Gameboys (and possibly also the RetroGen and RetroPort) would have to be relegated to the Blank Cart Side case.
What about calling one "US SNES Case" and the other "EU SNES/SFC Case"?
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Seymours Sega cases will be more than a few months off.
That sucks.
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+1 for excluding the megadrive hangtabs. they only made sense on store racks.
also, i'd say 99% of europeans DO speak english. it's mandatory in elementary school in every country i know of, and apart from the big dub-countries (france, spain, germany & italy) most of us watch tv & movies with subtitles. either way, couldn't you just add an extra image to the page for the NTSC-U/C snes case illustrating that rectangular cart? maybe even cross over a SFC/PAL cart if you wanna be explicit about it. tho i suspect most peopleinto retro gaming would be pretty thorough about their orders.
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+1 for excluding the megadrive hangtabs. they only made sense on store racks.
also, i'd say 99% of europeans DO speak english. it's mandatory in elementary school in every country i know of, and apart from the big dub-countries (france, spain, germany & italy) most of us watch tv & movies with subtitles. either way, couldn't you just add an extra image to the page for the NTSC-U/C snes case illustrating that rectangular cart? maybe even cross over a SFC/PAL cart if you wanna be explicit about it. tho i suspect most peopleinto retro gaming would be pretty thorough about their orders.
And you can always ask before sending big lot of US cases to Europe that is the person ordering sure what they order.
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Thanks for the info about how most Europeans can read English, the stuff about subbed English shows, and the suggestions for labeling and listing the Game Cases.
I didn't know they taught English in most grade schools, over there.
The current setup, on my site, is to show five thumbnails for each product, that are click-able, so you can see larger photos.
At least one of them will show actual carts in actual cases; that should help.
I also have plain-text Region Info in brackets, in the Title Area, of some of the Game Case's Tables, like (USA/CAN/MEX) and (EU/JP).
I need to tweak that a bit.
I like the idea about showing Cart Shapes, and have non-compatible ones circled and a / through it.
I could add a row of small cart-shaped icons to each Game Case's Table, to accomplish that. ;)
I'm a big fan of visual-aid, and love websites where you can tell, at a glance, what products are compatible with what stuff.
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I didn't know they taught English in most grade schools, over there.
Yep English starts at 3rd grade for almost everybody here in Finland, and it's maditory language thruout school soif you go thru the higher education you'll end up studying it for 12+ years.
And thanks to internet there is also incentive to learn it nowadays.
When I was wee lad the level of interest in learning varied strongly, but noways almost everybody here speaks (or at least types) it.
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Our generation that has grown with the internet and all kinds of (subbed) TV shows, movies and games is pretty fluent with english. Not like those silly countries who dub everything.
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Our generation that has grown with the internet and all kinds of (subbed) TV shows, movies and games is pretty fluent with english. Not like those silly countries who dub everything.
Yeah and I still have habbit of keeping the subs on (even though I don''t need them) and my younger siblings prefer to leave them off even after only 2 years of studying = that's the power of internet, especially Youtube.
And even around my nephew who hasn't yet started studying Englis we have to be bit careful in what we talk around him (again thanks to Youtube he has picked quite a big vocabulary).
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I despise dubbed. I spend the entire time staring at the mouths of the people, annoyed that it's not in synch with the voice. Being English, living in dance means that cinema is pretty much not an option for me anymore, as I just will not watch a dubbed film.
What's the latest on the famicom/master system cases Seymour? Would a preorder help?
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Yeah these kids with short attention span... can't read and watch movie at the same ti HEY LOOK A BUTTERFLY!
IK
Dubbing always reminds me of the funny out-of-sync dunbs of kung-fu movies. ;D
Once saw X-files episode where Mulder had deep German voice and it was just so wrong.
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Once saw X-files episode where Mulder had deep German voice and it was just so wrong.
I know what you mean.
I first watched Advent Children with the original Japanese voices with English subtitles. When I watched the official English release, the English voices where just so wrong, the same thing happened with Spirited Away.
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I despise dubbed. I spend the entire time staring at the mouths of the people, annoyed that it's not in synch with the voice. Being English, living in dance means that cinema is pretty much not an option for me anymore, as I just will not watch a dubbed film.
What's the latest on the famicom/master system cases Seymour? Would a preorder help?
I don't have any new info on them to share.
As soon as my CAD guy finishes the renders for the Nintendo Main Line, and they pass all tests,
we're going to do the Sega Cases.
They should go a lot faster, since nearly every aspect of their design would have been proven/tested with the Nintendo Cases.
A lot of the stuff will be re-used for the Sega Cases, such as DVD-Style Manual Tabs, Living Hinges, and the Case-locking mechanism.
It should be rather easy to do the Outer Case Design; it'll be a smaller version of the Nintendo Cases.
Most of the time spent on the Sega Cases would be testing and tweaking the Cart Areas.
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Great to see all the progress! :D
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I personally would prefer a case that both super nintendo and super famicom games will fit in. But It's fine if you don't do that.
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I personally would prefer a case that both super nintendo and super famicom games will fit in. But It's fine if you don't do that.
Well buy US cases then, PAL/JAP carts fit in there and with small piece of foam stay in place.
I prefer separate cases so I don't have to use foam. ;)
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The in In the combo SNES/SFC Game Case Variant...
SFC Carts would be Horizontal (same orientation as NES Carts in the NES Case)
but SNES (USA) Carts would be Vertical (like how Sega oriented their first-party game carts, in their Genesis Game Cases).
This design would save somewhere between several hundred dollars, and about 2,000 dollars.
In the Separate Case for SNES, and Seprate Case for SFC, they'd both be Vertical (like how Sega oriented their first-party game carts, in their Genesis Game Cases).
Anywho, I just got back from another meeting with the CAD Guy.
The NES Case Design is pretty much complete/done.
He's moving on to the SNES/SFC Combo Game Case Variant Design, and the n64 Game Cart (and Memory Card) Combo Case Design.
If the SNES/SFC Combo Case requires widening the overall width of the Game Case, they'll get separate cases,
because I'd like to limit the amount of work that would be involved in resizing cover art, to just the Spine Area. ;)
If you add up all the US NES Games, and all of the worldwide releases of SNES Games, SFC Games, and n64 Games, it's nearly Four Thousand.
When you look at it that way, it would be worth the extra cost of the separate-case modular mold pieces,
if I can't get SNES & SFC Games to fit in the same Case.
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Genesysdtp.com has some 3'rd-Party GBA and DS Game Cases.
http://www.genesysdtp.com/nintendodscasedetails.htm (http://www.genesysdtp.com/nintendodscasedetails.htm)
I have plans to make Game Cases for Handheld Games, such as, but not limited to, GB, GBC, and GBA, but it's going to be a while.
I'd like to get the Game Cases made, for Console-Based Games, first.
I just got a pack of 25 of these cases and they DO NOT hold GBA games!
They're made to hold a DS game and the dust cover that conceals the GBA slot on the DSLite!
Blargh!
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Genesysdtp.com has some 3'rd-Party GBA and DS Game Cases.
http://www.genesysdtp.com/nintendodscasedetails.htm (http://www.genesysdtp.com/nintendodscasedetails.htm)
I have plans to make Game Cases for Handheld Games, such as, but not limited to, GB, GBC, and GBA, but it's going to be a while.
I'd like to get the Game Cases made, for Console-Based Games, first.
I just got a pack of 25 of these cases and they DO NOT hold GBA games!
They're made to hold a DS game and the dust cover that conceals the GBA slot on the DSLite!
Blargh!
Man, that sucks! >:(
I'm sorry I recommended them.
If you PM me your PayPal e-Mail Addy, I'll gift you the thirty dollars (if ya live in the USA) that ya spent on them.
If you paid more than that, let me know in the PM, so I can gift you the correct amount.
Thanks for letting us know; I'm going to stop recommending them for GBA Games.
I went back and edited that post just now, adding a "doesn't support GBA Games without Modding" warning to it, and a link to your post.
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Genesysdtp.com has some 3'rd-Party GBA and DS Game Cases.
http://www.genesysdtp.com/nintendodscasedetails.htm (http://www.genesysdtp.com/nintendodscasedetails.htm)
I have plans to make Game Cases for Handheld Games, such as, but not limited to, GB, GBC, and GBA, but it's going to be a while.
I'd like to get the Game Cases made, for Console-Based Games, first.
I just got a pack of 25 of these cases and they DO NOT hold GBA games!
They're made to hold a DS game and the dust cover that conceals the GBA slot on the DSLite!
Blargh!
I use the genesys cases, but yea, you do have to modify them to take gba games.
I use a pair of flush cutters designed for cutting wire, to cut the top bit of plastic flush with the case. Cuts through like butter.
This is what I use: http://www.amazon.com/Hakko-CHP170-Micro-Cutter-16AWG/dp/B0000WT6FI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370377632&sr=8-1&keywords=hakko+flush+cutter
I suppose small diagonal cutter pliers will do the trick as well.
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I'm definitely not modifying (ie carving up) perfectly fine cases. That's the reason I haven't gone with UCGs because they're just so ugly with all that extra plastic and are useless for NES without modding. Here's hoping Onion cases wont be like that. ;)
Seymor, no need for all that, but thanks.
Maybe I'll collect a few more DS games to warrant having the cases...
Also...as I was sitting here at my desk with this DS case, I happened to notice that my Famicom Disk games and manuals (because, you know, I keep a Famicom and FDS on my desk) will almost fit in the DS cases if it wasn't for the plastic guides being in the wrong places.
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
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These DS cases don't even seem to fit DS games very well. They are rather loose in the slot although they do appear to be staying for now.
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I bought some from somewhere else and the weren't much better. They were black and the plastic was very brittle and cracked when you looked at it.
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I bought some from somewhere else and the weren't much better. They were black and the plastic was very brittle and cracked when you looked at it.
Yes, we used these cases for GBA games currently but i do NOT like them. You can get them on ebay or from Hyperkin for a reasonable amount.
You have to modify them thought in order to actually fit the GBA cart. Yes, and they don't like it when you look at them. :)
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These at least seem sturdy and well made but they are a no go for GBA and seem to only barely hold DS games.
Haven't seen one pop loose but then again I'm not moving them that much.
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I know this is slightly off topic. But i have my foam prototypes in. These will allow portable games to fit nicely in POLY cases. Poly Cases are only a little larger than original GameBoy cases.
The thread is here: http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=12289.0
These should fit Onion cases with little to no modification.
Comments are appreciated.
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Will the NES Game Genie fit in your NES cases?
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I bought some from somewhere else and the weren't much better. They were black and the plastic was very brittle and cracked when you looked at it.
These are far better quality ;)
http://www.genesysdtp.com/index.htm?nintendodscasedetails.htm
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I bought some from somewhere else and the weren't much better. They were black and the plastic was very brittle and cracked when you looked at it.
These are far better quality ;)
http://www.genesysdtp.com/index.htm?nintendodscasedetails.htm
Those were the cases Seymore linked at the end of the previous page. Evidently they dont have the gba slot anymore.
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Will the NES Game Genie fit in your NES cases?
Unfortunately, no, NES Game Genies won't fit in my NES Game Case, as it's about 3/4 of an inch too tall...
Well, if you take the black plastic strap off, it'll fit.
Say, when you connect two NES Game Genies together,
or connect a NES Game Genie to the Top-Loader Adapter,
how does their height compare to a NES Game (not counting strap length)?
Don't toss that plastic strap, though, because later on, when I start making the one-piece, extra tall DVD Style Cases, for Saturn CD Games and Carts, a NES Game Genie will fit in there, with the strap.
I bought some from somewhere else and the weren't much better. They were black and the plastic was very brittle and cracked when you looked at it.
These are far better quality ;)
http://www.genesysdtp.com/index.htm?nintendodscasedetails.htm
Those were the cases Seymor linked at the end of the previous page. Evidently they dont have the gba slot anymore.
There have been reports that the plastic bump in the case has to be cut out, to get GBA Games in em'.
(http://www.seymoronion.com/_Work_Area/genesys_dtp_nds_case.png)
Even then, I'm not sure if the GBA Area has grips on it's sidewalls, or not.
I can't tell from the picture.
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Say, when you connect two NES Game Genies together,
or connect a NES Game Genie to the Top-Loader Adapter,
how does their height compare to a NES Game (not counting strap length)?
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5500/9056789969_8dc9f04397_c.jpg)
Preeeeetty close.
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5548/9056796747_69941b3ca1_c.jpg)
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Thanks, JDavis. You are The Man! 8)
If one were to remove the straps from both, then you can get two NES Game Genies in my NES Case.
The original code book won't fit, but ya'll could always print out some sheets of your favorite codes,
and either include them with your Games, or put them in the case with the Game Genies.
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Assuming ya use the NES Case, and not the Blank-Cart Side case, this is how a single Game Genie would look inside of it:
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/NES_Game_Genie_in_3D_Printed_Prototype_B_6_16_2013.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/NES_Game_Genie_in_3D_Printed_Prototype_A_6_16_2013.jpg)
I only have 1 NES Game Genie on hand, at the moment, and I used a 3D-Printed prototype of the NES Game Case.
As you can see, the strap sticks out by about 2 inches, so it'd need to be removed if ya'll wanted to put 1 or 2 Game Genies in the NES Case.
I don't have a 3D Printed example of the Blank Cart Side, just yet, but as I said in a previous post, on Page 30, the plastic strap is about 1/4 of an inch too long, in that case.
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Even then, I'm not sure if the GBA Area has grips on it's sidewalls, or not.
I can't tell from the picture.
Games fit fine after you cut the top bit, and the sidewalls grip the gba game well.
Here's some pics (the Mother 3 is simply an ezflash 3in1 flashed with Mother 3 with a new label)
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/9057290771_7de673796c_z.jpg)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7442/9059514282_479fe13445_z.jpg)
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Sweet; thanks for posting the Genesys DTP, DS Case Mod, pics.
I <3 Visual Aid. :)
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Any Update for the onion game cases?
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The 3D CAD Modeling is about *99.9% complete, for the following three cases:
NES,
SNES+SFC, and
n64+MemCard Cases.
The 3D-Prints, for the last two cases, did not turn out well, but the computer models, appear to be spot-on.
Here's an early photo, of the first 3D- Print Test:
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/n64_SFC_SNES_First_3D_Print_Test.png)
The 3D Printer used to make these is old, and dying, and each subsequent attempt came out worse.
Some of you got this photo early, before we made the other 3D Printing attempts.
I've been working a **3'rd job, to help raise some funds, to get proper 3D Test Prints made of all three Nintendo Main Line Cases,
*and also to help fund paying a second CAD Guy for a second-opinion of the overall design,
and to make sure the Hinges and Tabs are properly designed, and will be sturdy,
and for new tooling for the GBA Insert Tray production,
and for a potential new line of HuCard Cases.
**My day job is full-time/fixed salary.
My second job is mostly done by my Sister (eBay and seymoronion.com order fulfillment) but I still gotta do the Accounting, answer e-mails, and deal with product development, re-orders/re-stocking, new acquisitions, and some testing/repairs/refurbs.
The third job varies in duties, but most of the clients, lately, need work done outside, and it is summer here, in Southeast Texas.
It gets rather unpleasant, to put it nicely, and takes a lot out of me, but it's worth it. ;)
My first priority is the Nintendo Main Line Cases (NES, SNES+SFC, n64+memcard); all of my $ is going towards them, first, so there may be a gap in availability of the GBA Insert Trays.
However, www.videogameboxprotectors.com should be able to handle the demand, until I can resume production of them.
They had about 600 of them in stock, earlier this month.
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Awesome!
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i need NES cases!!!!!!!! ;D
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Can't wait.
I should probably get started on some more art for you, Luckely my new laptop should come in early next month.
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Looking nice. Love the memory card slot for the n64 cases ;D
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Looking good so far, i will wait for these cases ;D
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Even then, I'm not sure if the GBA Area has grips on it's sidewalls, or not.
I can't tell from the picture.
Games fit fine after you cut the top bit, and the sidewalls grip the gba game well.
Here's some pics (the Mother 3 is simply an ezflash 3in1 flashed with Mother 3 with a new label)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/9057290771_7de673796c_z.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7442/9059514282_479fe13445_z.jpg
Yea I'm not paying money to carve up perfectly good cases. Plus it looks terrible.
Seymour, is that an accurate portrayal of the final SFC/SNES case?
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Even then, I'm not sure if the GBA Area has grips on it's sidewalls, or not.
I can't tell from the picture.
Games fit fine after you cut the top bit, and the sidewalls grip the gba game well.
Here's some pics (the Mother 3 is simply an ezflash 3in1 flashed with Mother 3 with a new label)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/9057290771_7de673796c_z.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7442/9059514282_479fe13445_z.jpg
Yea I'm not paying money to carve up perfectly good cases. Plus it looks terrible.
Seymour, is that an accurate portrayal of the final SFC/SNES case?
Not sure if you just quoted the wrong post or something..... but that's a DS case bud ???
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I think it was 2 different ideas.
Top line referring to the DS case and the SNES question was unrelated.
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Even then, I'm not sure if the GBA Area has grips on it's sidewalls, or not.
I can't tell from the picture.
Games fit fine after you cut the top bit, and the sidewalls grip the gba game well.
Here's some pics (the Mother 3 is simply an ezflash 3in1 flashed with Mother 3 with a new label)
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3779/9057290771_7de673796c_z.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7442/9059514282_479fe13445_z.jpg
Yea I'm not paying money to carve up perfectly good cases. Plus it looks terrible.
Seymour, is that an accurate portrayal of the final SFC/SNES case?
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/n64_SFC_SNES_First_3D_Print_Test.png)
This photo is very close to the actual designs that'll be used for my N64+Memory Card Case, and my NES+SFC Case.
I need to get better 3-D Prints made, and fix any issues that may become apparent with the new prints.
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Really cool Seymour, i'll stick with UGCs for SNES but every other system i'm coming straight to you.
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Those cases are rad!
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Really cool Seymour, i'll stick with UGCs for SNES but every other system i'm coming straight to you.
Cool beans!
Oh hey, that reminds me...I'm fairly sure if I've mentioned this here already, but...
Any of you who plan to sell off your UGCs (after I finish ironing out the details, and the fundraiser starts)
should probably save a couple of pre-modded UGCs, for your Super Gameboy(s),
and that SFC satellite BSX Cart thing.
I say this because I might not have the Blank Cart Side Mold made, during the first run,
to lower the overall $ that needs to be raised during the fundraiser, by 1 to 2 thousand dollars.
I haven't got final pricing on this yet; only estimates, and it might not cost that much $.
Either way, it's a good idea to keep some UGCs around, that have already been modified,
until I can start making a cases that'll support special carts or accessories,
with little to no modification required by the end-users.
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(http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/n64_SFC_SNES_First_3D_Print_Test.png)
This photo is very close to the actual designs that'll be used for my N64+Memory Card Case, and my NES+SFC Case.
I need to get better 3-D Prints made, and fix any issues that may become apparent with the new prints.
I know they're not the final versions, but looking at the N64 one, how are you planning to make the top part that holds the cartridge in place? I mean, the N64 cartridge has a round top, while the prototype has four square corners. I don't know if that would make the cartridge a bit loose. ???
Other than that, everything looks great! :D Although I would prefer the case without the memory card holder, as I said much earlier in this topic, but that's just me. ;D
Oh, sorry; my bad.
Here's a later prototype that'll show the tab for n64 Carts:
(http://www.seymoronion.com/Prototypes/n64_3D_Print_Test_A.png)
You can also clearly see many of the errors of the old 3D Printer.
That center tab prevents the n64 Game Cart from sliding up and down in the case.
If you break it off, a n64 GameShark fits nice and snug in the Cart Area.
That's why there's those raised lines under the cart area, to compensate for the port that sticks out of the back of a n64 Gameshark.
Also, that tab won't be that tall in the final revision.
It only needs to come up the Cart's Side, to the halfway point.
That'll make it easier to grip the Game Cart when ya want to take it outta the case.
People with thick fingers may need to remove the Memory Card, before removing the Game Cart,
if they are using an Extra Tall 3'rd Party Memory Card.
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Any news or new modifications? ;D
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In about an hour, a woman is going to come by, to pick up her Notebook, and give me some $.
Her HDD was damaged in a fall. Luckily, I was able to recover almost all of her data.
I installed a new drive for her; a SSD.
Since she travels a lot, it's likely to get dropped again, and SSDs are more rugged.
I also replaced her single-core CPU with a new dual-core CPU, so she can stream HD Netflix and Youtube vids without screen-tearing.
I recently built a new PC for another client, and am helping her, and her neighbor, with some other general work that needs to be done to their homes, every evening, after I get outta work (the day job). I should be finished with that sometime next week, and get paid. 8)
As soon as I'm done with them, I'm going to put my 3'rd job business cards up, in a common area, at the APT complex again (I have approval to do so) to drum up some more business.
Professional 3-D Prints (made of ABS) are going to cost around $800, on average, to do 1 ea, of all 3 Case Designs (NES, SNES+SFC, n64+MC).
I'm still getting quotes from other places, and trying to get some more reasonable pricing for prototypes made of PE, instead of ABS.
I already have enough reserve $ to order the 3 ABS Prototypes, but am holding off on making a decision, until I hear back from other prospective companies.
The guys over at Seastone have received the TG16 Game I sent them, and are still working on making design changes to their Gift Card Cases, so they can fully support HuCards, Manuals, and Outer Case Artwork.
I haven't received any $ quotes from them, just yet.
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Hate to say it but the SFC/SNES in one cases look pretty terrible. I'd much prefer to buy them separate than have them like that.
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Hate to say it but the SFC/SNES in one cases look pretty terrible. I'd much prefer to buy them separate than have them like that.
Well you can always cut away the extra parts. :D
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Hate to say it but the SFC/SNES in one cases look pretty terrible. I'd much prefer to buy them separate than have them like that.
It's basically the same idea of the UGC, but UGC have them all in one box.
I personally prefer onion cases for now because it can hold the manuals in place and have the Nes configuration without any modification.
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Hate to say it but the SFC/SNES in one cases look pretty terrible. I'd much prefer to buy them separate than have them like that.
Well you can always cut away the extra parts. :D
And that's a good idea :P
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Hate to say it but the SFC/SNES in one cases look pretty terrible. I'd much prefer to buy them separate than have them like that.
I have a running list of everyone who is for, or against, the SNES+SFC Case design.
If any of ya'll haven't posted your opinions on it yet, please do so. ;)
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I don't know if i'm on your list, but if not i'm in favor of all the cases that you are making. so 1+
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Hate to say it but the SFC/SNES in one cases look pretty terrible. I'd much prefer to buy them separate than have them like that.
I have a running list of everyone who is for, or against, the SNES+SFC Case design.
If any of ya'll haven't posted your opinions on it yet, please do so. ;)
I'm fine wirth combo case, and as I'm now Cover Admin (Oversight still showing but that is by choice and convinience) my opinion weights now even more, so combo cases they will be.
END OF DISCUSSION!!!
;D
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Combo for me too. Even though I haven't got any US SNES games (only JAP and PAL), there is always a possibility I'll get some. And, as Arseen said, you can always cut out the extra parts.
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I'm fine wirth combo case, and as I'm now Cover Admin (Oversight still showing but that is by choice and convinience) my opinion weights now even more, so combo cases they will be.
END OF DISCUSSION!!! ;D
I guess now that I'm a Guru, my opinion is valued somewhere in between.
Is there as scale of Noob to Arseen?
I do not mind the combos ether.
Do you have a picture of the SNES cart in it?
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Hate to say it but the SFC/SNES in one cases look pretty terrible. I'd much prefer to buy them separate than have them like that.
I have a running list of everyone who is for, or against, the SNES+SFC Case design.
If any of ya'll haven't posted your opinions on it yet, please do so. ;)
Combo is the way to go!
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I'm fine wirth combo case, and as I'm now Cover Admin (Oversight still showing but that is by choice and convinience) my opinion weights now even more, so combo cases they will be.
END OF DISCUSSION!!! ;D
I guess now that I'm a Guru, my opinion is valued somewhere in between.
Is there as scale of Noob to Arseen?
I do not mind the combos ether.
Do you have a picture of the SNES cart in it?
I think the scale goes from: Normal users in star order ------------------------------------------> Forum Admins -> Cover Gurus -> Oversight -> Cover Admins -> Site Admin -> Seymor Onion ;D
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I have a running list of everyone who is for, or against, the SNES+SFC Case design.
If any of ya'll haven't posted your opinions on it yet, please do so. ;)
Personally, I don't see the complaint. I just doesn't make sense to have the separate. If you're using UGCs right now then I don't see how you can complain about something that trivial.
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I'm new here so my opinion is worth as much as my tenure, but I don't mind the combo cases either.
I would prefer clear or black cases to white, but that has nothing to do with it.
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I'm new here so my opinion is worth as much as my tenure, but I don't mind the combo cases either.
I would prefer clear or black cases to white, but that has nothing to do with it.
Already covered earlier in the thread. He use white cases just so the differences would show up best. The cases will be a matte black with clear and other colors available as options.
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I'm new here so my opinion is worth as much as my tenure, but I don't mind the combo cases either.
I would prefer clear or black cases to white, but that has nothing to do with it.
Already covered earlier in the thread. He use white cases just so the differences would show up best. The cases will be a matte black with clear and other colors available as options.
Ah okay, I thought I'd seen that earlier in the thread but I wasn't sure. Thanks!
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Hate to say it but the SFC/SNES in one cases look pretty terrible. I'd much prefer to buy them separate than have them like that.
I have a running list of everyone who is for, or against, the SNES+SFC Case design.
If any of ya'll haven't posted your opinions on it yet, please do so. ;)
Maybe you can post the results next week or make, to let us know how it goes
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Hate to say it but the SFC/SNES in one cases look pretty terrible. I'd much prefer to buy them separate than have them like that.
Well you can always cut away the extra parts. :D
Been saying over and over in this thread that I am not on the cutting up brand new cases I just paid a ton of money for boat.
I'd rather buy them perfectly fitted to my game or not at all.
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Been saying over and over in this thread that I am not on the cutting up brand new cases I just paid a ton of money for boat.
I'd rather buy them perfectly fitted to my game or not at all.
Fine, then enjoy not having your SNES in cases.
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Been saying over and over in this thread that I am not on the cutting up brand new cases I just paid a ton of money for boat.
I'd rather buy them perfectly fitted to my game or not at all.
Fine, then enjoy not having your SNES in cases.
I'm also not in the group that gets brokenhearted without cases. I'll either have the cases I want or none at all. Not a big deal to me.
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Been saying over and over in this thread that I am not on the cutting up brand new cases I just paid a ton of money for boat.
I'd rather buy them perfectly fitted to my game or not at all.
Fine, then enjoy not having your SNES in cases.
I'm also not in the group that gets brokenhearted without cases. I'll either have the cases I want or none at all. Not a big deal to me.
Then you can buy UG... Ooohh that one has the same thing, so there's no other option.
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Did you not read what I wrote at all? =\
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Did you not read what I wrote at all? =\
Yes, i read it, i just wanted to point you that there is no other option.
If you decide to buy one day one box (Onion cases or UGC) and insert the cover for a one of your game, you will se the diference and i know that you will like them, and you are going to forget how it looks inside. :P
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I know that there are no other options. My point is that I'm not going to settle. I will buy cases designed specifically for what I'm putting in them or none at all. I'm ok with that.
I decided long before Mr. Seymour came along that I would never buy a UGC because they are terrible. If Seymour's cases do not fit my needs then I will not buy them. I have a feeling, however, that at least some of them will.
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my vote is combo slot :)
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I'm also good for the combo cases. SNES and SFC are truly the same format, and there's no need to confuse the Europeans or increase production cost/time by doing two different designs.
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I am perfectly fine with combo cases, I am not that OCD to where I need a specific case for each system. ;D Plus, it would save on production costs.
I am mainly interested in the NES cases, but will most likely purchase cases for N64 and SNES later on.
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Looks like NES and a few other of his cases will be cartridge specific so that's cool.
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Looks like NES and a few other of his cases will be cartridge specific so that's cool.
I think the NES cases can hold both the small manual and the big manual so it too is partially combo case -> YOU'RE SCREWED AGAIN!!!
:P
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combo
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Any news, tomorow start selling the cases? :P just joking
How's going?
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Any news, tomorow start selling the cases? :P just joking
How's going?
Man, it'd be great if I could start sellin' them tomorrow, but alas, I still have to keep workin' hard, to earn the additional fundage.
Speaking of workin', the side job has been going great; I have more than enough work scheduled, than what is needed, to earn enough $,
for the final prototyping of the Nintendo Main Line cases.
I just need to get it all done, so they can pay me. ;)
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Any news, tomorow start selling the cases? :P just joking
How's going?
Man, it'd be great if I could start sellin' them tomorrow, but alas, I still have to keep workin' hard, to earn the additional fundage.
Speaking of workin', the side job has been going great; I have more than enough work scheduled, than what is needed, to earn enough $,
for the final prototyping of the Nintendo Main Line cases.
I just need to get it all done, so they can pay me. ;)
Is there not a possibility of getting a loan so that you can speed up your development process?
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or at least take pre-orders/payment for the first run - the funds can be used to bank roll the startup
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or at least take pre-orders/payment for the first run - the funds can be used to bank roll the startup
I was thinking of that, if he could take pre orders, it was going to be much easier. But he needs to provide the price
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or at least take pre-orders/payment for the first run - the funds can be used to bank roll the startup
I'd definitely take part in this.
I've never managed to take part in any Kickstarter things as I think I need credit card which I don't want.
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The more I think about using a crowd-funding website, to raise funds, such as Kickstarter or Crowd Tilt, the more bothered I become by the Chunk they take out of the funds.
I'm seriously considering taking pre-orders on my website, and skipping the crowd-funding, since PayPal only charges about 3%, and offers 45 days of "Buyer Protection".
I can also accept checks and money orders (without any fees, so long as they don't bounce).
I've got one more shot at borrowing a semi-large sum of money, but I want to wait until after I do pre-orders.
The max I can borrow is not enough to cover the Mold and the first run, but it should be enough to cover any unexpected expenses that might pop up during the mold making and/or manufacturing process. It would also be nice to lean on it a bit, to lower the pre-order $ goal, and/or add to the funds needed if the pre-orders get close to the goal, but don't quite reach it.
Like e_brugal said, before I can start accepting pre-orders, I need to provide the prices for the Game Cases, and the costs for Shipping.
That's were I'm hung up at the moment: Getting firm pricing for the Nintendo Main Line Cases.
This issue will be resolved, as soon as I earn enough $ for the second CAD guy.
I already know I'm going to make more than enough $ for this, with the Third Job, it's just that the work is taking a while, do to some of my customers re-scheduling the work, do to illnesses, or bad weather.
However, I already know how much it's going to cost to do the Second Run of GBA Cardboard Insert Trays: $6,065.75.
That includes shipping to my warehouse, but it doesn't include shipping to customers.
That's too much $ for me to invest in it myself, right now.
They are a very slow seller, and based on past sales, it would take about 3 years to recover my investment in them.
Besides, I need to get the Nintendo Main Line, Sega Main Line, and/or HuCard Cases made, first. ;)
I should receive pricing for several variants of the Hard Plastic HuCard Cases, any day now.
The makers of the Gift Card Case, from another thread, have been working on making new CAD Renderings of my suggested changes/alterations to their Gift Card Case, for a while, now.
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Well, what do you know; I got quotes from the HuCard Case people.
Note: These prices don't include the costs of me shipping them to customers.
For Option 1 (Won't support TG16 Manuals. Has a Deeper Card Area for HuCards):
If I raise $14,400, I'll have to sell each case for $3.08.
If I raise $24,000, I'll have to sell each case for $2.12.
If I raise $39,500 I'll have to sell each case for $1.78.
If I raise $54,000, I'll have to sell each case for $1.64.
If I raise $67,000, I'll have to sell each case for $1.54.
This option has the exact same pricing as unmodified gift card cases.
In order to compete with the $1.08 price-per-case
for people who walk into a Hastings Electronics store,
I'd have to order several hundred thousand cases.
For Option 2 (Supports TG16 Manuals, and Has a Deeper Card Area for HuCards):
If I raise $18,400, I'll have to sell each case for $3.88.
If I raise $33,500, I'll have to sell each case for $2.88.
If I raise $57,500 I'll have to sell each case for $2.50.
If I raise $80,250 I'll have to sell each case for $2.34.
If I raise $97,000, I'll have to sell each case for $2.14.
I need to share these numbers with several TG16/PCE homebrew groups,
and talk about them on several other forums,
before I can decide to peruse it at this time, or not.
Any input, you all have about them, is needed, and most welcome. ;)
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I don't have a TG-16 so I don't have a use for these but those prices all seem so high. The cheapest one is well over $1 per case not counting shipping. Just doesn't seem like a wise investment for you because I don't think people want to pay that much for cases. Maybe I'm wrong though since as I said I don't have a use for these currently and this may be a good price compared to the alternative for HuCards.
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Honestly, I wouldn't waste any $$ on developing something for the TG-16 ... the market is too small compared to the amount of cases you could sell for NES, SNES, N64, Genesis, etc.
The more units you can move the quicker you can recover your R&D costs and you can also lower the price as you can sell more of them.
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I think you should concentrate in Nes, Snes/SF, N64, Those are the most wanted game cases
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Yeah, The other cases that hold:
NES
SNES
N64
Genesis
32X
And others
(N64 cases should hold Genesis and 32X)
Would be a better investment for now. There is a larger demand, Not only do more people own the systems above, they probably own more games for the systems.
There are less alternatives for the systems above, Turbo GFX 16 games already have some cases that fit them, maybe not as well as the cases above, but functional.
If the cases for TG16 would delay the OGCs, I'd put it off.
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Wow! Those would be pretty expensive. Especially with UGCs being under $1. I agree that it would be wise to focus on the more common systems at first. I know I would buy a lot of NES, SNES, N64, and Genesis/32X cases.
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Yes for those prices you might have to supply them with a cover. If you do decide to go down that route, I'd be happy to knock up a new template and do some covers for you. (could have an onion game cases watermark on it to advertise your site)
Agree with above though, think it would make more sense to got with the cases with a bigger market initially. Bearing in mind your uh card sleeves haven't flown off the shelves.
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Any updates on the NES/SNES/N64 cases, Seymor? I've decided not to by UGC and wait for these :)
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The HuCard Game Cases won't be made, until after I can make the Nintendo Main Line, and Sega Main Line, Game Cases.
I don't have any new news on the Nintendo and Sega Game Cases just yet.
However, I'll be getting a nice sum of $ on the 11'th. It's enough to finally reach my $ goal for the last stretch of Nintendo Main Line Game Case Prototyping. ;)
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YES!!!
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YES! is right good job way to go
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Awesome!!! Hopefully things get rolling quick once the money gets in. Thanks for all the time and effort Seymor, and be sure to keep us updated.
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Excellent news ;D waiting for your cases
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:D
That's all I have to say about that! My NES and SNES games are begging for cases. I hope they prices won't be as high for those.
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A VICTORY IS YOU! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stb4LgAdlVg)
Well, soon it will be.
:D :D :D :D :D
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A VICTORY IS YOU! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stb4LgAdlVg)
Well, soon it will be.
:D :D :D :D :D
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lol :P
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not speaking for everyone here, but if the price ends up being higher than ugc's then i think
a) superior quality would make it a non-problem, especially if it's obviously a better storage option, and
b) for international buyers it'd still be way better than getting ugc's from a reseller
either way; better make goddamn sure the cases are up to snuff and start off with something like nes/snes/n64 that's in bigger demand. and if there's any way to get a handful of semi-finalized samples to some trusted "consultants" in this community, they could try them out and stack them together and ensure you it's a top-notch product in comparison to what they're already using. if that was possible i'm sure it'd put everyone's minds at ease.
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In all honesty I've lost interest in both Onion cases and Bit cases. My NES library is about half cased in UGC's so I mind as well finish with them at this point.
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In all honesty I've lost interest in both Onion cases and Bit cases. My NES library is about half cased in UGC's so I mind as well finish with them at this point.
There's nothing wrong with sticking to UGCs. It's just nice to have options, especially from people who are passionate about this sort of thing.
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The HuCard Game Cases won't be made, until after I can make the Nintendo Main Line, and Sega Main Line, Game Cases.
I don't have any new news on the Nintendo and Sega Game Cases just yet.
However, I'll be getting a nice sum of $ on the 11'th. It's enough to finally reach my $ goal for the last stretch of Nintendo Main Line Game Case Prototyping. ;)
I'm gonna assume that you got your dough, which means that much closer to Nintendo and Sega cases ;D
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Thanks for all of your encouragement, guys. 8)
I hit my $ goal one day early (Saturday), and deposited it in the Bank.
;D
I'm sorry I didn't tell you guys sooner; I had all day today off from work, and was playing Tales of Xillia (PS3) with my sister. Am about to catch some Z's. I'm going to start working with the CAD guy in Dallas, starting first thing, Monday morning. ;)
Monday evening (after 4 pm) I have some more 3'rd job *stuff to do, and I may have one or two new clients that need my assistance during the week, but it won't interfere with the Game Cases.
I have enough source materials to send the CAD guy, via eMail, to keep him busy for about a week, before I need to drive up there (from Houston) for a face-to-face.
*I'm helping a client with photographing, packing, and listing, some of her stuff on eBay, that didn't sell during the Garage Sale, last weekend. The other 1 or 2 new clients just need/want some basic training on how to use some apps on their PC (a demystification course).
The extra money, from continuing the 3'rd Job, will be nice to have, just in case I can't afford to do the Prototyping, and sending-out Example Game Cases to the Testers (some of you guys), with the $ we now have.
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So glad to hear that. ;D
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Soon my poor games won't be naked. :D
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(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31500000/My-Body-is-Ready-random-31574400-320-319.png)
I'm just as excited about your cases as I am about the Retron 5. I need to start selling some stuff on eBay so I have cash ready =P
If you (and hyperkin) don't hurry I'll end up blowing it all on repros xP
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Praying this day come soon :P
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i'm more interest in your cases, now that i bought a Snes ;D, so, when you start selling cases i will buy the 3 types of cases (NES, SNES, N64) :P 8) ;D
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@ Seymor: Was on you page and sow that there's a post that you say " I'll have further details/info on Sunday or Monday." any good news?
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@ Seymor: Was on you page and sow that there's a post that you say " I'll have further details/info on Sunday or Monday." any good news?
Yes, please have good news!
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(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31500000/My-Body-is-Ready-random-31574400-320-319.png)
I'm just as excited about your cases as I am about the Retron 5. I need to start selling some stuff on eBay so I have cash ready =P
If you (and hyperkin) don't hurry I'll end up blowing it all on repros xP
BTW. Retron5 should be out later October. That is according to my Hyperkin Sales Rep.
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You know... Repros will also fit in my Game Cases. ;D
Ya'll could weigh the costs of:
A) Repro Game + *Manual + one of my Game Cases, to
B) Repro Game + *Manual + Repro Cardboard Box,
and I bet you a T-Shirt, that option A will be a lot cheaper!
I'm not hatin on the Cardboard Boxes that some Repro places make.
It is very time-consuming work to make em by hand.
And short-runs of them, on Machines, can be rather expensive.
Those who prefer Cardboard Boxes shouldn't worry, as they'll always be people who prefer the look of Cardboard Boxes, so it's unlikely that the release of my Game Cases will stop Repro and Homebrew Game Makers from offering a Cardboard Box as an option.
*Manuals are Optional, and availability depends on whom you get the Repros from.
The Good News was that I hit my $ goal, working the Third Job, Got Paid, and the Checks Cleared. ;)
We've been working with (paying) a nice, professional Injection Molding company up in Dallas, and they have CAD guys on staff, that know their stuff. We've been talking to them one, to two, times a week, and they e-mail us corrections to the CAD models, within a few days after the calls.
Can't give an ETA till the designs are finalized, but it shouldn't be too much longer, before we start asking for addresses, to send prototypes to those of you who will be testers.
We'll make the announcement of that public, but won't post any real names, locations, or addresses of the testers.
We'll just use your Forum Names. For Example: "Arseen".
Since ya'll are also gonna post your opinions, and pictures, or even YouTube Videos (It's up to ya'll what you want to do with the Prototypes) about them, anyway. :)
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Can't give an ETA till the designs are finalized, but it shouldn't be too much longer, before we start asking for addresses, to send prototypes to those of you who will be testers.
We'll make the announcement of that public, but won't post any real names, locations, or addresses of the testers.
We'll just use your Forum Names. For Example: "Arseen".
:D
Can hardly wait.
I've been holding off from buying other cases while waiting these.
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I think quite a few of us are.
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Will any European members be receiving tester units, or is it strictly NA only for the test units.
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Will any European members be receiving tester units, or is it strictly NA only for the test units.
;)
For Example: "Arseen".
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like Arseen i am waiting that you start selling, and decided not to buy cases from others :P, all my games are naked right now lol
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I have most of my collection cased. Sega in OEM genesis cases, N64 & SNES in UGCs.
I'm waiting for the NES and I really hope the handheld line comes relatively soon. I sorely need cases for GB & GG
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Greetings Everyone!
Just joined this forum, really excited to make some custom covers. I'm pumped to get me some onion cases (after reading all your posts) for my NES and SNES games! I don't have the biggest collection of games but what I do have, i'm looking forward to proudly showing off. Just wanted to say "hi" and look forward to the day when my games aren't so....naked... :(
Hoggs
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GO Mr. ONION!! Cant wait till these cases are around!! Really looking forward to being able to case my Super Gameboy 2 without tearing out some tabs (scratches scare me in my sleep), custom quantities and multiple console unique cases :o :o :o
Also im new to TCP and my passion to retro gaming and the service to its preservation this project is about is really awesome, Im not to sure what I can do to contribute (never had a need to photoshop/compile images before) but I wanna give back as I plan to start storing my classic games using covers from here once I get a carton of USG's shortly. Let me know im at your disposal cover masters
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This is awesome news. I'm dying to get my games in cases and I can't wait to get my hands on one of these and check them out.
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I hate to be that guy...but any updates? Sorry if I seem to be nagging, I'm just ready to get my collection cased!
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I hate to be that guy...but any updates? Sorry if I seem to be nagging, I'm just ready to get my collection cased!
I open this topic 5 time to ask the same thing and never did it :P
So you're not the only one
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This stuff takes lots of time. I'm sure he's working as hard and fast as he can.
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I hate to be that guy...but any updates? Sorry if I seem to be nagging, I'm just ready to get my collection cased!
Click on the "more info" section of his website.
The availability of each Case/Product Design is dependent on how fast each Case/Product Design sells.
I've started by making the HuCard Sleeves [OGC-TG16-SLIP].
Once I've sold enough of them to start making the next case design, I will do so. I will also continue to restock the HuCard Sleeves, as
well as all other products and Cases I make, whenever stock gets low.
In other words, he has to make money before making stock. ;)
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I hate to be that guy...but any updates? Sorry if I seem to be nagging, I'm just ready to get my collection cased!
Click on the "more info" section of his website.
The availability of each Case/Product Design is dependent on how fast each Case/Product Design sells.
I've started by making the HuCard Sleeves [OGC-TG16-SLIP].
Once I've sold enough of them to start making the next case design, I will do so. I will also continue to restock the HuCard Sleeves, as
well as all other products and Cases I make, whenever stock gets low.
In other words, he has to make money before making stock. ;)
I know that this is not a work to be done in just a week, it takes time. i just ask to know in what stage is he, if the new cad guy made a new 3D impression or if are new modifications etc. ;) just to know what's new
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By the way, OP or anyone reading, I can offer any help CAD related. I own the software and work with it every day as my job. If you need sketches or plans, etc, I can perhaps draw out something for you. Just drop me a PM. :)
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@Seymor Onion Have you thought about getting on youtube and see if you can get your idea put out there and get it funded that way might help speed up things I'm sure everyone that is interested wouldn't mind chipping in a little to help out pennies add up. Just a thought
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@Seymor Onion Have you thought about getting on youtube and see if you can get your idea put out there and get it funded that way might help speed up things I'm sure everyone that is interested wouldn't mind chipping in a little to help out pennies add up. Just a thought
If I've understood correctly it's not so much the money at the moment (and many users would send in money as soon as asked), but more of time and finding the correct computer designers.
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I am fluent with Microstation (autoCAD clone) and willing to help out with any drawings if needed.
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I check and Seymor Onion has almost a moth with any activity on TCP, so if you want to comunicate with him is better to send him an email or via his web page, maybe a PM will get to him, PM are link to the email
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I check and Seymor Onion has almost a moth with any activity on TCP, so if you want to comunicate with him is better to send him an email or via his web page, maybe a PM will get to him, PM are link to the email
Remember that he can read boards without logging in. ;)
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Ohh right, forgot that :P, well if some one contact him or if hi read this, UPDATES ;D
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That's cool just throwing some ideas out there I bet if we all network together tho we could make it happen:)
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Hey guys. The Game Cases are still in development.
The hangup I'm having isn't money-related. It has to do with getting time with a CAD Designer, that has experience designing products made of Polypropylene. Also, "Living Hinges" add a layer of complexity to the design of injection-molded plastics, so it is doubly important to work with someone who has the proper experience.
I have found such a CAD Designer, and he happens to work for an Injection Molding company up in Dallas, that also offers prototyping services. Unfortunately, for us, their current client base (whom already have injection molds made) get top priority in the queue, and many of them are asking for tweaks to their molds, and/or have ramped up production in anticipation of the Holiday Season.
The company I'm working with is the only one I've found, thus far, in Texas, that has actual, experienced CAD designers on staff, familiar with designing Living Hinges, that wants my business. I have continued to contact other companies in Texas, but they are either also too busy, or turn me down because they don't have the proper CAD guys on staff.
I am still looking around for another company to work with, in the hopes to get this done sooner, but I'm going to them with a different set of Game Case Designs (Master System, Genesis, *Jaguar). At the very least, it would be nice to get some 3D Prints of those case designs made, so I could post them up here, and get feedback on them.
As Arseen said, when it comes time to send out prototypes, it doesn't matter what country you live in. However, you either need to be a Mod on these forums, or have some Game Case Artwork published on TCP. ;) There are also a couple of people on the get-a-prototype-game-case-list, whom are neither, but have helped me out in other ways, such as sending me stuff to use as a physical example.
*The other group that's working on Jaguar Game Cases, is having similar issues as me, trying to get face time with an experienced CAD designer, in their own state. I won't post any pictures of my Jaguar Game Case Prototypes (if I have any made), but will instead work with that other group. They've offered to reimburse me for any costs related to the R&D of the Jaguar Game Cases, so long as they get to be the ones to have them manufactured. At the very least, they'll wind up saving some $ on R&D, if they choose to use my Jaguar Game Case Design, since it's only a minor variation of my Master System & Genesis/Mega Drive Game Case Designs. :P
Marcus_CA, thanks for the offer to help. :) I'll send you a PM within the next 48 Hours.
You all should feel free to contact me via e-mail, or send a PM through these boards, especially when there is a long gap in my visits to TCP and/or I haven't posted anything in a while. Sometimes I don't get notifications via e-mail, when there are posts to my subscribed threads, or my sister gets the notification and forgets to mark it as unread. She doesn't do that on purpose; after all, she is helping out with the Onion Game Case Project, and is an adult, but sometimes accidents happen.
Quite a while back, someone asked on this thread, if I could post some pictures of the SNES+SFC 3D-Printed Prototype, with an American SNES Game Cart in it. After I post this post, I'll take those pics and post em.
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Quite a while back, someone asked on this thread, if I could post some pictures of the SNES+SFC 3D-Printed Prototype, with an American SNES Game Cart in it. After I post this post, I'll take those pics and post em.
Oh.My.God. ;D ;D
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Here are 16 Photos, of the 3D-Print, of the Right-Half, of the SNES+SFC Game Case.
The final design of this Game Case might differ from these photos.
Any Updates or Changes to the design, will be photographed, and posted to this thread. ;)
(http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_01.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_02.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_03.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_04.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_05.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_06.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_07.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_08.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_09.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_10.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_11.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_12.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_13.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_14.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_15.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/SNES_SFC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_16.jpg)
You can orient the SFC Carts either ^ or v.
The SNES Carts can be oriented either < or >.
The Retro Port and Retro Gen (and their accompanying A/V Cables) can fit in this Game Case without modification.
However, the SNES Game Genie (not pictured; it's with the Cad Guy, up in Dallas, at the moment) need some plastic removed from it in order to get it to fit.
SNES and SFC Action replays should fit, if they don't have a cart-port sticking out of it's backside.
Super Gameboys, and the Satellite Cart thing, can fit, but require case modification. You could instead get the "Blank Card Side" version of this case, and add some Foam, to keep them from sliding around.
After I eat lunch, I'll post additional photos of the 3D Printed Prototype for N64+Memory Card case. ;)
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Action Replay has that cart port at the back.
And a switch on the side so the orientation has to same as US cart.
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Like how it looks ;), can't wait to see them :D ;D
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I'm still desperate for the master system/famicom cases. Wish they were further along in the schedule.
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Here are 16 Photos, of the 3D-Print, of the Right-Half, of the N64+MC Game Case.
The final design of this Game Case might differ from these photos.
Any Updates or Changes to the design, will be photographed, and posted to this thread.
(http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/N64_GS_MC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_01.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/N64_GS_MC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_02.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/N64_GS_MC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_03.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/N64_GS_MC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_04.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/N64_GS_MC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_05.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/N64_GS_MC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_06.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/N64_GS_MC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_07.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/N64_GS_MC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_08.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/N64_GS_MC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_09.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/N64_GS_MC_Prototype_Oct_29_2013_Num_10.jpg)
The tab at the Top Center of the n64 Game Cart needs to be removed in order for a Game Shark, or Action Replay, to fit in this Game Case.
There's plenty of room around it, so it should be easy to remove that tab with a cutting tool, or a pinch-then-twist action, with a pair of pliers.
There are risers under the Game Cartridge Area, so that it can support both kinds of Game Shark; the one with a memcard slot, and the one with a parallel port.
The Memory Card Area, above the Cart Area, is designed to support the following 3 Memory Cards:
(http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/n64_Memory_Card_Trio_a.jpg) (http://www.seymoronion.com/prototype_pictures/n64_Memory_Card_Trio_b.jpg)
Other Memory Cards might fit too, but these are currently the only 3 I have to test with.
When you put them in the game case, they'll be Label Side Up, as shown in the "Front View" photo.
Action Replay has that cart port at the back.
And a switch on the side so the orientation has to same as US cart.
Oh, man! I forgot about the switch on the side. Are there any with the side switch, but no rear cart port?
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Simply awesome!
I can't wait for these things. I sold all my UGCs for these. Thanks for the updates man! ;D
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More reason to wait your cases ;D
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More reason to wait your cases ;D
LOL!
Well, after selling 300 UGCs I don't' have much of a choice. :D
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More reason to wait your cases ;D
LOL!
Well, after selling 300 UGCs I don't' have much of a choice. :D
lol :P
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(http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp280/larryinc64/ebe01d64-24ec-4b07-b3a9-a441f63f2fe0_zpsd6422d86.jpg?t=1383101647)
Lookin' Good
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any updates on the project? ???
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Last I heard from him,
"The place we're working with has lots of existing customers, that stepped up production, in anticipation of the holiday buying season. This has caused some delays in the Game Case Project."
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It looks like hes going get some competition with the BitBox cases.
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It looks like hes going get some competition with the BitBox cases.
Yes... but not really... size matters you know among other aspects.
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I'd really like to see these make production but I'll likely just stick with UGCs at this point.
I don't see the bit box as direct competition due to the size aspect mentioned by Arseen.
I could see someone else getting something out that's similar before the onion cases make it.
Not trying to bash Seymor .. I really want these but the wait is just too long.
It's too bad he can't find a reliable CAD vendor.
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Hey Seymor - hope you've had a great holiday, just after an update on these. Specifically, and most importantly for me, the Sega Master System/Famicom cases. My naked games pile is growing almost daily, and i'd love to get them cased up.
They say no news is good news - but i'm thinking no news, is really no news in this 'case'? lol.
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Naked games? GASP! YOU CAN SEE THEIR DIRTY PINS!!!
.... And if you're extra naughty, maybe even a screw hole.
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Naked games? GASP! YOU CAN SEE THEIR DIRTY PINS!!!
.... And if you're extra naughty, maybe even a screw hole.
Lol :P
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Still no updates? I'm on the verge of going with UniKeep poly cases for my Famicom games...........
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I too would like little update.
My games are so disorginozed at the moment, and to organize them I need cases.
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I'm not near to the quantity of games that you guys have but I too want to case them, and this is the only game case that I like, so I too need some updates on this ;D
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Hey, guys. I apologize for my lack of posts lately.
My life got really complicated, really fast, after my last post, and will continue to be so for a few more weeks.
The most major complication was the short notice we got in November, of rent increases.
In our haste to re-remodel the inherited house we had previously converted into a warehouse, back into a house, and move into it before the end of the year (2013), while trying to juggle the Day Job, and the other jobs I do for extra money, and various other issues with some family and friends (that I won't go into great detail about here, for privacy reasons) we all got the flu.
To make matters worse, I kept at the re-remodeling, and took care of my sister and parents while they were sick, and my flu blossomed into pneumonia. Luckily, I was able to make enough changes to the house, and get us all moved into it, before I had to go to the hospital.
We're all better now, have been for about a month, and my sister has been back at filling orders, and answering e-mails that don't need my direct attention. I still have to spend 90% of my free time making other repairs and adjustments to the house.
This is also why I didn't get back to the guy who offered to help me finalize the Game Case Designs. I Haven't had the time. If you are still interested in helping out, I'd really appreciate it if you could send your contact info to seymoronion@gmail.com . My *Nexus 7 Tablet is already set up with that e-mail addy. I take it everywhere with me. I haven't quite figured out all of it's ins and outs yet, but I can read and answer e-mails on it, look up info on the web, and do file transfers via WiFi and bluetooth with my Main PC (where I have my CAD Files, amongst other things).
On the bright side, We'll be able to fully fund the First Run, and the Mold, for the NES Game Case, completely out of our own pockets, by This Fall, at the latest.
Since the weather tomorrow is going to be terribad, I'm gonna have most of the evening, after work, to get caught up on the latest news on the TCP Scene, such as the CustomGameCases.com thread, by Shadowfox.
I skimmed it a little bit, and the pictures for his DS-Case Sized GB/GBC/GBA Game Cases look really nice. :)
I haven't read any of the text yet, but I'm looking forward to doing so.
*The Nexus 7 Tablet was a Christmas gift from my ex-Fiancee; before the falling out.
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Hey seymor, glad to hear you're all better and getting back on track! Sounds like you've had a rough time of it.
If your first run of nes cases isn't until fall, that pushes out your sega/famicom cases to another year or so away? Unfortunately I can't leave my games uncased for that long, looks like I'll have to find an alternative solution. I know I'll probably regret it when your cases eventually come out - and I will likely still need a few for my master system games. Bon chance.
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Hey, guys. I apologize for my lack of posts lately.
My life got really complicated, really fast, after my last post, and will continue to be so for a few more weeks.
The most major complication was the short notice we got in November, of rent increases.
In our haste to re-remodel the inherited house we had previously converted into a warehouse, back into a house, and move into it before the end of the year (2013), while trying to juggle the Day Job, and the other jobs I do for extra money, and various other issues with some family and friends (that I won't go into great detail about here, for privacy reasons) we all got the flu.
To make matters worse, I kept at the re-remodeling, and took care of my sister and parents while they were sick, and my flu blossomed into pneumonia. Luckily, I was able to make enough changes to the house, and get us all moved into it, before I had to go to the hospital.
We're all better now, have been for about a month, and my sister has been back at filling orders, and answering e-mails that don't need my direct attention. I still have to spend 90% of my free time making other repairs and adjustments to the house.
This is also why I didn't get back to the guy who offered to help me finalize the Game Case Designs. I Haven't had the time. If you are still interested in helping out, I'd really appreciate it if you could send your contact info to seymoronion@gmail.com . My *Nexus 7 Tablet is already set up with that e-mail addy. I take it everywhere with me. I haven't quite figured out all of it's ins and outs yet, but I can read and answer e-mails on it, look up info on the web, and do file transfers via WiFi and bluetooth with my Main PC (where I have my CAD Files, amongst other things).
On the bright side, We'll be able to fully fund the First Run, and the Mold, for the NES Game Case, completely out of our own pockets, by This Fall, at the latest.
Since the weather tomorrow is going to be terribad, I'm gonna have most of the evening, after work, to get caught up on the latest news on the TCP Scene, such as the CustomGameCases.com thread, by Shadowfox.
I skimmed it a little bit, and the pictures for his DS-Case Sized GB/GBC/GBA Game Cases look really nice. :)
I haven't read any of the text yet, but I'm looking forward to doing so.
*The Nexus 7 Tablet was a Christmas gift from my ex-Fiancee; before the falling out.
Good to hear you're OK and back on track.
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Hey seymor, glad to hear you're all better and getting back on track! Sounds like you've had a rough time of it.
If your first run of nes cases isn't until fall, that pushes out your sega/famicom cases to another year or so away? Unfortunately I can't leave my games uncased for that long, looks like I'll have to find an alternative solution. I know I'll probably regret it when your cases eventually come out - and I will likely still need a few for my master system games. Bon chance.
I'll wait.. games can stay in the boxes.
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Good to hear from you again, and good too know you are ok. well we'll have to wait then ;D
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Hey, guys. I apologize for my lack of posts lately.
My life got really complicated, really fast, after my last post, and will continue to be so for a few more weeks.
The most major complication was the short notice we got in November, of rent increases.
In our haste to re-remodel the inherited house we had previously converted into a warehouse, back into a house, and move into it before the end of the year (2013), while trying to juggle the Day Job, and the other jobs I do for extra money, and various other issues with some family and friends (that I won't go into great detail about here, for privacy reasons) we all got the flu.
To make matters worse, I kept at the re-remodeling, and took care of my sister and parents while they were sick, and my flu blossomed into pneumonia. Luckily, I was able to make enough changes to the house, and get us all moved into it, before I had to go to the hospital.
We're all better now, have been for about a month, and my sister has been back at filling orders, and answering e-mails that don't need my direct attention. I still have to spend 90% of my free time making other repairs and adjustments to the house.
This is also why I didn't get back to the guy who offered to help me finalize the Game Case Designs. I Haven't had the time. If you are still interested in helping out, I'd really appreciate it if you could send your contact info to seymoronion@gmail.com . My *Nexus 7 Tablet is already set up with that e-mail addy. I take it everywhere with me. I haven't quite figured out all of it's ins and outs yet, but I can read and answer e-mails on it, look up info on the web, and do file transfers via WiFi and bluetooth with my Main PC (where I have my CAD Files, amongst other things).
On the bright side, We'll be able to fully fund the First Run, and the Mold, for the NES Game Case, completely out of our own pockets, by This Fall, at the latest.
Since the weather tomorrow is going to be terribad, I'm gonna have most of the evening, after work, to get caught up on the latest news on the TCP Scene, such as the CustomGameCases.com thread, by Shadowfox.
I skimmed it a little bit, and the pictures for his DS-Case Sized GB/GBC/GBA Game Cases look really nice. :)
I haven't read any of the text yet, but I'm looking forward to doing so.
*The Nexus 7 Tablet was a Christmas gift from my ex-Fiancee; before the falling out.
No need for apology. Life happens and there is nothing you can do about it sometimes other than to keep on keepin' on. It is great that you are back and hopefully those NES cases will be available sooner rather than later.
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Hey seymor, glad to hear you're all better and getting back on track! Sounds like you've had a rough time of it.
If your first run of nes cases isn't until fall, that pushes out your sega/famicom cases to another year or so away? Unfortunately I can't leave my games uncased for that long, looks like I'll have to find an alternative solution. I know I'll probably regret it when your cases eventually come out - and I will likely still need a few for my master system games. Bon chance.
The N64 cases should hold Famicom and Genesis carts just fine.
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Just curious and my apologies if it was mentioned before. Though, will our current cover dimensions fit in these onion cases?
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Just curious and my apologies if it was mentioned before. Though, will our current cover dimensions fit in these onion cases?
Close to a perfect if IIRC, but fronts and backs need to be tad wider.
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Close to a perfect if IIRC, but fronts and backs need to be tad wider.
Darn, I can't afford reprinting everything :c
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Close to a perfect if IIRC, but fronts and backs need to be tad wider.
Darn, I can't afford reprinting everything :c
Same here. I was going to wait for the onion cases but got too anxious and just ordered UGCs from mediashelving
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Just curious and my apologies if it was mentioned before. Though, will our current cover dimensions fit in these onion cases?
Close to a perfect if IIRC, but fronts and backs need to be tad wider.
i thought it was the spine that was wider :-\
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Close to a perfect if IIRC, but fronts and backs need to be tad wider.
Darn, I can't afford reprinting everything :c
Same here. I was going to wait for the onion cases but got too anxious and just ordered UGCs from mediashelving
I think the difference was so little that you really don't need reprinting.
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Hey seymor, glad to hear you're all better and getting back on track! Sounds like you've had a rough time of it.
If your first run of nes cases isn't until fall, that pushes out your sega/famicom cases to another year or so away? Unfortunately I can't leave my games uncased for that long, looks like I'll have to find an alternative solution. I know I'll probably regret it when your cases eventually come out - and I will likely still need a few for my master system games. Bon chance.
The N64 cases should hold Famicom and Genesis carts just fine.
I was hoping for something genesis clam sized for master system and megadrive games, so I'll have to wait for those. Was planning to put famicom in same sized cases.
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Just curious and my apologies if it was mentioned before. Though, will our current cover dimensions fit in these onion cases?
Close to a perfect if IIRC, but fronts and backs need to be tad wider.
i thought it was the spine that was wider :-\
I think it was just the spine.
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HEY!
I've been lurking in this thread almost from the start and held back my gamecase buying to get these babies... is this ever going to happen?
I know you have alot going on in your life itm, but until the cases are gonna be done I will probably play the old games 3D on my Holodeck :P
Just some feedback would be nice.... the horrible Dustmonster is consuming my collection. Oh and i gave up looking on your main page because there hasn't changed a bit for quite a while ^^
Thanks
Buderus
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" Ok, so now on to what you really care about; the NES, SNES+SFC, and n64 Game Cases!
Moving into the House has a wonderful benefit: No More Rent Payments! We're pouring our combined savings into the "Make the Dang
Molds, Already!!" fund. That goal will be achieved in late summer, or early Autumn. That's right; we got far enough along to get accurate
price quotes for the Molds, and know how much to save. In the meantime, I'll be tweaking the Game Case Designs, and making more
prototypes. The R&D Fund is a separate pool of monies. I'll continue to post photos and progress reports, here, on Facebook, and on the
forums at TheCoverProject.net. It may be up to two months before I'm able to post any updates; it depends on how fast I can heal. "
https://www.seymoronion.com/
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Waiting for these is driving me crazy, but rather wait for the Onion Cases then jump unto the UGC train :-\
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Waiting for these is driving me crazy, but rather wait for the Onion Cases then jump unto the UGC train :-\
check this two thread
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=15645.0
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=16821.0
;)
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The talk of Onion Game Cases has been going on since 2011. Not to be negative but I don't see it ever happening. I mean, it has been three years. Thus far, we've actually seen real cases shipped from Shadowfox.
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The talk of Onion Game Cases has been going on since 2011. Not to be negative but I don't see it ever happening. I mean, it has been three years. Thus far, we've actually seen real cases shipped from Shadowfox.
Wow, that's quite a long time ...
Considering how well made the GB Cases from Shadowfox are, I think I'll stick with him.
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Yeah, it's looking like mr onion has missed the boat. Especially as he just goes missing in action, and never updates us here.
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The talk of Onion Game Cases has been going on since 2011. Not to be negative but I don't see it ever happening. I mean, it has been three years. Thus far, we've actually seen real cases shipped from Shadowfox.
And Stone Age Gamer! :)
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The talk of Onion Game Cases has been going on since 2011. Not to be negative but I don't see it ever happening. I mean, it has been three years. Thus far, we've actually seen real cases shipped from Shadowfox.
And Stone Age Gamer! :)
Oma kehu haisee. :P
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Waiting for these is driving me crazy, but rather wait for the Onion Cases then jump unto the UGC train :-\
check this two thread
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=15645.0
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=16821.0
;)
Cheers, I'll buy 200 of those instead ;D
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This would be a much better option to case your games.
This link if for the entire story of the GB/GBC/GBA cases that the same guy made and are for sale now. So, this nes or sega cases are going to be out soon ;D ;)
http://www.thecoverproject.net/forums/index.php?topic=14889.0
So you can see the quality of this cases
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I just saw an update on Seymor Onion's site:
"Unfortunately, we can't make another batch of the GBA Paperboard Insert Trays, until after we get the NES Game Cases manufactured, later this fall."
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He might get in trouble when Shadowfox brings out his cases first.
Same goes for the SNES and N64 cases.
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I don't expect these to ever see the light of day. And even if he does manage to get them done I think that there will be too many cheaper or better alternatives at that point.
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3 years in the making, we all got bored waiting. Unfortunately, You snooze, you lose.
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well after seing and posting for one year on this thread a think this is going to take a more time, you guys have 3 years seing this so...
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this race will win it the first who takes out first those cases
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I think enough time has passed that Shadowfox should go ahead with his case without worrying about treading on someone else's idea. I have no hate for Onion. If he can get his cases out great, but we can only wait for so long.
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People can take what I have to say with a grain of salt since I would be considered a potential competitor.
Let me preface this with saying that I have dealt with Seymour before and from my experience he seems like a great guy. I wish him luck with whatever happens.
However, from a purely business stand point I believe it may be a poor decision to enter. If Shadowfox or someone else makes an NES game case before Seymour you are talking 3 NES games cases + UGC on the market (if Seymour made his as well). 3 of those 4 already have established web sites and channels for distribution. So not only are you late to the game, product-wise, but you are severely behind the 8-ball when it comes to distribution. Competition is good for the consumer for sure, but its not as good for a very small business in a small niche market where there is really very little space for innovation. I mean you can only make a game case so good while keeping the cost reasonable.
There is a reason that before my NES cases there was basically only UGC for years. Its not that everyone else is stupid, I guarantee you other companies have looked into it and found the market not to be worth it. The huge downside to game cases is their profit vs. overhead. Game cases take up a ton of space. Space costs money. Think of it like this. An EverDrive Deluxe takes up the same space as a single game case. I would have to mark-up a single BitBox case about 2000% to make the space vs. profit the same with the cheaper Deluxe Editions. Now this is an extreme example, of course, but companies look at this kind of stuff when determining entering the market on a new product. Even if you held a monopoly on the retro game case industry you only have so much room to up the price. That's because in the end they are just game cases. They are a luxury item for a luxury hobby. That plus the hassle of printing inserts or getting someone to print them they just aren't worth the time and money to most people. Even if your mark-up was 100%, which is a really nice mark-up, your costs are considerably more just because game cases require so much overhead than most other products. So a lot of that profit would be eaten up. There is much more to business than gross sales vs. cost of the product.
My main motivation for BitBoxes was not because I saw an open market, it was because I was tired of dealing with UGC with EverDrives and also tired of waiting for someone else to make them (I was originally waiting for Seymour). To make cases strictly for EverDrives was not very cost effective, but to also sell them to the public made it more palatable.
I am not saying there is no market for game cases, of course there is, but just because there is a market doesn't equal automatic success. I do wish Seymour all the luck in the world and if it is truly a dream of his to make game cases I say go for it, just be smart about it. Don't do it just because you think you have to now. Maybe look into another product or another type of game case. Or start an online retro gaming store with that money that way all your eggs aren't in one basket. These are just my opinions, like I said you can take them as bias, I just thought I would throw out my two cents on the situation.
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Well said SAG. I agree wholeheartedly that if he were to go ahead after shadowfox, it's going to be damn hard for him to cover mold costs, let alone all the other overheads. Whilst yours are a very different design/size, they will certainly have reduced his potential consumer base vs when he first started talking about them. And if shadowfox goes ahead with his, that potential consumer base is going to reduce significantly again, especially as both you and sf already have products on the market that people are happy with. (I have bought seymor's tg16 sheaths, and love them, but a game case is a very different product).
Perhaps continuing with his tg16 product range would be a smarter move, or an alternative cd sized case without swappable hinges. That could be sold to audio collectors as well as game collectors - much larger market .
It's a shame he stopped posting here really, as although we are only a small community, there are a fair few bulk users on these boards, and they are going to go for the cases that are available first.
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Wow, this was an interesting read!
Anyone know what else happened? Looking at Seymor's site, www.seymoronion.com, it seems like he did get some cases on the market...?! Last update February 17 2017:
All New Orders are being temporarially suspended. In other words, I've removed the pages that let you place an order, and have taken down my eBay Listings.
I have a Huge Backlog of orders, that are being filled ASAP. I don't know how long it's going to take, and it wouldn't be right to continue accepting new orders, until I finish dealing with all of the pre-existing orders.
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Wow, this was an interesting read!
Anyone know what else happened? Looking at Seymor's site, www.seymoronion.com, it seems like he did get some cases on the market...?! Last update February 17 2017:
All New Orders are being temporarially suspended. In other words, I've removed the pages that let you place an order, and have taken down my eBay Listings.
I have a Huge Backlog of orders, that are being filled ASAP. I don't know how long it's going to take, and it wouldn't be right to continue accepting new orders, until I finish dealing with all of the pre-existing orders.
Well, I mean, you can use the WayBackMachine to find snapshots of the site before 2/2017. The cases he 'had' for sale were not.. really... cases... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://web.archive.org/web/20161105122215/http://www.seymoronion.com/
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Nothing happened, buy CGC instead. His are solid and available.